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Dylann Roof: The Second Amendment Strikes Again

Yeggster said:
Are you also afraid of blunt objects? .. people are killed much more frequently by these.
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I have been afraid of blunt objects plenty of times, and at other times not at all.

I have found that the amount of fear that a blunt object may cause is rather dependent upon how the blunt object is being used at that moment.
 
Yeggster said:
That doesn't address your fear ... since you see at least MANY people are killed by blunt objects ... or say by drunk drivers are you also afraid of these things?
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I wasn't addressing fear, I was addressing your statement that blunt object kill people more frequently than guns. That is a brazen mistruth that is wrong by a factor of about 20. And that's just homicides. It doesn't include the 20,000 suicides and 1000 accidents.
 
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bit_pattern said:
I wasn't addressing fear, I was addressing your statement that blunt object kill people more frequently than guns. That is a brazen mistruth that is wrong by a factor of about 20. And that's just homicides. It doesn't include the 20,000 suicides and 1000 accidents.
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But really no one cares about suicides, as we need to stop closing bridges just because someone jumped off it. Scrape them into the nearest ditch and keep traffic moving.
 
Yeggster said:
That doesn't address your fear ... since you see at least MANY people are killed by blunt objects ... or say by drunk drivers are you also afraid of these things?
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The next time someone tries a drive-by bludgeoning with a tire iron and misses, and the object flies through the window of a house and kills an innocent kid you let me know....
 
bit_pattern said:
I wasn't addressing fear, I was addressing your statement that blunt object kill people more frequently than guns. That is a brazen mistruth that is wrong by a factor of about 20. And that's just homicides. It doesn't include the 20,000 suicides and 1000 accidents.
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That was obvious you don;t need to repeat it ... but seemed like just a way of avoiding my question I restated my question to suit your report.

BTW suicides are not increased by the fact there may or may not be firearms present and should not be included in the stats (as I see you took account of) in areas where firearms are not prevalent suicides are just accomplished with other tools.

Housefly I think I was referring to a RIFLE specific statistic I read ... so good catch assuming your stats are correct .., it was some article about banning certain types of rifles (long guns)
 
NoahFence said:
The next time someone tries a drive-by bludgeoning with a tire iron and misses, and the object flies through the window of a house and kills an innocent kid you let me know....
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So now you're talking about ACCIDENTAL deaths? Particularly ones involving people driving vehicles? Yes I agree vehicles are MUCH more dangerous than firearms.
 
Yeggster said:
So now you're talking about ACCIDENTAL deaths? Particularly ones involving people driving vehicles? Yes I agree vehicles are MUCH more dangerous than firearms.
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I am rather clearly illustrating the difference between guns and blunt objects. I'm not shocked you ignore that.

FWIW, there's nothing accidental about a failed drive-by that results in the death of an innocent bystander. AT ALL.
 
NoahFence said:
We will never have a ban on all guns.
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I like to never say never. I'm sure that there were people who thought we would never be able to ban slavery, either. Just because something's in the Constitution doesn't mean it can't go away. I will grant you that it probably won't go away soon, though that doesn't mean we should stop trying.

Yeggster said:
It's easy when it's not YOUR ox being gored eh?:( ... how about they confiscate $3000 worth of your video game consoles computer and TV's ... because they create violent offenders? (just an exaggeration to make a point BTW)
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YEESH. Well, at least it's not the same old "swimming pool" analogy, so maybe I should give you originality points for coming up with a different ridiculous forced comparison. It's like saying "Oh, you want to ban heroin, huh? How about we ban all vaccines then??? I mean, they're both injected out of needles!" (A much, much more accurate analogy than guns and video games, by the way...)
 
NoahFence said:
I am rather clearly illustrating the difference between guns and blunt objects. I'm not shocked you ignore that.

FWIW, there's nothing accidental about a failed drive-by that results in the death of an innocent bystander. AT ALL.
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You were just giving a silly analogy ... so I replied with a silly answer.

But still ...

How many innocent Children have been killed by drunk drivers, yet we continue to promote and sell alcohol?
 
NoahFence said:
The next time someone tries a drive-by bludgeoning with a tire iron and misses, and the object flies through the window of a house and kills an innocent kid you let me know....
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As part of the 1994 crime bill, bayonet mounts were classified as an assault weapon feature and from 1996 to 2006 no semi auto rifle could be produced for civilian sale with a bayo mount.


As far as I have been able to determine, there has never been a criminal assault or murder committed using a rifle mounted bayonet.
 
The constant benchmark reference of the U.K., Canada & Australia gun situation to that of the USA is a red herring. Those countries are already socialist, nanny-state entities and to compare them to the USA is apples-to-oranges.
 
NoahFence said:
You're not listening.

Here in America we have (seemingly) a mass shooting every other week. Canada is at least doing something about it. And naturally it hurts. Maybe even innocent people.

We need to adopt a policy here that does something. Anything!
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The figures I heard were one every ~26 weeks.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
It's like saying "Oh, you want to ban heroin, huh? How about we ban all vaccines then??? I mean, they're both injected out of needles!" (A much, much more accurate analogy than guns and video games, by the way...)
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Very funny yes I get that point of course ... maybe I did;t make my point properly then .. I just meant if it was YOUR stuff being taken ... not trying to compare the guns directly to the video games or drugs etc.

Imagine of the police came and took a bunch of your valuable stuff you like ... that's what I was trying to say.

I was just talking to a customer yesterday who sold some of his firearms to raise money when he was out of work years ago (like to pay rent and buy food) guns are not just shooting bad things ... they are more than that.
 
Yeggster said:
You were just giving a silly analogy ... so I replied with a silly answer.

But still ...
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You think that's a silly analogy? Really? dude.

It's an objective FACT. Innocent bystanders get killed or injured by stray drive-by's all the frickin time. That's just one legitimate reason to be more afraid of guns than of blunt objects, which was the point YOU brought up.

How many innocent Children have been killed by drunk drivers, yet we continue to promote and sell alcohol?
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Start a new thread. Focus.



Man. You gotta up your game here, kiddo.
 
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BStrong said:
As part of the 1994 crime bill, bayonet mounts were classified as an assault weapon feature and from 1996 to 2006 no semi auto rifle could be produced for civilian sale with a bayo mount.


As far as I have been able to determine, there has never been a criminal assault or murder committed using a rifle mounted bayonet.
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Really?

Your google-fu needs work.
 
The purpose of the Second Amendment is not for hunting, not even for self-defense of individuals.

It's purpose is to allow the people an opportunity to protect themselves from their own government (such as if the gov't decides to "forget" the other amendments) by not allowing all of the lethal force to be concentrated with a central government.
 
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