Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Amanda was always quick to "drop people in it" IMV. She told police unprompted Laura and Filomena smoked pot, claimed Patrick murdered and raped Mez and volunteered Raff had a past history of "extensive drug use: cocaine and acid", and that "he suffered mental illness via depression".

Amanda to Mignini Mez' body was "covered in vaseline". In her email home, she informs +25 people police asked her whether Mez mentioned "anal sex". In the same email to +25 people Amanda confirms police had asked her to maintain confidentiality.

Maybe Mez did once ask for one of Amanda's condoms. Amanda telling all who will listen about this (one?) incident seems to me a self-serving attempt to depict Mez as some kind of a hypocrite for daring to object to Amanda bringing a string of strange men to the cottage. Rudy claimed Mez called Amanda, "a drugged up tart".

Of course, Amanda is free to be as promiscuous as she likes. However, it can be fairly argued she put her roommates - especially home-alone Mez - in a vulnerable position.

You think Amanda's coerced statements to the police were "unprompted"? Not on this planet.

Guede is your source for what Kercher said about Amanda? That's reliable! According to Guede, Kercher had a date that night with him. What exactly is the problem with Amanda inviting friends to her home? They weren't strange to her and nobody complained. How were her roommates made vulnerable? And why do you describe Kercher as "home-alone"? This is a wilful misrepresentation - as if strangers simply showed up at the apartment at Amanda's behest and Kercher never went out. Fantasy.

One of your greatest problems is a skewed perspective - another is that you make stuff up. Amanda privately revealing that Kercher borrowed condoms from her is not 'telling all who would listen". You only know about it because Amanda's communications were made public. And it can hardly be payback for Kercher objecting to her bringing friends to the apartment, because Kercher did not object. There is no evidence for it.
 
I did not state whether I believed or disbelieved it. It is a mundane objective statement of fact that this is what Rudy claimed in his various statements to the police and prosecutors.

You would do well to try and follow better Guede's self serving contradictory statements about Amanda and Raffaele.
 
Now I know,
from reading over a thousand of Vixen's posts here on The ISF,
that she truly believes the early newspaper reports of this horrible rape and murder we discuss.

So Vixen,
what do you make of this paragraph from a story in an Italian newspaper dated Nov. 7, 2007?

COLPO INFERTO DA UN UOMO - C'è di più. La profondità della ferita sul collo della vittima - sempre da quanto trapelato - porterebbe a escludere che ad uccidere la studentessa inglese sia stata Amanda Knox. Sarebbe dunque Lumumba Diya il principale sospettato dell'omicidio. Gli inquirenti avrebbero inoltre in mano elementi che confermerebbero la presenza nell'abitazione di Amanda al momento dell'omicidio e si attendono i risultati delle analisi scientifiche - ancora in corso in queste ore - per "collocare" la ragazza, che negli interrogatori ha negato di aver assistito alla scena, dicendo di aver sentito delle grida da un'altra stanza.

What's it say?:
Here's from Google translation:
Blow FROM A MAN - There's more. The depth of the wound on the neck of the victim - always from what leaked - would lead to exclude that killing the British student was Amanda Knox. It would therefore Lumumba Diya the main suspect in the murder. Investigators would also holding elements which would confirm the presence in the home of Amanda at the time of the murder and is awaiting the results of scientific analysis - still in progress at this time - to "sell" the girl, that interrogators denied having witnessed the scene, he said he heard screams from another room.

Link:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/07_novembre_07/delitto_perugia_lumumba.shtml

Blow FROM A MAN?

SDL Translation also calls it this:
BLOW BY A MAN - there is more to it. The depth of the injury on the neck of the victim - always leaked - would lead to exclude that to kill the student english has been Amanda Knox.


Odd how PM Mignini
(as quoted in this Time magazine article dated Nov. 30, 2009,
written by none other than Nina Burleigh,
turned it into Amanda Knox taking a knife and saying this):
In final arguments, Perugia's public prosecutor Giuliano Mignini said the American slit her roommate's throat on the night of Nov. 1, 2007, driven by sexual desire and alpha-female competitiveness. Asking for a life sentence with nine months' isolation, Mignini said "La Knox" wanted a sex "game" and used her feminine wiles to manipulate two besotted young men — one of whom is already convicted, the other on trial with her — into restraining Kercher while she plunged a kitchen knife into her neck.

