Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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He shows remorse in the first Skype that I posted above.

ETA - he never actually has remorse for anything but not helping her more and calling for help.

I don't see any remorse expressed in that Skype. Saying he tried to help does not indicate remorse. Unless I missed it, I don't see anything like "I feel terrible I was not able to save her", or "I wish my trying worked".

What I see feels more like "I'm the good guy! They are wrong about me! I tried to help!"
 
I don't see any remorse expressed in that Skype. Saying he tried to help does not indicate remorse. Unless I missed it, I don't see anything like "I feel terrible I was not able to save her", or "I wish my trying worked".

What I see feels more like "I'm the good guy! They are wrong about me! I tried to help!"

He expresses more remorse (the examples you give) in his diary writings about not helping her. Whether it is true expression I don't know. I'm not sure how much weight his diary writings would have been given towards sentence in any of the trials.
 
I don't see any remorse expressed in that Skype. Saying he tried to help does not indicate remorse. Unless I missed it, I don't see anything like "I feel terrible I was not able to save her", or "I wish my trying worked".

What I see feels more like "I'm the good guy! They are wrong about me! I tried to help!"

I corrected my comment above. He never shows more remorse than not doing more to save her. He has never admitted killing her or being part of the crime.

His remorse is for not doing more to help her, which he does mention in the Skype

ETA - I agree he says it more so in the diary or Mignini interview.
 
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From Mignini interview:

When Meredith was no longer… at a certain point she… like, I don’t
know how to define it, she had like… at a certain point it’s like she
slipped away and in that moment I didn’t know what to do, so many
thoughts came to mind, I didn’t know whether to go into the street
and shout that something had happened, at a certain point I
panicked and I said to myself “here no one will believe me” because
I repeat, I had blood on my hands, I went down on my knee… when I
placed the cushion, I had this left part of my foot, of the left knee
anyway that had become drenched because I placed myself next
to her trying to help her
… I had so many thoughts come to my mind
until at a certain point the thing which frightened me the most is that
I heard from the floor below, or rather below the house, below as if
someone was moving a table, a chair, that classic noise that you
hear, and there I became frightened that I wouldn’t be believed
about what had happened.


The cell phones, did you see them anywhere?
Guede I tell you, in the moments before this all happened, after what I saw, if
there had been a phone or a land line phone in the house I would
certainly have called 188…


That are called Call centers, after I talked with Giacomo also on the
telephone and basically I was without money


Three hour Skype...hmmmm
 
More..

I wanted to say something if I may. Well I’m immersed in a situation
that I’d never have imagined to find myself in my life. It is something
that is bigger than me, certainly, this is something I say voluntarily, I
have blame because I could have called the ambulance, I could
have gone in the street and screamed and called somebody. I say
just one thing, if I were to do I don’t know how many years because I
didn’t save the life of a person I will do it without problem, however I
don’t see why I should even do one day of prison for the belief, or if
the world can believe, that I have killed a person.
And it’s for this that
I, seeing as I’m immersed in a story that is too big for me, I’m willing
because having heard certain people who are also my age, who
are guys like me… well for me they have a soul, they have a brain
and they have responsibilities, I’m available for any kind of
confrontation with these people. Because I think I also deserve
clarifications on certain assertions.
 
The remorse IIRC is stated in the motivation report (of the fast-track trial or appeal?) not by Guede, but by the judge stating that Guede has shown remorse for not helping Meredith. Also the MR stated that, in contrast, Amanda and Raffaele did not show any remorse. That Guede showed such remorse could just be another Italian "judicial truth" with no basis in real facts.

"He hadn’t closed the door of the 8 bathroom and heard a female voice which seemed to him to be that of Amanda Knox (this was the first time he mentioned her!) answer in English, asking “what’s happening?” or “what’s the problem?” From the bathroom, he heard the two women speak, and after a few minutes he heard a scream louder than the music in his earphones; he went out and saw the man armed with a knife on Meredith’s threshold. He no longer spoke of a fight lasting five minutes or more, but of a lightening-fast fight before the man fled." (Giordano Report)

The reason for the exclamation mark is that it was only until the third Mignini interview with Guede (March 3, 2008) that Guede mentions Amanda as being at the scene of the crime in his story. So, it can be deduced that Rudy really isn't the sharpest pencil in the drawer. He obviously was being coached by someone, probably Biscotti. So, when Rudy's sentence reduction is justified the judge can state that Rudy apologized to the Kerchers (unlike Luciferina Amanda) and Rudy, at least, named the other two that he committed the crime with.

