Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Vixen said:
No he was not. It was a note he wrote in his diary, knowing the police were bound to read it.

He did not have access to Lalli's autopsy report, so must have known first hand.
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No. It's got nothing to do with the autopsy or prior knowledge. Here's the proof:

Here are the diary entries that refer:

November 16th

"I saw on TV yesterday evening that the knife that I had at home (the one from the kitchen) has traces of Meredith and Amanda.."

November 18th

"They are keeping me in jail because of the kitchen knife that has a DNA trace belonging to Meredith. It seems like a horror movie... Thinking back and remembering, I remembered that that night father sent me a goodnight SMS message to be indiscreet [indiscreto, sic] (knowing that I was with Amanda), then, the following day, Amanda kept on telling me that if she had not been with me, she would be dead now [a quest’ora]. Thinking and reconstructing, I think that she always remained with me; the only thing I do not remember exactly is if she went out for a few minutes in the early evening.

I am convinced that she could not have killed Meredith and then come back home. The fact that there is Meredithʹs DNA on the kitchen knife is because on one occasion, while we were cooking together, I, while moving around at home [and] handling the knife, pricked her hand, and I apologized at once but she was not hurt [lei non si era fatta niente]. So the only real explanation for that kitchen knife is this one."

As you can see, Raffaele is trying to make sense of what he believes, at this point, to be a fact - the existence of Kercher's DNA on the knife. He is wrong of course, because he hasn't taken into account that the only time he was cooking near Kercher was at her flat, using a different knife. He is speculating like this because he knows that neither he nor Amanda could have killed Kercher, because they were together at his place.

Got it now?
 
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Vixen said:
Left his uni post? Now freelance. Need a defence? Call Dr Gill. He's available to write you a report. Two satisfied clients.
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He's Professor of Forensic Genetics at Oslo University isn't he?

Your attitude to Dr Gill, one of the founders of the science you are not qualified to comment on but still do, is hilarious.

It's like telling Novak Djokovic he's hitting his forehand all wrong.
 
Kauffer said:
No. It's got nothing to do with the autopsy or prior knowledge. Here's the proof:

Here are the diary entries that refer:

November 16th

"I saw on TV yesterday evening that the knife that I had at home (the one from the kitchen) has traces of Meredith and Amanda.."

November 18th

"They are keeping me in jail because of the kitchen knife that has a DNA trace belonging to Meredith. It seems like a horror movie... Thinking back and remembering, I remembered that that night father sent me a goodnight SMS message to be indiscreet [indiscreto, sic] (knowing that I was with Amanda), then, the following day, Amanda kept on telling me that if she had not been with me, she would be dead now [a quest’ora]. Thinking and reconstructing, I think that she always remained with me; the only thing I do not remember exactly is if she went out for a few minutes in the early evening.

I am convinced that she could not have killed Meredith and then come back home. The fact that there is Meredithʹs DNA on the kitchen knife is because on one occasion, while we were cooking together, I, while moving around at home [and] handling the knife, pricked her hand, and I apologized at once but she was not hurt [lei non si era fatta niente]. So the only real explanation for that kitchen knife is this one."

As you can see, Raffaele is trying to make sense of what he believes, at this point, to be a fact - the existence of Kercher's DNA on the knife. He is wrong of course, because he hasn't taken into account that the only time he was cooking near Kercher was at her flat, using a different knife.

Got it now?
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So there we have it a self serving explanation for actual injuries found on Mez' body by Lalli.
 
Kauffer said:
He's Professor of Forensic Genetics at Oslo University isn't he?

Your attitude to Dr Gill, one of the founders of the science you are not qualified to comment on but still do, is hilarious.

It's like telling Novak Djokovic he's hitting his forehand all wrong.
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I read somewhere he's now freelance.

Dr Gill didn't see any of the evidence. He is a disgrace to his profession.
 
Vixen said:
Mignini did apologise that not all witnesses would qualify for the Nobel prize.
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Timely reminder of exactly what Mignini said:

"We don't choose our witnesses, if I could choose, I would maybe choose a Nobel Prize winner, but in all likelihood, a Nobel Prize winner wouldn't be as good a witness as Curatolo"

:)
 
Vixen said:
A Rome scientific lab for a start.

No sign of last-minute pop-up Dr "I'm available for functions" Gill.
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Do you have any idea what the witness from the Rome lab testified to? Did you know that tech testified that if a test was NOT repeatable that they would ignore those results?
 
Vixen said:
I read somewhere he's now freelance.

Dr Gill didn't see any of the evidence. He is a disgrace to his profession.
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Dr. Gill, the father of DNA forensics is a disgrace to his profession? Do you have any idea how dumb you sound when you post that kind of nonsense?
 