"Probably she would have insulted Meredith," Mignini said, reconstructing the event with representatives of the U.S. embassy seated silently a few feet behind the defense table. "And she probably said, 'You are always behaving like a little saint. Now we will show you, and now we will make you have sex!'"

Link:
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1943553,00.html


But,
but, but Vixen,
I thought early Italian newspaper reports said it was a BLOW BY A MAN?

* * *

Now on another topic,
most believe that those were not African hairs found in Meredith's bedroom, right?

But at the time,
before forensic results came in on these hairs or fibers,
as some believe that they are,
well the police probably believed them to hair strands from a black male.

It's not hard to believe that the cops
were looking for a black male at the time of Amanda's arrest,
but when real evidence results came in, just substituted 1 black man for another,
right?

Thanks Randy, great stuff.

As for the hairs, its the hair (S)? on the windowsill in Filomena's room that I'm most intrigued by. I think we've seen a photo of that before.

Weird how Stef lost the hairs, and couldn't get a DNA result on the blood, which Carla Vec criticized in court, IIRC.
 
Vixen sounds like she is completely enamored with the idea of this fast and loose girl the TJMK and PMF have fed her. Most of this nonsense she is reciting sounds as though the research was done at the corner newspaper stand there in the UK.

The thought is never acknowledged how little recourse Amanda had over what was being said about her. The Italians were free to make her the villain they needed her to be to make their case plausible, and they did a fine job.

Just look at Vixen. After almost a decade she finds herself riveted by the notion of a woman so completely devoid of her humanity that she must speak out. It's rather sad someone needs this kind of distraction in their life. Or that it should come at the expense of her own humanity.

I really think many folks have misread Vixen's posts here, as being indicative of what Vixen actually believes. I think Vixen would be just as happy posting for innocence on the hate sites, under a different handle of course, if they allowed opposing views.
 
I did not state whether I believed or disbelieved it. It is a mundane objective statement of fact that this is what Rudy claimed in his various statements to the police and prosecutors.

Would you please reveal what you do believe then?

After your 1,000+ posts here, I think its fair to ask.

Do you believe Rudy's version? That he was there on a date and let in by Meredith, and had consensual relations?

It would be helpful to understanding your views if you could provide a timeline you believe to be accurate, as to when and where Amanda and Raf were that night, and when you believe the assault occurred and who participated. (Given that a witness saw them at Raf's apt at 840pm, and most here think the crime occurred shortly after 9pm and Meredith could not have been alive after roughly 10pm.)

Rather than hiding behind generalities and obscurantism, why not just lay your cards on the table? Put forward a concrete hypothesis that can actually be tested, and lets have a real discussion, eh?

Considering your great number of posts, I think its a reasonable request.
 
"America also defeated Italy in WWII, but we also defeated Germany and Japan in WWII, but I don’t sense the same anti-American hostility from those other former Axis powers today?"

Resentment against the US is continent wide. In the current issue of Der Spiegel there is an article that claims "The German-American friendship no longer exists."

Hi,

I read the article, but it only relates to the lost friendship between Germany's leaders with Obama (hey, get in line) and not the German people with Americans, as the article's opening sentence makes clear:

Opinion: Merkel Must End Devil's Pact with America
By Markus Feldenkirchen

The German-American friendship no longer exists. It may still remain between citizens of both countries, but not between their governments.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...-end-devil-s-pact-with-america-a-1042573.html


I don't blame Chancellor Angela Merkel for getting pissed off by excessive NSA snooping – as an American, I'm not happy with it either. Obama turned out to be a big disappointment for many people.

However, the average German still likes visiting America (especially when the currency is favorable to making their trip affordable):

Overall, the U.S. is still the favorite long-distance destination for German tourists. Long-haul flights make up about 5 to 7 percent of all airline travel. Trips to the U.S. make up about 40 percent of that. The dream of a land of unlimited opportunity is still alive.

But that doesn't apply to Europe.

No. By long-haul tourism, we mean intercontinental travel. In 1990, North America accounted for 54 percent of that. North America has lost some ground, but the U.S. is still our single largest destination.

http://www.atlantic-times.com/archive_detail.php?recordID=239


In particular, many Germans love visiting Death Valley here in California in the summertime:

http://www.furnacecreekresort.com/the-heat-is-on-in-californias-death-valley-national-park/

Their website says they also attract UK visitors there, which kinda surprised me?

From the lowest hottest spot in America (282 feet below sea level), it's only around a 120 mile drive to the highest spot in the lower 48, Mount Whitney (at 14,505 feet above sea level), a 2 hour drive.