This is called playing the system.
 
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"He hadn’t closed the door of the 8 bathroom and heard a female voice which seemed to him to be that of Amanda Knox (this was the first time he mentioned her!) answer in English, asking “what’s happening?” or “what’s the problem?” From the bathroom, he heard the two women speak, and after a few minutes he heard a scream louder than the music in his earphones; he went out and saw the man armed with a knife on Meredith’s threshold. He no longer spoke of a fight lasting five minutes or more, but of a lightening-fast fight before the man fled." (Giordano Report)

The reason for the exclamation mark is that it was only until the third Mignini interview with Guede (March 3, 2008) that Guede mentions Amanda as being at the scene of the crime in his story. So, it can be deduced that Rudy really isn't the sharpest pencil in the drawer. He obviously was being coached by someone, probably Biscotti. So, when Rudy's sentence reduction is justified the judge can state that Rudy apologized to the Kerchers (unlike Luciferina Amanda) and Rudy, at least, named the other two that he committed the crime with.
This is called playing the system.

Yes, this is the basis of some of the reduction in Guede's sentence. The other part is the fast-track trial reduction.

"This is called playing the system": very true. And I suspect Mignini provided "subtle" help to Guede by asking him leading questions.
 
I haven't followed the Guede sentencing convo closely so this may have been posted already from Giordano

1 – The Sentences
Rudy Hermann Guede was found guilty, and sentenced by a ruling issued on Oct. 28, 2008 by the Preliminary Hearing Judge [GUP] of the court of Perugia, in a fast-track trial, to the penalty of thirty years’ imprisonment, as well as penalties and compensatory damages for the crime under art. 575, 576 par. 1 no. 5 of the Penal Code, aggravated by [a finding of] trivial reasons and circumstances hindering self-defence, (ex. art. 61 no. 1 and 5), with denial of the requested mitigating circumstances.
The Court of Appeal, upheld the guilty verdict for an aggravated crime as above, but reduced the sentence of imprisonment to 16 years, after finding the mitigating circumstances to be equivalent to the alleged aggravating circumstances, and thus re-applying the reduction for the [fast-track] trial to the maximum penalty for a non-aggravated murder
.

It would appear that non-aggravated murder is 24 years and with the 1/3 fast track reduction it came to 16 years.
 
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Problems with the Italian CSC...Chieffi panel: an example. Chieffi called for an "osmotic" evaluation of the evidence, where all evidence no matter how credible or not was somehow summed, essentially to establish guilt (presumably). However, Italian procedural law, CPP Article 192, Evaluation of evidence, para. 2 states: The existence of a fact cannot be inferred from circumstantial evidence unless such evidence is serious, precise and consistent. How can the "osmotic" procedure be consistent with CPP Art. 192 para. 2? IMO, Chieffi is calling for an illegal procedure. But Mignini is arguing that because this illegal procedure is called for in a CSC ruling, it is legal and must be followed.

Interestingly, Chieffi also wrote this:

"Established case law has developed solid evaluative parameters concerning circumstantial cases which are absolutely uniform, and which require the trial judge to perform a twofold operation: first, he or she must evaluate the circumstantial piece of evidence individually, to establish whether or not the required precision is present and to determine its probative value, which at most is in terms of mere possibility; then, it is necessary to enter into an overall examination of the pieces of evidence, to ascertain whether the ambiguities inevitably associated with each one (if demonstrative uncertainties were not present, one would be dealing with actual proof), can be overcome “in a unified vision, so as to permit the attribution of the criminal deed to the accused, even in the absence of direct proof of guilt, on the basis of a collection of facts which fit together without gaps or leaps in logic, and which lead necessarily to that outcome as a strictly consequential result.” (Sec. I, 6-9-2010, no. 30448, Un. Sec. 2-4-1992, no. 6682.)"

