South Carolina, tear down that flag!

[thaiboxerken]

So that's your big heritage? 1) Their forefathers fought for the confederacy, and 2) they have southern accents?

Correct. The unifying value for the Confederacy was their shared opinion that black people are inferior and should be slaves.

 

[Garrette]

--snip--
No, that sounds stupid. Dialects vary all over, and there is a range. Louisiana is not the same as Kentucky. And we were in Florida last fall, and not a single person had a "southern accent." OK, they are all transplants, but so what? Clearly, the flag doesn't represent them now. Maybe Floridians had southern accents back in 1864, but they don't now.

--snip--

Just mentioned a laughable moment in a television movie I saw recently. In the movie it was made a big deal that one of the group of heroes was from Kentucky, loved everything Kentucky, and lived and breathed Kentucky. The actor played it with a Georgia accent. They are vastly different. (Heck, there are easily discernible accents and dialect within Kentucky itself).

 

[Trebuchet]

not to mention that ignores all those who DON'T want it flown. Flying it from a government building is a big FU to any black citizens as well as to those whose ancestors were Union.

And intentionally so.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

And we were in Florida last fall, and not a single person had a "southern accent."

I don't reckon y'all were in the Florida panhandle.

In FL, you gotta go north to get to the south.

 

[thaiboxerken]

http://nypost.com/2015/06/30/south-carolina-approves-kkks-pro-confederate-flag-rally-at-capitol/

These guys are fighting hard for the freedom to have their flag flown by the government.

 

[pgwenthold]

I don't reckon y'all were in the Florida panhandle.

In FL, you gotta go north to get to the south.

Right. So the "southern accent" that is the common heritage of the south isn't even a common unifying feature of the state of Florida.

 

[Meadmaker]

And we were in Florida last fall, and not a single person had a "southern accent."

Did you see any confederate flags?

No?

 

[RandFan]

Right. So the "southern accent" that is the common heritage of the south isn't even a common unifying feature of the state of Florida.

Are eating establishments more likely to serve grits or hash browns? If they ain't got grits they ain't southern.

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

Just mentioned a laughable moment in a television movie I saw recently. In the movie it was made a big deal that one of the group of heroes was from Kentucky, loved everything Kentucky, and lived and breathed Kentucky. The actor played it with a Georgia accent. They are vastly different. (Heck, there are easily discernible accents and dialect within Kentucky itself).

from other regions of the country they can all sound the same. But that's true of any group of accents.

 

[pgwenthold]

Are eating establishments more likely to serve grits or hash browns? If they ain't got grits they ain't southern.

Cracker Barrel sells both.

 

[pgwenthold]

Did you see any confederate flags?

No?

No, we saw a lot of Mickey Mouse though.


However, Florida was part of the confederacy.

 

[Garrette]

from other regions of the country they can all sound the same. But that's true of any group of accents.

Yes, they can, but that doesn't mean there are not highly discernible differences for those who either live within the characterized region or care to make a modicum of effort to do so. I am not a linguist nor an expert on accents, but I can generally tell you Kentucky from South Carolina from Louisiana from parts of Texas.

 

[RandFan]

Cracker Barrel sells both.

When I go to the South the first place I want to eat is at an establishment with the word "cracker" in its name.

 

[foophil]

Did you see any confederate flags?

No?

I live in a very liberal town (Gainesville) in the 'North Central' region of Florida. While hardly anyone here has an accent, we do have one confederate memorial (with a flag) that people are now trying to have removed:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20150629/ARTICLES/150629676?tc=cr

I've lived here on and off for most of my life and had no idea that statue honored dead confederate soldiers. I've driven by it countless of times as it is at a major intersection and very prominently displayed, but I've never bothered to park somewhere and get out to read the inscription. I also don't remember an actual flag, so I'm thinking it is an inscription of the flag rather than the confederate flag itself.

If we have a big statue like that in the liberal bastion of Gainesville (believe me, all areas around this town are deeply conservative), I can only imagine what some of the nearby smaller towns might have.