One thing that is often on bucket lists is to see California's giant Redwood trees, which are astonishing to see in person. We have two types in California, the coastal Redwoods which are slightly higher than the mountain Redwoods, but the mountain variety have massive trunks, which makes them more impressive.

Until this debacle fully settles down, should Amanda Knox want to rub shoulders with Europeans, then she should visit California.
:)
 
None of the Filomena interviews are in a form I can read or translate without lots of work retyping. My recollection is that she left in the afternoon for a birthday party that stretched into the evening and that she was with not only her boyfriend into the night and may have gone out after the party to a public place or that it was so late that they just went home.

This idea that she "had the same alibi" put out by an PIP/FOA here repeatedly never has been shown to be true. Having said that the incompetent PLE/ILE never took her DNA or reference foot prints. Unbelievable.

If one of our Italian readers could look at the interviews with Filomena and give an overview that would be appreciated.

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/witness-depositions/

Try these:
Nov 2nd, 2007, Nov 7th, 2007 11:30, Nov 7th, 2007 15:30 looks like someone at "Supertanker Central" in downtown Seattle is working at that problem. :)
 
1. I don't know of anything beyond what's been mentioned - apparently the record of the statement is in Frank's blog and Amanda's book. But I presume that there is a transcript of the Matteini hearing. That would presumably include the statement at issue (if it was not redacted).

2. There is no doubt that the police, prosecution, and some of the courts committed official misconduct; that is, Italian procedural law, (allegedly) criminal law, and the Italian Constitution and European Convention on Human Rights were violated. The Italian courts recognized the Nov. 5/6 interrogations had been conducted in violation of Italian procedural law, and nominally excluded Amanda's statements from being used against her for the murder/rape trial, but did apparently allow the 1:45 am statement to be used against her for calunnia.

3. There are at least four hypotheses about the conduct of the police and prosecutor exhibited in this forum. These hold that the police and prosecutor:

3.1 Acted properly and according to Italian law in all respects, and were competent. The persons now finally acquitted, Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, were justifiably arrested and tried because their behavior was suspicious; some claim that the two were actually guilty and the acquittal is somehow a miscarriage of justice.

3.2 May have sometimes acted improperly according to Italian law and were generally incompetent, however, they were acting in good faith in the arrests and trials. Knox and Sollecito were innocent but errors of legal and forensic procedure of the police and of legal procedure by the prosecutor created an appearance of guilt that courts finally resolved with the CSC final acquittal.

3.3 Framed Knox and Sollecito, who were finally acquitted by the CSC. (I leave the meaning of the word framed to those who either adopt this hypothesis or seek to defeat it.)

3.4 Conducted a campaign of official misconduct with the intent of bringing Knox and Sollecito to trial and achieving convictions, without concern as to their guilt or innocence, because of the convenience of these persons as suspects and accused (for the police and some prosecutors) or in addition, because of certain unusual obsessions and a need to redeem his reputation (PM Mignini). Some of the official misconduct was disguised as incompetence (a technique believed characteristic of corrupt Italian officials) while some of the incompetence was due to real deficits of skill or training. Knox and Sollecito were rightfully found definitively innocent by the CSC.

One may choose from among the above hypotheses or invent others.

I believe the evidence most closely supports 3.4, but others may have other opinions and they are entitled to their beliefs. But not to their own facts.

I'm with 3.2 in the beginning with movement towards 3.4 as the case progressed. I think it highly likely that noble corruption was part of the process early on. Though the interrogation was done badly I think it was normal for them.

I'm not convinced they now have doubts. I think they are like our current PGP poster and the PGP sites that still believe not only guilt but BARD.
 
None of the Filomena interviews are in a form I can read or translate without lots of work retyping. My recollection is that she left in the afternoon for a birthday party that stretched into the evening and that she was with not only her boyfriend into the night and may have gone out after the party to a public place or that it was so late that they just went home.


As I recall, Filomena and Marco arrived at the cottage while Meredith was still sleeping off the previous night's buzz, which would have been in the late morning. As Filomena rushed to get ready for the party, Amanda helped Marco wrap the B-day present, and then they left before Meredith woke up.

If it was an afternoon B-day party, then it was a very early afternoon affair since Filomena and Marco left before Meredith even woke up, and Luca's house was only a 10 minute drive from the cottage.

How late they partied I don't know, but early estimates of Meredith's TOD were as late as 2:00 am on the following day, and I doubt if they partied that late into the night.