Where these people seem to have got themselves into a pickle is by getting their evaluations muddled and making them worse by doing what is now prohibited in Italian law:

Cass. Section 4, Ruling no. 48320 of 11-12-2009 (submitted 12-17-2009) Rv. 245879: “…In sum, the rule of beyond a reasonable doubt has definitively put in crisis that jurisprudential theory [orientamento] according to which, in the presence of more than one hypothesis reconstructing the facts, the judge was permitted to adopt one which led to conviction solely because he deemed it more probable than the others. That will no longer be permitted, because, to arrive at conviction, the judge must not only deem improbable any differing reconstruction of the facts which leads to the acquittal of the defendant, but must furthermore hold that the doubt about [i.e. arising from] this alternative hypothesis is unreasonable (that is, it must be an implausible hypothesis or at least devoid of any confirmation whatsoever).” (Cited by Hellmann)

Thus, Cass. Section 1, Ruling no. 17921 of 03-03-2010 (submitted 05-11-2010) Rv. 247449: “The judicial rule encapsulated in the formula ‘beyond all reasonable doubt’ requires that conviction be declared on the condition that the evidentiary datum acquired leave [i.e. permit] only remote eventualities, perhaps capable of being abstractly formulated and proposed as possibilities in rerum natura [Latin: “in the nature of things”], but whose realization in the concrete circumstances at hand is devoid of any minimal confirmation in the trial record, putting itself outside of the natural order of things and of normal human rationality.” (Cited by Hellmann)

Hellmann concludes:

"The condition required by.....law (C.P.P Article 533 effected by Article 5, Law no. 46 - Feb 20, 2006) to arrive at a verdict of guilty does not, therefore, allow one to formulate a belief in terms of probability: that is, to issue a guilty verdict, it is not sufficient for the probability of the prosecution hypothesis to be greater than that of the defense hypothesis, even when the former is significantly larger [notevolmente più numerose]; but [rather] it is necessary that every explanation other than the prosecution hypothesis not be plausible at all, according to a criterion of reasonability. In any other case, acquittal of the defendant is required."

There appears to be an unyielding tension here since "to permit the attribution of the criminal deed to the accused", as Chieffi surmises, even if it is possible to do this, is not sufficient to allow a trial court to arrive at a guilty verdict according to Art 533. Chieffi pays no attention to this.

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...ii/capo-ii/sezione-ii/art533.html&prev=search
 
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I haven't followed the Guede sentencing convo closely so this may have been posted already from Giordano

1 – The Sentences
Rudy Hermann Guede was found guilty, and sentenced by a ruling issued on Oct. 28, 2008 by the Preliminary Hearing Judge [GUP] of the court of Perugia, in a fast-track trial, to the penalty of thirty years’ imprisonment, as well as penalties and compensatory damages for the crime under art. 575, 576 par. 1 no. 5 of the Penal Code, aggravated by [a finding of] trivial reasons and circumstances hindering self-defence, (ex. art. 61 no. 1 and 5), with denial of the requested mitigating circumstances.
The Court of Appeal, upheld the guilty verdict for an aggravated crime as above, but reduced the sentence of imprisonment to 16 years, after finding the mitigating circumstances to be equivalent to the alleged aggravating circumstances, and thus re-applying the reduction for the [fast-track] trial to the maximum penalty for a non-aggravated murder
.

It would appear that non-aggravated murder is 24 years and with the 1/3 fast track reduction it came to 16 years.

I think this is so (the last part of your paragraph). Noted it was the prosecution (Catalani) who asked that the Micheli sentence (30 years) remain intact with no extenuating circumstances (second hearing/appeal).

Is there in the appeal to the ISC re: Rudy's case a request by the prosecution for more time to be added to Rudy's sentence?
 
Interestingly, Chieffi also wrote this:

"Established case law has developed solid evaluative parameters concerning circumstantial cases which are absolutely uniform, and which require the trial judge to perform a twofold operation: first, he or she must evaluate the circumstantial piece of evidence individually, to establish whether or not the required precision is present and to determine its probative value, which at most is in terms of mere possibility; then, it is necessary to enter into an overall examination of the pieces of evidence, to ascertain whether the ambiguities inevitably associated with each one (if demonstrative uncertainties were not present, one would be dealing with actual proof), can be overcome “in a unified vision, so as to permit the attribution of the criminal deed to the accused, even in the absence of direct proof of guilt, on the basis of a collection of facts which fit together without gaps or leaps in logic, and which lead necessarily to that outcome as a strictly consequential result.” (Sec. I, 6-9-2010, no. 30448, Un. Sec. 2-4-1992, no. 6682.)"

