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Dylann Roof: The Second Amendment Strikes Again

NoahFence said:
Really?

Your google-fu needs work.
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Reading comprehension?

As far as I have been able to determine, there has never been a criminal assault or murder committed using a rifle mounted bayonet.

The bayonet was wielded by hand, not mounted on the evil bayonet mount on a semi-auto rifle.
 
Yuchi1 said:
The constant benchmark reference of the U.K., Canada & Australia gun situation to that of the USA is a red herring. Those countries are already socialist, nanny-state entities and to compare them to the USA is apples-to-oranges.
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I agree, this is a good point ... it's not a equal or fair comparison.
 
BStrong said:
Reading comprehension?

As far as I have been able to determine, there has never been a criminal assault or murder committed using a rifle mounted bayonet.

The bayonet was wielded by hand, not mounted on the evil bayonet mount on a semi-auto rifle.
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Exactly, so it was a knife that time, bayonets aren't even good knives.
 
BStrong said:
Reading comprehension?

As far as I have been able to determine, there has never been a criminal assault or murder committed using a rifle mounted bayonet.

The bayonet was wielded by hand, not mounted on the evil bayonet mount on a semi-auto rifle.
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I stand corrected.

Is that really a thing gun folks are concerned about?
 
Yet again, the anti side has marshalled awful arguments that do more to convince me that pro second amendment folks are still mostly in the right.
I'll never own a gun but I'll never support tossing the 2nd and instead I favor enforcement of the laws already in place.
 
Yuchi1 said:
https://library.stanford.edu/projects/mass-shootings-america

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/2...o-show-phony-increase-in-mass-shootings-says/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...and-mass-shootings-myths-facts-and-solutions/
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Nice. That first link pretty much sums it up. Disgusting display of citizen apathy towards mass shootings.

FWIW, I did say "seemingly". You can't deny that mass shootings happen in US with alarming* frequency. You also can't deny that as a country, we don't give a crap.


*I am not going to play your game and put a number on "alarmingly". Sorry.
 
Monketi Ghost said:
Yet again, the anti side has marshalled awful arguments that do more to convince me that pro second amendment folks are still mostly in the right.
I'll never own a gun but I'll never support tossing the 2nd and instead I favor enforcement of the laws already in place.
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Neither will the majority of the country. Only the fringe extreme want to "toss" the 2nd. I reserve the right to alter that perception in the unlikely event that there is actually a mass shooting that changes anything.
 
NoahFence said:
Nice. That first link pretty much sums it up. Disgusting display of citizen apathy towards mass shootings.

FWIW, I did say "seemingly". You can't deny that mass shootings happen in US with alarming* frequency. You also can't deny that as a country, we don't give a crap.


*I am not going to play your game and put a number on "alarmingly". Sorry.
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OK, just remember this exchange whilst you're standing in the school/mall/theater looking at the barrel of a pistol in the hands of a whacko, right before you see the bright flash....
 
Molinaro said:
And that right there highlights the problem.

It just come so naturally for Americans to jump to the conclusion that any problem can be solved by shooting someone.
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Plus, wouldn't going out to Wal-Mart to buy a gun to shoot your husband be considered premeditated murder regardless of the domestic abuse ? Wouldn't it be better to leave while you're out of the house ?

What should happen is better screening for people with criminal records or mental health issues. Guns aren't like carrots.
 
Yuchi1 said:
OK, just remember this exchange whilst you're standing in the school/mall/theater looking at the barrel of a pistol in the hands of a whacko, right before you see the bright flash....
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??
WTF does that even mean?

I am sick of the apathy toward mass shootings in this country so you hope I get my face blown off in a mass shooting?
 
Yuchi1 said:
The constant benchmark reference of the U.K., Canada & Australia gun situation to that of the USA is a red herring. Those countries are already socialist, nanny-state entities and to compare them to the USA is apples-to-oranges.
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More like macintosh apples to northern spy apples. Same language (although Canada throws in French for free), similar histories (Canada and the US), similar political and legal systems.