I haven't been to the state capitol in many years, so I couldn't speak for there either.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I know it hasn't been brought up recently in this thread, but I've always thought, regarding some people's claims about the South's "real" motivation, that "states' rights" was pretty obviously a euphemism for slavery. I mean, what other states' rights were they actually concerned about losing?

 

[pgwenthold]

I know it hasn't been brought up recently in this thread, but I've always thought, regarding some people's claims about the South's "real" motivation, that "states' rights" was pretty obviously a euphemism for slavery. I mean, what other states' rights were they actually concerned about losing?

The right to secede.

Which they wanted to do because of slavery.

I posted earlier in the thread about how South Carolina wanted to secede because New Hampshire tried to pull and end-around on the Fugitive Slave Act. So much for supporting States' rights, I guess.

 

[paulhutch]

I live in a very liberal town (Gainesville) in the 'North Central' region of Florida. While hardly anyone here has an accent, we do have one confederate memorial (with a flag) that people are now trying to have removed:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20150629/ARTICLES/150629676?tc=cr

I've lived here on and off for most of my life and had no idea that statue honored dead confederate soldiers. I've driven by it countless of times as it is at a major intersection and very prominently displayed, but I've never bothered to park somewhere and get out to read the inscription. I also don't remember an actual flag, so I'm thinking it is an inscription of the flag rather than the confederate flag itself.

If we have a big statue like that in the liberal bastion of Gainesville (believe me, all areas around this town are deeply conservative), I can only imagine what some of the nearby smaller towns might have.

I haven't been to the state capitol in many years, so I couldn't speak for there either.

The enlarged version of the article's photo shows the The Stars and Bars flag in the shield area of the granite base. Personally I would not want to see that monument removed or altered as it is a 1904 memorial to the local soldiers who died in the war. Being over 100 years old makes the monument itself a piece of history and I'm firmly on the side of not trying to erase history even when it offends people.

If the city was also flying a separate flag I'd like them to stop flying it but changing or removing a memorial to the dead is just wrong to me. I like the idea put forth by the local museum director of adding a garden and other statuary to make it honor more people instead of just the Confederate dead. Perhaps a statue of a local civil rights activist or MLK and maybe a plaque explaining a bit of the local history.

 

[RandFan]

The enlarged version of the article's photo shows the The Stars and Bars flag in the shield area of the granite base. Personally I would not want to see that monument removed or altered as it is a 1904 memorial to the local soldiers who died in the war. Being over 100 years old makes the monument itself a piece of history and I'm firmly on the side of not trying to erase history even when it offends people.

If the city was also flying a separate flag I'd like them to stop flying it but changing or removing a memorial to the dead is just wrong to me. I like the idea put forth by the local museum director of adding a garden and other statuary to make it honor more people instead of just the Confederate dead. Perhaps a statue of a local civil rights activist or MLK and maybe a plaque explaining a bit of the local history.

I agree.

 

[Mumbles]

I live in a very liberal town (Gainesville) in the 'North Central' region of Florida. While hardly anyone here has an accent, we do have one confederate memorial (with a flag) that people are now trying to have removed:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20150629/ARTICLES/150629676?tc=cr

Now *that* is perfect. Leave it!

 

[mgidm86]

The enlarged version of the article's photo shows the The Stars and Bars flag in the shield area of the granite base. Personally I would not want to see that monument removed or altered as it is a 1904 memorial to the local soldiers who died in the war. Being over 100 years old makes the monument itself a piece of history and I'm firmly on the side of not trying to erase history even when it offends people.

If the city was also flying a separate flag I'd like them to stop flying it but changing or removing a memorial to the dead is just wrong to me. I like the idea put forth by the local museum director of adding a garden and other statuary to make it honor more people instead of just the Confederate dead. Perhaps a statue of a local civil rights activist or MLK and maybe a plaque explaining a bit of the local history.

You had me with you until the last 2 sentences. A statue of MLK with a 100+ year old monument for dead Confederate soldiers? We either recognize the history that is displayed by the memorial or we don't. Trying to pretty it up like this is more extreme P.C. than just tearing it down.