Where these people seem to have got themselves into a pickle is by getting their evaluations muddled and making them worse by doing what is now prohibited in Italian law:

Cass. Section 4, Ruling no. 48320 of 11-12-2009 (submitted 12-17-2009) Rv. 245879: “…In sum, the rule of beyond a reasonable doubt has definitively put in crisis that jurisprudential theory [orientamento] according to which, in the presence of more than one hypothesis reconstructing the facts, the judge was permitted to adopt one which led to conviction solely because he deemed it more probable than the others. That will no longer be permitted, because, to arrive at conviction, the judge must not only deem improbable any differing reconstruction of the facts which leads to the acquittal of the defendant, but must furthermore hold that the doubt about [i.e. arising from] this alternative hypothesis is unreasonable (that is, it must be an implausible hypothesis or at least devoid of any confirmation whatsoever).” (Cited by Hellmann)

Thus, Cass. Section 1, Ruling no. 17921 of 03-03-2010 (submitted 05-11-2010) Rv. 247449: “The judicial rule encapsulated in the formula ‘beyond all reasonable doubt’ requires that conviction be declared on the condition that the evidentiary datum acquired leave [i.e. permit] only remote eventualities, perhaps capable of being abstractly formulated and proposed as possibilities in rerum natura [Latin: “in the nature of things”], but whose realization in the concrete circumstances at hand is devoid of any minimal confirmation in the trial record, putting itself outside of the natural order of things and of normal human rationality.” (Cited by Hellmann)

Hellmann concludes:

"The condition required by.....law (C.P.P Article 533 effected by Article 5, Law no. 46 - Feb 20, 2006) to arrive at a verdict of guilty does not, therefore, allow one to formulate a belief in terms of probability: that is, to issue a guilty verdict, it is not sufficient for the probability of the prosecution hypothesis to be greater than that of the defense hypothesis, even when the former is significantly larger [notevolmente più numerose]; but [rather] it is necessary that every explanation other than the prosecution hypothesis not be plausible at all, according to a criterion of reasonability. In any other case, acquittal of the defendant is required."

There appears to be an unyielding tension here since "to permit the attribution of the criminal deed to the accused", as Chieffi surmises, even if it is possible to do this, is not sufficient to allow a trial court to arrive at a guilty verdict according to Art 533. Chieffi pays no attention to this.

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...ii/capo-ii/sezione-ii/art533.html&prev=search

The standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" generally implies (in my understanding) that no plausible alternative to guilt is reasonable. The idea that one may be guilty because guilt is one of the plausible alternatives, and the judge is free to adopt that alternative, seems contrary to BARD.
 
I don't see any remorse expressed in that Skype. Saying he tried to help does not indicate remorse. Unless I missed it, I don't see anything like "I feel terrible I was not able to save her", or "I wish my trying worked".

What I see feels more like "I'm the good guy! They are wrong about me! I tried to help!"

Rudi did not try to help her after he butchered her. He went to the bathroom to clean himself up from her blood which he got on himself. He returned to her bedroom with towels not to staunch her wounds but to wipe away prints that might identify him. He put a pillow under her not to comfort her head or raise her feet against shock, but to levitate her hips so he could more easily get at her vagina. He covered much of her body with a duvet because it must be difficult to masterbate with her face staring up at him. If she was still alive the duvet helped muffle her gurgles. He took her cell phones not to call help for her but to exploit. He locked her bedroom door as he left to delay her discovery.

This is the killer Mignini tacitly helped get a mitigation.
 
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Greetings,
Can anyone help me find out where in Rudy Guede's Skype conversation,
(taped by Perugian Police as his bro Giacomo helps them interrogate, err question,
opps, I mean converse with Rudy for 3 hours while he was on the run,
a few days after Giacomo had taken these cops to Rudy's apartment),
where does Rudy show much remorse for not calling Emergency Services at #118
to help save Miss Kercher after the stranger knifed,
(but did not rape) her while he used her room mate's potty?