Vixen said:
The autopsy report IIRC states there were 147 injuries on Mez' body, 3 deep stab wounds in neck, 23 nicks and slashes, bruises and shoulder displacement from her arms wrenched backwards rendering loss of use in one arm.
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I see your 147 injuries and raise you: I heard her limbs were removed and eaten.....while she was alive.
 
Vixen said:
The autopsy report IIRC states there were 147 injuries on Mez' body, 3 deep stab wounds in neck, 23 nicks and slashes, bruises and shoulder displacement from her arms wrenched backwards rendering loss of use in one arm.
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You remember wrongly. No one has ever printed those words you've just typed. Why do you do this?
 
Vixen said:
Mignini did apologise that not all witnesses would qualify for the Nobel prize.
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That's embarrassing, as we can see having a high IQ doesn't equate to having good sense.

You omitted to mention Curatolo correctly revealed he saw the forensic team entering the cottage next morning in white suits when he looked over.
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You seem to be having a problem common to others here. The ICSI was there the next morning it is true but it is also true that was a well known fact. Most likely he was able to see pictures of them in his paper. What he couldn't see in the coverage was that disco buses weren't running. He thought that would be a nice touch to add but got it wrong because he was making it up.

You see that is a little like Giobbi making up the story of ordering them both in for concurrent interviews. You see he knew they had had concurrent interviews and that when they were able to get the false statement about Patrick so Giobbi took credit for breaking the case. Now Giobbi is a little smarter and less altered than Curatolo so he didn't make up disco buses.

Buses were not completely cancelled. So Cutatolo confudged Halloween partying buses. You say its OK for Raff to claim he and Amanda were at a party that night.
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Confudged? The disco buses were canceled and it wasn't a matter of minor confusion.

I don't think it was okay for Raf to be a space cowboy. I have said many a time that his behavior did engender reasonable suspicion partly because he did mix up days and dates. But Raf wasn't testifying and not against another.

But if you wish to believe him (Curatolo) then he saw the kids from 9:27 until nearly midnight and left no time for them to be involved in the murder.
 
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Grinder said:
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You see that is a little like Giobbi making up the story of ordering them both in for concurrent interviews. You see he knew they had had concurrent interviews and that when they were able to get the false statement about Patrick so Giobbi took credit for breaking the case. Now Giobbi is a little smarter and less altered than Curatolo so he didn't make up disco buses.

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Have you considered the possibility that Giobbi was a secret FOA agent and said that he had ordered the parallel interrogations to help Amanda and Raffaele should their cases come before the ECHR?
 
Kauffer said:
No. It's got nothing to do with the autopsy or prior knowledge. Here's the proof:

Here are the diary entries that refer:

November 16th

"I saw on TV yesterday evening that the knife that I had at home (the one from the kitchen) has traces of Meredith and Amanda.."

November 18th

"They are keeping me in jail because of the kitchen knife that has a DNA trace belonging to Meredith. It seems like a horror movie... Thinking back and remembering, I remembered that that night father sent me a goodnight SMS message to be indiscreet [indiscreto, sic] (knowing that I was with Amanda), then, the following day, Amanda kept on telling me that if she had not been with me, she would be dead now [a quest’ora]. Thinking and reconstructing, I think that she always remained with me; the only thing I do not remember exactly is if she went out for a few minutes in the early evening.

I am convinced that she could not have killed Meredith and then come back home. The fact that there is Meredithʹs DNA on the kitchen knife is because on one occasion, while we were cooking together, I, while moving around at home [and] handling the knife, pricked her hand, and I apologized at once but she was not hurt [lei non si era fatta niente]. So the only real explanation for that kitchen knife is this one."

As you can see, Raffaele is trying to make sense of what he believes, at this point, to be a fact - the existence of Kercher's DNA on the knife. He is wrong of course, because he hasn't taken into account that the only time he was cooking near Kercher was at her flat, using a different knife. He is speculating like this because he knows that neither he nor Amanda could have killed Kercher, because they were together at his place.

Got it now?
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Translations are tricky. Is the 'her' here Kercher or Knox? It would be possible for secondary transfer to occur of Kercher's DNA from Knox to the kniife.
 
Vixen said:
Raff wrote, "When cooking with Mez I accidentally pricked the back of Mez' hand with my knife".
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Were there any knife injuries on the back of Kercher's hand?
If there weren't does this suggest Sollecito's innocence because he was ignorant of the location of Kercher's injuries?
 
Vixen said:
There are two possible reasons for this: First, like Knox's swab the Meredith material isn't derived from blood and instead is a piece of tissue which TMB wouldn't detect. The second is that, returning to the LCN nature of the material, the amount of blood is simply below the sensitivity threshold of the test. http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Double_DNA_Knife

Does this answer your question?
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Can you explain why there is far (at least 100 fold) more Knox's DNA on the knife than Kercher's? Blood being a rich source of DNA one would expect a knife used in a stabbing to have the victim's blood on the knife and handle. Hence one would expect copious DNA of the victim.
 
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