Maybe, on the way home from the B-day party Filomena & Marco stopped by the cottage for something and found Guede on Filomena's toilet, and clean-freak Filomena went into a rage and killed Meredith?

Or, maybe Sophie came home with Meredith and killed her for some reason?

As I recall, Sophie Purton's boyfriend, Hicham Khiri, admitted to being near the cottage that night.

Of course, there's no more evidence pointing at either Filomena or Sophie than there is at Amanda, so just saying.


This idea that she "had the same alibi" put out by an PIP/FOA here repeatedly never has been shown to be true. Having said that the incompetent PLE/ILE never took her DNA or reference foot prints. Unbelievable.


It also hasn't been shown to NOT be true since the police never investigated Filomena, which was my point.

If one of our Italian readers could look at the interviews with Filomena and give an overview that would be appreciated.

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/witness-depositions/


There are excerpts in English here:

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/amanda-knox-behavior-myths/
 
Some CBS show IIRC
The 48hours episode "A long way from Home" was aired first on April 10th, 2008. It looks like the video is gone and only the transcript is left :mad:

The British documentary [URL="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2k4gjt]"Sex, Lies and the Murder of Meredith Kercher"[/URL] came out the following week (April 17th, 2008). This is the one the following snippet about Giobbi, his "Wall of Shame" and his "Investigative Intuition" is from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_hq8lgw4vA
 
The 48hours episode "A long way from Home" was aired first on April 10th, 2008. It looks like the video is gone and only the transcript is left :mad:

The British documentary [URL="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2k4gjt]"Sex, Lies and the Murder of Meredith Kercher"[/URL] came out the following week (April 17th, 2008). This is the one the following snippet about Giobbi, his "Wall of Shame" and his "Investigative Intuition" is from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_hq8lgw4vA


This one is from March 18, 2010, which includes this classic observation about the pizza:

"Knox and Sollecito never had a chance," says Paul Ciolino, a CBS News consultant and Chicago private investigator. Ciolino was at the 48 Hours meeting with Giobbi in 2008, and says, “If I had not been there, hearing this for myself, I would have never believed Giobbi would actually believe that eating a pizza was probable cause in a murder case."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/amanda-...s-guilty-of-murder-without-physical-evidence/
 
I'm with 3.2 in the beginning with movement towards 3.4 as the case progressed. I think it highly likely that noble corruption was part of the process early on. Though the interrogation was done badly I think it was normal for them.

I'm not convinced they now have doubts. I think they are like our current PGP poster and the PGP sites that still believe not only guilt but BARD.

I don't disagree with most of your post but I question the highlight. There really is no good evidence that these people understood the concept of BARD or used it. Rather, they were satisfied enough to believe that they could (sort of) construct a plausible (as far as they were concerned) narrative supportive of guilt with logical steps.

It didn't occur to them to think about any alternative hypothesis. Hellmann embraced the concept - indeed he actually cited the legislation that imposed it on the court. In contrast, Mignini asked him to set it aside as if it were an aesthetic matter and not one for the intellect. Chieffi didn't mention it once.

How many references to BARD as a required standard of proof can you find in the documents relating to the case? In Massei? In Nencini? I'm not sure there are many if not any.
 
Whoa here's some more:

If my initial ‘gut feel’ was that Amanda was simply ‘hiding something’, by the end of DECEIT there was little doubt that there was a lot more going on than that. In fact, I’ve suggested to Lisa that based on forensic evidence alone [if one threw away all the circumstantial evidence], Amanda would still a have a major case to answer to. Conversely, if one took the entirety of circumstantial evidence, including the on-again-off-again alibi, and simultaneously threw out [ie ignored] the totality of forensic evidence, Amanda would still have a major case to answer to. That’s my opinion. Lisa’s too, now that she’s gone beneath the surface of this case herself.

Apparently NVL doesn't understand that forensic evidence is circumstantial. HAHAHAHA.

Quite the True Crime author! What an idiot.