The fact is that US has over 80 weapons/100 people (wiki), higher than anywhere else in the world. If that level of (legally owned, the survey didn't attempt to address illegally owned weapons) armament is insufficient to protect you and keep you safe, then perhaps more guns aren't the answer to the problem and the US should perhaps think outside the box for a solution.

The US is not such a unique little snowflake that examples and solutions from other nation states can't work there.
 
NoahFence said:
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WTF does that even mean?

I am sick of the apathy toward mass shootings in this country so you hope I get my face blown off in a mass shooting?
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It means you just became a victim of the social engineering PC'ness that is inherent in those bent upon making us another nanny-state.

Apathy? IMO, what you're misconstruing is the disgust many people have toward the social engineers efforts to make cowards of us all.

It's OK to admit you're afraid to defend yourself and instead rely upon a secondary source for "protection". Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
 
Ziggurat said:
Roof purchased the gun in April. It was more than a month before he murdered those people. How long a wait period do you think would have worked? Even if it had been, say, a 3 month waiting period, why should we believe he wouldn't have just waited, rather than giving up on his plan?

And lastly, why do you want poor women under threat of domestic violence to be unable to defend themselves? Because that's what a waiting period does: it renders them defenseless.
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Inserting a gun into a domestic violence case always leads to a good outcome.
 
Yuchi1 said:
It means you just became a victim of the social engineering PC'ness that is inherent in those bent upon making us another nanny-state.
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Riiighhtt. Psycho-babble. You're doing it wrong. You're only projecting YOUR fears onto others. That's all you're doing.

Apathy? IMO, what you're misconstruing is the disgust many people have toward the social engineers efforts to make cowards of us all.
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OOH! A conspiracy! How exciting!

It's OK to admit you're afraid to defend yourself and instead rely upon a secondary source for "protection". Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
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Please quote the post where I admitted I was afraid to defend myself, or apologize for putting words in my mouth.
 
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Border Reiver said:
More like macintosh apples to northern spy apples. Same language (although Canada throws in French for free), similar histories (Canada and the US), similar political and legal systems.

The fact is that US has over 80 weapons/100 people (wiki), higher than anywhere else in the world. If that level of (legally owned, the survey didn't attempt to address illegally owned weapons) armament is insufficient to protect you and keep you safe, then perhaps more guns aren't the answer to the problem and the US should perhaps think outside the box for a solution.

The US is not such a unique little snowflake that examples and solutions from other nation states can't work there.
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As stated before, civilian possession of firearms via the Second Amendment is primarily to protect the people from their own "government", first and foremost. Hunting and self-defense are additional benefits thereof.

BTW, all of the Canadians that I've personally met are great people, just wouldn't want to live under their form of rule. Of course, 99% of these guys are from western Canada.
 
rommelrommel said:
And the police do what? Babysit the woman 24/7 indefinitely? Go arrest the loser if they have enough evidence and hope he cools off while in jail? Take a report and follow up later?

As someone paid by the government to carry a gun and enforce the law I can vouch that the gun helps. But, you do need the training and the mindset to use it if necessary. If guns didn't solve certain problems so well police wouldn't carry them.
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Guns don't shoot people but they do solve problems?
 
Yuchi1 said:
As stated before, civilian possession of firearms via the Second Amendment is primarily to protect the people from their own "government", first and foremost. Hunting and self-defense are additional benefits thereof.
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One of my personal favorite intentional misinterpretations of the 2nd Amendment.

Why is government in quotes?
 
LTC8K6 said:
Roof was a mentally ill maniac.

I think this is a case where keeping him from having a gun really wouldn't have stopped him.

He would have made a bomb, or driven a car through a crowd, or whatever else he could think of that would have killed the people his derangement was focused on.

I still can't understand why the government would take away my guns because of what someone else did with a gun.
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King James Bible
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other thing, shall be able to separate me from the love of my gun..
 
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