For what I just seem to recall is that Rudy Guede was coverin' his arse with some bull crap story
that he was on a "date" and when he left, Meredith was still dressed, but surrounded by her own blood, dying.
Afterwards, Rudy changed clothes + went dancin' at The Domus nightclub,
right?

What remorse?
The dude did not deserve a 6 year reduction off his prison sentence,
in my surfer's opinion.

His German Prison Diary,
written sometime after The Skype Call,
as he languished in a foreign prison he was afraid to be in,
seems to show some remorse.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.


I need help on this too:
Rudy Guede,
on the run in Germany,
heard on this Skype call from Nov. 19 of '07,
is worried about semen.

How did word get out that there was semen inside Meredith's bedroom?
I thought that this probable semen was not discovered until much, much later,
by the defense.

Or was Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlXKyMh48KQ&app=desktop
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I don't think it has been definitively established what exactly the stain was on Meredith's pillowcase.

I do not find it curious that Stefanoni would speak of semen in a case where a possible sexual assault had taken place. My take is she is speaking of it in general not the specific (as on the pillowcase).

One of the reasons given (maybe the only) for not disturbing the crime scene and Meredith until forensics had arrived was to not contaminate any possible semen which may have been deposited (mainly concerning Meredith). There was a blue light (I'm not sure this is the correct term) used on various surfaces and articles to detect semen but from what I have read none was discovered.

I don't know if this light was used on the pillowcase (I will guess it was). I do know there was some conversation concerning the stain and the hand/footprints on the pillowcase and it was decided it was more important to preserve it for the hand/footprints rather than test the stain so I think the stain was known before Vinci used his crimescope (or whatever it is called that he used) in May 2009.
 
The standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" generally implies (in my understanding) that no plausible alternative to guilt is reasonable. The idea that one may be guilty because guilt is one of the plausible alternatives, and the judge is free to adopt that alternative, seems contrary to BARD.

Yes, it's entirely contrary. But of course, that's not their only hurdle. The notion of guilt itself in this case is not plausible anyway because the evaluation of the circumstantial evidence according to their own procedural requirements does not permit such a conclusion, as you have made clear on a number of occasions.
 
He expresses more remorse (the examples you give) in his diary writings about not helping her. Whether it is true expression I don't know. I'm not sure how much weight his diary writings would have been given towards sentence in any of the trials.

It's difficult to separate lies from truth or partial truth in Guede's statements. We can only try to match them up with what the evidence shows, and although some speculate, I don't think we have enough information on Guede's true personality to be able to determine what happened exactly.

On the "remorse" question, I have seen three possibilities that match the evidence. This assumes he did not originally enter the cottage planning on killing Meredith, or anyone, but was there for other reasons:

1) He killed Meredith in a frenzied panic and/or rage. Then, after coming to his senses, freaked out, went to get towels, tried to save her, realized that was not going to work, then left. (this scenario would allow for remorse he was not able to save her)
2) He killed Meredith in a frenzied panic and/or rage, but not a panic/rage where he lost sense of what he was doing. He went to get the towels because he thought maybe he could clean up, maybe even get rid of the body. Coming back from the bathroom, he realized there was way too much blood and mess for that to work. (no real remorse here -- his post murder actions were to try to cover his tracks)
3) He killed Meredith, but not in any panic, but because he realized she was going to tell people he broke in, and/or maybe was pissed that she turned down his advances. Like in scenario 2, he gets the towels to try to clean up. (no real remorse here either)

I've always tended to lean toward scenario #1, because it answers, for me, why he would have murdered her. Regardless of a person's opinions on Guede, there is no evidence he ever killed prior to this night. And killing in a way that made such an ugly, bloody scene makes no sense in any rational way. So it follows for me that not only was murder not part of the plan, but something went terribly wrong emotionally to make him kill her in such a violent fashion.

So, on the topic of remorse, if he freaked out, killed her, then came out of his frenzied emotional state, I can see a moment of "oh my god, what did I do" happening. The problem with this is that I can't quite figure out when and why he raped her, digitally or otherwise, and how that factors in. Not meaning to gross anyone out, just trying to understand what could have happened.

