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South Carolina, tear down that flag!

You know what I love most about this?

Democrats put the flag up, and Republicans are taking it down. The partisan sputtering I hear from their partisans is really entertaining.
 
SWEET SMURFY JEBUS ON A POGO STICK WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!?!

Well, apparently, it's a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest as the leader of the robot apocalypse. I assume you can imagine it's eyes glowing as it chomps down on a bird that flew into it's mouth...

:D
 
Well, apparently, it's a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest as the leader of the robot apocalypse. I assume you can imagine it's eyes glowing as it chomps down on a bird that flew into it's mouth...

:D

If ever a statue liked the taste of fresh blood, it's that one.
 
Saw this on Facebook. You respond.......I'm sorry but I'm about to preach and teach!! If you want to fight a cause, understand what you are fighting. First and foremost the Confederate Flag was never a national flag representing the South, it was a battle flag flown by several armies in Virginia. Even if it had been a national flag for the South, understand that the Civil War wasn't just over slavery, while it was the reason slavery ended, it was merely an excuse for the war. The North fought the war over money (the same reason we fight half the wars these days and excuse it by saying we're fighting for another cause. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion, because, and yes this is a true stereotype, us southerners don't like to be told what to do! Lol. The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels. To touch on another subject, many say that it's a symbol of hate because it was flown over slave ships, and that's false but guess what was? The American flag. Many also say it was the KKKs flag... Google KKK.... You will see them flying the American flag more so than the Confederate Flag.The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! I'm not saying this to down the American Flag because I love it just the same. I'm simply saying that, if the Confederate Flag should be removed, why not the American Flag?? The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money.... And did you know? At the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.

Racism is being projected onto the Confederate Flag, which is in return, continuing the division among us. Just because one racist lunatic supported the confederate flag, doesn't mean every person who supports it is a racist.

The rebel flag to me means home. Southern pride. Wheat fields, sunflower fields, deer hunting, hard work, trucks, racing, family, and pride in where I'm from. Born and raised here and damn proud of it. Ignorance "flies" both ways. An item can not be racist, unless you are an easily offended person, or racist yourself.

Just my two cents!!"
 
Saw this on Facebook. You respond.......I'm sorry but I'm about to preach and teach!! If you want to fight a cause, understand what you are fighting. First and foremost the Confederate Flag was never a national flag representing the South, it was a battle flag flown by several armies in Virginia. Even if it had been a national flag for the South, understand that the Civil War wasn't just over slavery, while it was the reason slavery ended, it was merely an excuse for the war. The North fought the war over money

Got a source on that? It wasn't exactly the south that was the better funded military.

Still my favorite southern state is Texas, they twice rebelled so they could legally own blacks, and the first time it was to institute legal slavery as the Immigrants couldn't stand that slavery was not legal in Mexico after they Emigrated there. Talk about crumby immigrants not respecting a nations laws!
 
Got a source on that? It wasn't exactly the south that was the better funded military.

Still my favorite southern state is Texas, they twice rebelled so they could legally own blacks, and the first time it was to institute legal slavery as the Immigrants couldn't stand that slavery was not legal in Mexico after they Emigrated there. Talk about crumby immigrants not respecting a nations laws!
No. Someone posted it on Facebook. I personally think it's all rubbish.
 
Saw this on Facebook.

Just my two cents!!"

Nice story, bro. However, the flag is still racist and has been used to symbolize racist causes ever since it was made. And the Civil War was primarily about slavery.

In other words, you are wrong.
 
Saw this on Facebook. You respond.......I'm sorry but I'm about to preach and teach!! If you want to fight a cause, understand what you are fighting. First and foremost the Confederate Flag was never a national flag representing the South, it was a battle flag flown by several armies in Virginia.

Irrelevant. The symbol of the flag was turned into pure racism by Lost Causers as well as the folks stabbing it at civil rights marchers and the like. battle flag, whatever flag. It has been used by racists since Lee surrendered.