Can't wait for his explanation of LCN DNA and how ICSI followed protocol.
It's interesting that van der Leek has gone begging for (positive) reviews on TJMK.
The reviews on his books about the case are a shouting match between colpevolisti praising them into high heavens and innocentisti shouting back "Don't buy!" :(
With the propaganda war ongoing it's interesting how Van der Leek handled a real review dealing with the contents of his book "Dark Matter":
N. Van Der Leek said:
thanks for identifying all our mistakes. that appears to be your bias. A whole schpiel on the 'No Answer' chapter to thrill us with your brilliance and our stupidity. you seem to be doing so with glee, as opposed to consideration. My advice, we will be writing more books on the Knox case - don't read any of them as they will only upset you, and worse, if you do learn something you will need to blame someone for that too.
What does that mean? "Don't read my books about the case if you are able of thinking for yourself or have read other sources besides the Daily Mail about the case?"
Who does he think he is kidding? (I won't go into the details about the effects of trying to impress people by using a misspelled German word...):p
 
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It's interesting that van der Leek has gone begging for (positive) reviews on TJMK.
The reviews on his books about the case are a shouting match between colpevolisti praising them into high heavens and innocentisti shouting back "Don't buy!" :(
With the propaganda war ongoing it's interesting how Van der Leek handled a real review dealing with the contents of his book "Dark Matter":

What does that mean? "Don't read my books about the case if you are able of thinking for yourself or have read other sources besides the Daily Mail about the case?"
Who does he think he is kidding? (I won't go into the details about the effects of trying to impress people by using a misspelled German word...):p

It is clear that the PGP should be outraged as this guy is making money off poor Meredith's murder.

I am still laughing at his self proclaimed introduction to true crime writing being that he was a Facebook friend of Steenkamp. Really that made it special because of the thousands of men following her were clearly special to her.

Spiel is both German and Yiddish I think but perhaps the Dutch spell it differently. :rolleyes:

Do you have a summary of his errors the writer pointed out?
 
I am in the camp that believes there the authorities knew Amanda would be at the station there with Raff. We know their phones were being monitored and who is to say they were not being watched? If they went to the extent of tapping a phone it certainly wouldn't be a stretch to believe so. They also knew she had been staying with Raff and was afraid to be alone. I realize there will always be some who will never be satisfied regarding this aspect of the case, but I am one who does not need absolute proof to assess what a persons mindset might be when it comes to sequential thinking. I'm not saying I am always right, but I do have a grasp on intuitive thinking and often times I am on the money.

They went to the trouble of contacting Rome to get together interrogators. They would not have gone to the trouble of doing so if there were not a plan in place for both of them.

As far as Edda goes, I do believe they saw her as a potential hindrance to the investigation. And frankly, I see no further reason to debate it. Who knows how much of a threat they viewed it as? However, the interrogation being lined up so quickly and before the DNA evidence had been thoroughly analyzed suggests something compelled them to rush to the interrogation. It hardly seems to be a leap to attribute it to Edda's pending arrival. They were probably afraid of the possibility she could have presented an obstacle.


I don't know if anyone else will have addressed this issue in the meantime, but I believe the clear reason why the police/PM were fearful of the impact of Knox's mother's arrival was nothing at all to do with "lawyering up". In my opinion, it had everything to do with Knox's mother saying to Knox "enough of all this - I'm taking you back to Seattle immediately". And the police/PM knew that a) they had no valid legal reason at that time to compel Knox to remain in Italy, and b) if Knox did go back to the US, they'd certainly have huge trouble extraditing her in the future, and indeed might never be able to extradite her at all.

And that is why (in my view) the police and PM were desperate to "break" Knox - and thereby give them a valid reason to arrest and detain her - before she ever had the opportunity to meet up with her mother. They thought there was a strong possibility that if they didn't do so, Knox would meet with her mother on 6th November in Perugia, and they would both be on flights back to the US by the evening of the same day.

(And that also explains why they didn't feel the same time pressure with Sollecito. Sollecito's whole family and support network was in Italy. There was a very low possibility that he'd be going anywhere abroad, and in any case, even if he did, they'd have far less trouble getting an Italian citizen returned to Italy (especially if Sollecito chose to travel to somewhere in the EU). In addition, I think the police at that time didn't believe that Sollecito was directly involved in the murder - I think they believed he was simply lying to protect Knox. It was Knox who they really wanted to get, and they wanted to use (and "break") Sollecito to get to her.)
 
It is clear that the PGP should be outraged as this guy is making money off poor Meredith's murder.

I am still laughing at his self proclaimed introduction to true crime writing being that he was a Facebook friend of Steenkamp. Really that made it special because of the thousands of men following her were clearly special to her.

Spiel is both German and Yiddish I think but perhaps the Dutch spell it differently. :rolleyes:

Do you have a summary of his errors the writer pointed out?