So I think it is possible he had some remorse, but not the way he is trying to describe it in his story to Mignini. At that point, he is trying to play both ends against the middle -- "I was there, but I didn't do it, I swear! And even though I didn't do it, I am not trying to say I am blameless, Oh no!! I feel TERRIBLE that I was not able to save her! And I feel TERRIBLE that I did not call the cops and/or ambulance!" I think the only thing he felt terrible about is the predicament he ended up in. So it is hard to call it true remorse.

All the above is speculation. But it seems to fit the evidence that we have.
 
I don't think it has been definitively established what exactly the stain was on Meredith's pillowcase.

I do not find it curious that Stefanoni would speak of semen in a case where a possible sexual assault had taken place. My take is she is speaking of it in general not the specific (as on the pillowcase).

One of the reasons given (maybe the only) for not disturbing the crime scene and Meredith until forensics had arrived was to not contaminate any possible semen which may have been deposited (mainly concerning Meredith). There was a blue light (I'm not sure this is the correct term) used on various surfaces and articles to detect semen but from what I have read none was discovered.

christianahannah if you could do a search of Italian media from Nov. 5th to the 17th that might produce the information both Giacomo and Rudi were referring to in the Skype. For some reason Rudi used the word sperm (translated at least).
 
I don't think it has been definitively established what exactly the stain was on Meredith's pillowcase.

I believe that Stafanoni found what she believed was a semen stain on Meredith's pillow (we've all seen the video from Nov 2nd where she told a colleague in ROME that she had found semen stains), so that stain was certainly tested.

If Stefanoni's early suspicions about the 'APPARENT' semen stain were wrong, then the results of that test on the stain should have been given as a matter of course to the defense, but that didn't happen, probably since it was Guede's semen and they already had enough evidence against him, and further evidence against Guede would merely distract from the prosecution's insane witch hunt against Amanda.

I do not find it curious that Stefanoni would speak of semen in a case where a possible sexual assault had taken place. My take is she is speaking of it in general not the specific (as on the pillowcase).

Since there are pictures of an 'apparent' semen stain on Meredith's pillow that was found below Meredith's pubic area, your "TAKE" is clearly wrong.

One of the reasons given (maybe the only) for not disturbing the crime scene and Meredith until forensics had arrived was to not contaminate any possible semen which may have been deposited (mainly concerning Meredith). There was a blue light (I'm not sure this is the correct term) used on various surfaces and articles to detect semen but from what I have read none was discovered.

Not sure if a crime-scope uses a blue-light or not, but over the years I've used a blue light to build a case against various cats that I suspected were pissing in corners, so blue lights can certainly detect bodily fluids, so I'm guessing that it does have that capability, among others.

I don't know if this light was used on the pillowcase (I will guess it was). I do know there was some conversation concerning the stain and the hand/footprints on the pillowcase and it was decided it was more important to preserve it for the hand/footprints rather than test the stain so I think the stain was known before Vinci used his crimescope (or whatever it is called that he used) in May 2009.

CLEARLY, the reason the Italians eventually gave for not testing the stain (i.e., to preserve other evidence on the pillow case), that excuse was too absurd to be believed.

The stain on the pillow case was surely tested, and since its results didn't help the prosecution, the pillow case's test results were buried, along with a 'MOUNTAIN' of other exonerating evidence.
 
It's difficult to separate lies from truth or partial truth in Guede's statements. We can only try to match them up with what the evidence shows, and although some speculate, I don't think we have enough information on Guede's true personality to be able to determine what happened exactly.

On the "remorse" question, I have seen three possibilities that match the evidence. This assumes he did not originally enter the cottage planning on killing Meredith, or anyone, but was there for other reasons:

1) He killed Meredith in a frenzied panic and/or rage. Then, after coming to his senses, freaked out, went to get towels, tried to save her, realized that was not going to work, then left. (this scenario would allow for remorse he was not able to save her)

2) He killed Meredith in a frenzied panic and/or rage, but not a panic/rage where he lost sense of what he was doing. He went to get the towels because he thought maybe he could clean up, maybe even get rid of the body. Coming back from the bathroom, he realized there was way too much blood and mess for that to work. (no real remorse here -- his post murder actions were to try to cover his tracks)

3) He killed Meredith, but not in any panic, but because he realized she was going to tell people he broke in, and/or maybe was pissed that she turned down his advances. Like in scenario 2, he gets the towels to try to clean up. (no real remorse here either)

I've always tended to lean toward scenario #1, because it answers, for me, why he would have murdered her.

