Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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No you didn't answer my question. Are there other cases where the knife used to murder someone had the DNA of the victim but tested negative for blood. Btw, Steffi saw the striation by turning the knife Goldilocks like until the light was just right. You are aware that the material that was turned into MK's DNA weighed 1/500,000 of a grain of salt. In addition to example(s) of similar finding could you also show that the lab was certified for LCN DNA - Steffi too?

Curatolo was disallowed by Hellmann because he wasn't credible. He had the night wrong - no disco buses and he had told the police he had seen nothing. Being a daily heroin user reduces memory and vision so if that's what you referring to as ad hominem then not so much or really not at all. Oh and having been the witness of choice looks suspicious don't ya think?

Are you aware that Massei changed the times he saw the kids to 9:27 to 11:30 based on disco buses that weren't running? See he said just before midnight with mathematical certainty but they needed an earlier time so Massei changed his testimony.

You will find the following interesting coming from the mouth of one of your and Nencini's star witnesses.

A question, do you know the tramp in Piazza Griamana?… There’s a tramp who hangs about Piazza Grimana near the kiosk
Guede: I have to say with all honesty I’ve seen more than one in Piazza Grimana
Pros. Mignini: One that has a hat a bit… long beard… Guede: I’ve often noticed the kiosk, the bench, I’ve often seen a tramp yes… Pros. Mignini: Right, that evening did you see him? Guede: NoPros. Mignini: Another thing, that evening were there…, did you see the buses for the discotheques?
Guede: Well in the previous evenings I saw them
Pros. Mignini: Right which bus… what color?
Guede: But we’re not speaking of that evening?
Pros. Mignini: No
Guede: I saw white buses…
Pros. Mignini: So the evening, when did you see them, the evening of 31?
Guede: No but also previous evenings
Pros. Mignini: Also previous evenings
Guede: Also on previous evenings I saw various buses that, if I’m not wrong, were going to the various discotheques in Perugia
Pros. Mignini: Understood
Napoleoni: And did you see any buses on the evening of 31?
Guede: Of the 31st?
Pros. Mignini: Of the 31st
Guede: I wouldn’t be able to say, it could be yes and it could be no…
Pros. Mignini: Ok, let’s go on then…
Napoleoni: And the evening of the 1st … Guede: On the evening of the 1st I didn’t see any buses and so in fact Meredith and I heard that there were some people up above that were talking and I don’t know…
 
Mr Fied said:
Apart from the starch.

Can anyone prove Meredith's DNA was ever on the knife?

Was the murder weapon ever found? (The knife that matches the wounds)
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Vixen said:
Both are established facts. As well you know.
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The established facts are no one can ever prove if Meredith's DNA was on that knife, and the knife that matches the wounds has never been found, or admitted to have being found.
 
Vixen said:
Precedent and case law. CPP Art 628 para 2. Penal code.
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You are just repeating what you've heard.

If you wish to assert that cassation had already made final decisions about the case prior to the Nencini appeal, then you have to cite those decisions made by the Court. But in fact, the only point that cassation had decided - and it was made in another case - was that Kercher was killed by more than one person.

Read Chieffi. It might help you
 
Vixen said:
Mez pricked numerous times by the point of a knife.
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No - Raffaele was responding to being told that Kercher's DNA had shown up on the knife. It had nothing to do with anything else. Just that.
 
MDDVS said:
I sent a letter to Rudy Guede in prison and he sent me a long reply confessing he did it on his own and describing details that only the real murderer would know. I'm going to post this letter, written by his own hand very soon.
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I got one, too. Rudi also sent me an autographed basketball. He asked me to sell it on eBay with half the proceeds to go to Mignini in appreciation for the help Mignini provided to Rudi. :p
 
Kauffer said:
No - Raffaele was responding to being told that Kercher's DNA had shown up on the knife. It had nothing to do with anything else. Just that.
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No he was not. It was a note he wrote in his diary, knowing the police were bound to read it.

He did not have access to Lalli's autopsy report, so must have known first hand.
 
Vixen said:
No he was not. It was a note he wrote in his diary, knowing the police were bound to read it.

He did not have access to Lalli's autopsy report, so must have known first hand.
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Know what?

Everybody knew Meredith was stabbed with a knife.
 
MDDVS said:
Where does he say "numerous times" like you claimed?
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The autopsy report IIRC states there were 147 injuries on Mez' body, 3 deep stab wounds in neck, 23 nicks and slashes, bruises and shoulder displacement from her arms wrenched backwards rendering loss of use in one arm.
 
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Vixen said:
The autopsy report IIRC states there were 147 injuries on Mez' body, 3 deepcstb woundd in neck, 23 nicks and slashes, bruises and shoulder displacement from her arms wrenched backwards rendering loss of use in one arm.
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Where did Raffaelle say that she was pricked "numerous times"?
 
Antony said:
Wrong. Conti and Vecchiotti's report was still valid evidence in the Nencini trial, and shows that the victim's DNA could not be reliably proved to be on the blade. Not only that, but the Rome lab that made the additional test for the Nencini trial explicitly stated that it could not be concluded that the victim's DNA was on the blade on the basis of Stefanoni's uncorroborated single test result.

Not only that, but even if Stefanoni's result was genuine, how does a speck of the victim's DNA prove this is the murder weapon?

Not only that, but even if it was the murder weapon, how does Amanda's DNA on the handle prove that she was the killer?

You (and Nencini) have to overcome 3 levels of proof here - you do not achieve even one level. This (among other nonsense) I think will be central in the Marasca motivation report in quashing the Nencini verdict.
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Disagree.

Massei and Nencini accepted all the above evidence as proven.

Your saying otherwise does not make it so.
 
Vixen said:
The autopsy report IIRC states there were 147 injuries on Mez' body, 3 deep stab wounds in neck, 23 nicks and slashes, bruises and shoulder displacement from her arms wrenched backwards rendering loss of use in one arm.
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With all of these injuries I would think that there would be proof of who committed them. i.e. DNA on or in the victim. Footprints/shoeprints or fingerprints in the blood of the victim, or blood/DNA from the victim on the perp(s).

Was there any DNA left on or in Meredith?

Were there any footprints/shoeprints or fingerprints left in the victims blood, that have been proven?
 
Vixen said:
Disagree.

Massei and Nencini accepted all the above evidence as proven.

Your saying otherwise does not make it so.
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Why would a judge take someones word on evidence if it couldn't be proven?

No wonder both of their judgements were overturned.
 
Vixen said:
Lalli said that. Raff said he p r i c k e d the back of Mez' hand knowing her DNA would likely be found on his knife, as he did indeed p r i c k Mez hands, chin and neck quite a few times on the night of the murder.
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Which would be a bit hard as he wasn't there.

Where is the proof he was there at the time of the murder?
 
Vixen said:
Lalli said that. Raff said he p r i c k e d the back of Mez' hand knowing her DNA would likely be found on his knife, as he did indeed p r i c k Mez hands, chin and neck quite a few times on the night of the murder.
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No, when I asked you what was the special knowledge you claimed Raffaelle and Amanda had about the murder you replied:
Vixen said:
Mez pricked numerous times by the point of a knife.
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I'm asking you, where did he say Meredith was "pricked numerous times".
 
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