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Dylann Roof: The Second Amendment Strikes Again

NoahFence said:
Unfortunately the default position south of your border is to ignore these things, so the Canadian policy of confiscating guns (got a link btw?) is fine with me.
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Again it's not YOUR money so you don't care :(

I don't know what link you want

A gun club member I know personally, had his firearms confiscated (but he could afford a lawyer and got them back after 6 months) because he said he was going to the gun range after work, someone over heard him at the lunch table and called the police about it.
 
NoahFence said:
That 20% was off the top of my head. It meant nothing other than to illustrate that "liberals" who want to ban all guns are the abject minority.

You know how gun nuts love to claim that the bad guys with guns are the minority? Same thing.

You're the one who demanded I quantify "fringe" with a number by the way. Don't forget that.
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And I found something on guns that cleared the fringe hurdle.

Maybe because my opinions are so extreme, I'm not bothered by the other extreme. I believe automatic weapons should be legal. Saying you want to ban all guns doesn't seem like an unreasonable opinion.
 
Yeggster said:
Again it's not YOUR money so you don't care :(
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You're not listening.

Here in America we have (seemingly) a mass shooting every other week. Canada is at least doing something about it. And naturally it hurts. Maybe even innocent people.

We need to adopt a policy here that does something. Anything!
 
NoahFence said:
You're not listening.

Here in America we have (seemingly) a mass shooting every other week. Canada is at least doing something about it. And naturally it hurts. Maybe even innocent people.

We need to adopt a policy here that does something. Anything!
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And I suggested one ... stop making shooters celebrities!

Stop TV News shows, news papers and books from PROFITING off the death of innocent people!

Im not alone in this opinion EVERY shooter wants to go down in history .. maybe beat the last record number of kills ... just stop it ... its easy to do government ban reporting of news events EVERY week in the US ... it's easy
 
Real problem is the extremist on both sides of the debate tend to dominate the discussion.
You have the Gun Groups who want NO controls on Gun Ownership whatsoever (they even object to background checks) and you have Anti Gun people who,although they deny wanting to ban guns, want to put such heavy restrictions on Gun ownership as to be a de facto ban.

And yeah, Gun Control has proven to be political Kryponite to the Democrats. You have a few who support ultra strict controls but they are from a few almost 100% safe Democratic districts.
 
Yeggster said:
And I suggested one ... stop making shooters celebrities!

Stop TV News shows, news papers and books from PROFITING off the death of innocent people!

Im not alone in this opinion EVERY shooter wants to go down in history .. maybe beat the last record number of kills ... just stop it ... its easy to do government ban reporting of news events EVERY week in the US ... it's easy
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IMO: Not only are these things missing the point but they are all unconstitutional.
 
Yeggster said:
And I suggested one ... stop making shooters celebrities!
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Good suggestion. I wish we would adopt it.

Stop TV News shows, news papers and books from PROFITING off the death of innocent people!
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See above.

I'm not alone in this opinion EVERY shooter wants to go down in history .. maybe beat the last record number of kills ... just stop it ... its easy to do government ban reporting of news events EVERY week in the US ... it's easy
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Not easy. Actually it's more difficult than banning guns as the 1st Amendment is more vital to our nation than the 2nd.
 
RandFan said:
IMO: Not only are these things missing the point but they are all unconstitutional.
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Nope ...banning new reports for public safety has always been legal ... people in the US have been jailed for reporting news items that were banned.

It may miss the point of gun debate ... but I was replyng to a "DO SOMETHING, DO ANYTHING" (to help) post ..... that is something.
 
The problem is that people have varying definitions of "gun control." For most of us, "gun control" means background checks, CCW permits, and the like.

For wingnuts - both pro- and anti- gun rights - "gun control" means "mass confiscation of civilian-owned firearms." Which, let's be honest, is neither practical nor desirable to the vast majority of people on both sides.
 
Yeggster said:
Nope ...banning new reports for public safety has always been legal ... people in the US have been jailed for reporting news items that were banned.
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This is misleading. America gives very wide latitude when it comes to freedom of expression.
 
Yeggster said:
It's endless! ... an acquaintance of mine had ALL his guns confiscated and destroyed ... simply because one of his kids said something stupid on the internet ... this happens every DAY in Canada
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Calling BS on this one.

Canadian law only allows the confiscation of firearms on conviction of specific offences, or if you are found to be in possession of a prohibited weapon.
 
Cleon said:
The problem is that people have varying definitions of "gun control." For most of us, "gun control" means background checks, CCW permits, and the like.

For wingnuts - both pro- and anti- gun rights - "gun control" means "mass confiscation of civilian-owned firearms." Which, let's be honest, is neither practical nor desirable to the vast majority of people on both sides.
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I think concerns of a general March to European type bans makes the wingnuts relatively feasible. What you call wingnut is fairly common in the world.
 
RandFan said:
Just so we are clear. Those sentiments mean nothing. The Democrats had their collective rear ends handed to them on gun control. They can't even get a bill passed that is supported by most gun owners.
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Mainly because:
a) As well as the moderate broad consensus stuff, there’s always some non-starter added (e.g. – some kind of registration, etc)
b) The bills that get proposed after tragedies wouldn’t actually have prevented the tragedies.
 
NoahFence said:
That 20% was off the top of my head. It meant nothing other than to illustrate that "liberals" who want to ban all guns are the abject minority.

You know how gun nuts love to claim that the bad guys with guns are the minority? Same thing.

You're the one who demanded I quantify "fringe" with a number by the way. Don't forget that.
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Look if democracy mattered for this then mandatory background checks would be a thing when buying a gun. But 9/10th is not enough of a majority to get that passed.
 
Yeggster said:
And I suggested one ... stop making shooters celebrities!

Stop TV News shows, news papers and books from PROFITING off the death of innocent people!

Im not alone in this opinion EVERY shooter wants to go down in history .. maybe beat the last record number of kills ... just stop it ... its easy to do government ban reporting of news events EVERY week in the US ... it's easy
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Yes we just need to stop reporting news and then everything will be fine. I mean why bother reporting every time the police murder an innocent man? That just makes people upset for no reason.

The best solution is to outlaw reporting on murders in america.
 
Border Reiver said:
Calling BS on this one.

Canadian law only allows the confiscation of firearms on conviction of specific offences, or if you are found to be in possession of a prohibited weapon.
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100% not true.

Confiscation can be done under "Public Safety" laws with a simple warrant signed by a Justice of Peace ... no charges need be laid .. just the opinion that public safety may be compromised by the owner of the firearms anyone who lives in the same building ... a hearing to destroy the firearms is automatically held a few weeks later.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Yes we just need to stop reporting news and then everything will be fine. I mean why bother reporting every time the police murder an innocent man? That just makes people upset for no reason.

The best solution is to outlaw reporting on murders in america.
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you are exagerating and being silly
 
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