There are other plausible scenarios, such as:

4) Guede killed Meredith, but not in any panic, but because he realized she was going to tell people he broke into her apartment (I agree with your #3 up to this point).

Guede then gets the 1st towel to try to clean up a bloody mess prior to raping Meredith (or her corpse) since a bloody mess wasn't all that attractive to him (no real remorse there).

The 2nd towel was likely used by Guede later to quickly swab the floor in the small bathroom and in the hallway between the bathroom and Meredith's bedroom to delay the discovery of her body since ESCAPE was foremost on his mind (after a little late-night partying, of course).

Regardless of a person's opinions on Guede, there is no evidence he ever killed prior to this night. And killing in a way that made such an ugly, bloody scene makes no sense in any rational way. So it follows for me that not only was murder not part of the plan, but something went terribly wrong emotionally to make him kill her in such a violent fashion.

Since my #4 generally agrees with your #3, I agree that Guede didn't plan on murdering Meredith that night. After Guede got trapped in the cottage with Meredith he surely panicked and likely killed her on the spur of the moment.

Even if Guede was never caught for the murder, I suspect Guede may have still been remorseful since there isn't any indication he enjoyed killing women.

Of course, perhaps serial killers are somewhat remorseful after their first KILL, but then they get caught up in the thrill of it all and then they can't stop after their 1st kill? Even so, Guede may have never killed again – who knows?

So, on the topic of remorse, if he freaked out, killed her, then came out of his frenzied emotional state, I can see a moment of "oh my god, what did I do" happening. The problem with this is that I can't quite figure out when and why he raped her, digitally or otherwise, and how that factors in. Not meaning to gross anyone out, just trying to understand what could have happened.

So I think it is possible he had some remorse, but not the way he is trying to describe it in his story to Mignini. At that point, he is trying to play both ends against the middle -- "I was there, but I didn't do it, I swear! And even though I didn't do it, I am not trying to say I am blameless, Oh no!! I feel TERRIBLE that I was not able to save her! And I feel TERRIBLE that I did not call the cops and/or ambulance!" I think the only thing he felt terrible about is the predicament he ended up in. So it is hard to call it true remorse.

All the above is speculation. But it seems to fit the evidence that we have.

Except on a few minor points mentioned above, I generally agree with your speculation.
 
Even if Guede was never caught for the murder, I suspect Guede may have still been remorseful since there isn't any indication he enjoyed killing women.

Of course, perhaps serial killers are somewhat remorseful after their first KILL, but then they get caught up in the thrill of it all and then they can't stop after their 1st kill? Even so, Guede may have never killed again – who knows?

I'll throw in a little amateur psychology here, not based on any research, just what I know about people:

I think it may be likely that serial killers (of which Guede is not, perhaps because he was caught the first time), may feel remorse, but that just feeds their self-loathing, likely generated from childhood. They then kill again, at least partly because it makes them feel in control and powerful, but then they regret it again, which feeds the whole cycle.
 
christianahannah if you could do a search of Italian media from Nov. 5th to the 17th that might produce the information both Giacomo and Rudi were referring to in the Skype. For some reason Rudi used the word sperm (translated at least).

Here is one such article dated November 11 from Corriere Della Sera. It documents traces of sperm found in the rectum (which we now know was not valid according to court documents and forensic tests). While Corriere Della Sera is usually my go to for information they are like any other media and err at times.

Nel retto sono state trovate tracce di sperma, Giacomo ha detto agli inquirenti che a quanto gli risulta lei non praticava rapporti di quel tipo.

http://cinquantamila.corriere.it/storyTellerThread.php?threadId=ARMEccoChiSonoMeredithAmandaERaffae

I doubt this is the article Rudy is referring to, however, I would imagine this information was written in other journals during this same time frame.

Ken Dine my memory of the youtube video you reference was of Stefanoni and collection of swabs to test for sperm/semen but my memory may be faulty or I may be thinking of a totally different video.
 
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