Vixen
Penultimate Amazing
By some scholars, perhaps. You really need to learn more about the Testimonium before you appeal to it as "evidence".
There are multiple threads dealing with Josephus and his supposed ilk. You really ought to get up to speed.
Not to mention, suppose argumentum (and ONLY argumentum), that the MJ in all his water-walkin', fish-sharin', fig-tree-cursin' glory could be proved to have existed. What, in your opinion, ties that figure to the CIQ? Be specific, your assertions will be (and likely already have been) contested.
Congratulations! Suppose you explain in what way de Wesselow finds fault with the 14C dating? Again, be specific, and be prepared to defend your assertions.
You may want to brush up on the definition of "assumptions"...
It is patently clear that you are either ignorant of, or willing to ignore, two monstrous and protracted threads. Consider, for example, that you appear to be glossing over the nature and characteristics of the image itself. Do consider getting up to speed...
Whoosh. Deal with analogy much? (FTR, in that analysis, C.S. Forrester is analogically equivalent to Josephus. Horatio, himself, is analogically equivalent to Joesphus' supposed reference to "the Christ".)
I invite you to demonstrate where, in your opinion, this assumption occurs. Be specific. Or are you another of those that can read minds?
I invite you to demonstrate where, in your opinion, this assumption occurs. Be specific. Or are you another of those that can read minds?
I invite you to demonstrate where, in your opinion, this assumption occurs. Be specific. Or are you another of those that can read minds?
Do yourself a favor. If, in fact, you do present such a summary, get up to speed and make sure that your points have not already been addressed, in this thread and its progenitor.
And do consider addressing what is actually posted, not what you wish had been.
Soz, I mixed your message up with #3422 Susheel. Re science vs religion.
Any debate that centres around science and religion is sure to end in tears :'(
However, I'll refresh my memory as to what de Wesselow says about the carbon dating. IIRC the scientists or the public have only been allowed near the shroud (there might only be a few days left to see the current showing) two or three times.
Then there came a lot of political spin and quarrelling about the carbon dating.
Whilst the shroud might be relatively modern, it would be difficult to fake the image of a crucified man. Whether that man is Jesus, whom historians do accept existed, is yet another matter.
Sadly, if a fake, the current Pope was recently gazing at it and touching the frame to no avail.