Read the review. (Note to self: "Make sure that links are recognizable." :o )

ETA: it's "Spel" 50 km westward from here ;-)
 
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I don't know if anyone else will have addressed this issue in the meantime, but I believe the clear reason why the police/PM were fearful of the impact of Knox's mother's arrival was nothing at all to do with "lawyering up". In my opinion, it had everything to do with Knox's mother saying to Knox "enough of all this - I'm taking you back to Seattle immediately". And the police/PM knew that a) they had no valid legal reason at that time to compel Knox to remain in Italy, and b) if Knox did go back to the US, they'd certainly have huge trouble extraditing her in the future, and indeed might never be able to extradite her at all.

And that is why (in my view) the police and PM were desperate to "break" Knox - and thereby give them a valid reason to arrest and detain her - before she ever had the opportunity to meet up with her mother. They thought there was a strong possibility that if they didn't do so, Knox would meet with her mother on 6th November in Perugia, and they would both be on flights back to the US by the evening of the same day.

(And that also explains why they didn't feel the same time pressure with Sollecito. Sollecito's whole family and support network was in Italy. There was a very low possibility that he'd be going anywhere abroad, and in any case, even if he did, they'd have far less trouble getting an Italian citizen returned to Italy (especially if Sollecito chose to travel to somewhere in the EU). In addition, I think the police at that time didn't believe that Sollecito was directly involved in the murder - I think they believed he was simply lying to protect Knox. It was Knox who they really wanted to get, and they wanted to use (and "break") Sollecito to get to her.)

It appears to me that the evidence that has been put forth to support this theory borders on a proof that the theory is correct. There are many details in this case where it would be interesting to know more about what the truth of the issue is. This isn't one of them for me. It seems like the facts are fairly well known and one can feel fairly confident that what LJ suggests is correct. I was surprised at the breadth and depth of evidence that people managed to find to support the theory LJ puts forth here. There are a great many other details in this case where such solid evidence to support a particular view is not available.
 
Frame is such a strong word Grinder. I DON'T think they set out to "frame" Amanda. I think for very stupid reasons, they thought or at least some of the cops thought she was guilty and the interrogation methods were SOP. They were doing what in their minds was their job get the bad guys, or in this case the bad girl. They did what they thought was necessary to get that job done. This isn't the first or the last PD to resort to marginally ethical methods to secure an incriminating statement.

They wouldn't be the first or last cops that lied to a suspect in an interview. The Italians didn't invent the Reid interrogation technique. The one person I blame above all else for what happened to Amandatory and Raffaele is Stefanoni. I'm convinced that she fabricated some of the lab results.


I also don't think they feared the US embassy. But I believe they thought they could be troublesome.

I agree with this, but being professionals the interrogators should have resisted bias much more than they did.

But for anyone, who wasnt there, that trys to paste a fictional scenario onto what happened in the interrogation is rather boring.

A lot of us have never been in an interrogation, let alone one in a foreign country, for murder. The entire scenario is unimaginable.

A lot of guilters try to believe and convince each other that no one would confess to something they didnt do, or that police can be severely ignorant and sloppy at their profession etc...etc..

in short, just bad unprofessional police work for the Edgrado and Monica crews, and Migninni allowed it all.
 
It appears to me that the evidence that has been put forth to support this theory borders on a proof that the theory is correct. There are many details in this case where it would be interesting to know more about what the truth of the issue is. This isn't one of them for me. It seems like the facts are fairly well known and one can feel fairly confident that what LJ suggests is correct. I was surprised at the breadth and depth of evidence that people managed to find to support the theory LJ puts forth here. There are a great many other details in this case where such solid evidence to support a particular view is not available.

Really? Perhaps you could give two pieces that support this theory. As Strozzi said and I agree they could have held her as a material witness, hell it took three days after the arrest for her to see a judge.

Her mother AND her aunt in Germany had suggested she leave but she didn't.

The biggest problem with the theory is they didn't call in Amanda.

It may have crossed their minds and seemed a bother but I doubt it was a major factor. Not even Giobbi said so. :rolleyes:
 
Really? Perhaps you could give two pieces that support this theory. As Strozzi said and I agree they could have held her as a material witness, hell it took three days after the arrest for her to see a judge.

Her mother AND her aunt in Germany had suggested she leave but she didn't.

The biggest problem with the theory is they didn't call in Amanda.

It may have crossed their minds and seemed a bother but I doubt it was a major factor. Not even Giobbi said so. :rolleyes:

But do you really think that is such a big deal? They could call her in anytime they wanted. I don't understand what importance it has if they asked her in specifically or didn't. Their plans could have been the same either way.
 
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