Even if it had been a national flag for the South, understand that the Civil War wasn't just over slavery, while it was the reason slavery ended, it was merely an excuse for the war.

Uh, no. At the end of the day it was over slavery. No other explanation holds water.

The North fought the war over money (the same reason we fight half the wars these days and excuse it by saying we're fighting for another cause. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South.

That sounds like the lame-o Neo confederate claim of 'the war was about tarriffs!!!!!" which has been long debunked.

The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion, because, and yes this is a true stereotype, us southerners don't like to be told what to do!

Northern aggression, so why did they attack Fort Sumnter again?

Apparently Southerners do enjoy telling others what to do, however. Fugutive slave law was telling free states what they had to do with escaped slaves. They also put it in their Constitution that no state could end slavery. Yeah, they don't like being told what to do...sure.

Lol. The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism?

If anti Civil rights jerks start waving the national confederate flag at civil rights marchers or the KKK used that this might have a point.

This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance.

Mostly that of this author.

Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.

No, this is not a bandwagon, it is merely the final straw in a long culminating backlash against the racist institutions that have been allowed free reign in the southern states.

To touch on another subject, many say that it's a symbol of hate because it was flown over slave ships, and that's false but guess what was? The American flag.

Irrelevant. I've never heard this claim and slave ships stopped showing up on our shores long before the confederacy existed.

Many also say it was the KKKs flag... Google KKK.... You will see them flying the American flag more so than the Confederate Flag.

The 1920's KKK creeped (which my Google search turns up most images of) into the northern states on a pedestal of racism and anti-Catholicism. The original KKK used the battle flag. The present day KKK uses the confederate flag.

The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years!

Part of the nation was free.

I'm not saying this to down the American Flag because I love it just the same. I'm simply saying that, if the Confederate Flag should be removed, why not the American Flag??

Because part of that nation was free, and that part enventually fought very hard to bring about the end of slavery.

The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities.

Not really. The north had a lot of conflicts about slavery.

It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected.

And why did the South leave the union? Golly, because they didn't get all they wanted (i.e. more slave states in the Union)

The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money....

The North knew that secession is a disease that will only cause more divisions. The money argument is nonsense. The northern industries were not exaclty poor, as the fact that the Union army was almost constantly well equipped.

And did you know? At the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South.

BULLLLLLL-SH************

Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.

This is getting outright delusional. The south had gone to huge efforts to justify slavery and promote its expansion.

Racism is being projected onto the Confederate Flag, which is in return, continuing the division among us. Just because one racist lunatic supported the confederate flag, doesn't mean every person who supports it is a racist.

The rebel flag to me means home. Southern pride. Wheat fields, sunflower fields, deer hunting, hard work, trucks, racing, family, and pride in where I'm from. Born and raised here and damn proud of it. Ignorance "flies" both ways. An item can not be racist, unless you are an easily offended person, or racist yourself.

Just my two cents!!"

Find another symbol, maybe one that wasn't used to oppress minorities.
 
You know what I love most about this?

Democrats put the flag up, and Republicans are taking it down. The partisan sputtering I hear from their partisans is really entertaining.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I sure don't care what and how party labels were applied 50 years ago. This is 2015 and when I talk Democrats and Republicans, I mean how they act now, not how their fathers and grandfathers acted.
 
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I sure don't care what and how party labels were applied 50 years ago. This is 2015 and when I talk Democrats and Republicans, I mean how they act now, not how their fathers and grandfathers acted.

And make no mistake, it's not republicans who are taking it down. The republicans are finally coming in line with all the others (including democrats) who want it taken down.
 
...understand that the Civil War wasn't just over slavery, while it was the reason slavery ended, it was merely an excuse for the war.


This is just revisionist history from the right.


Georgia's reason for secession...
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.


Mississippi's reason...

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.


South Carolina...

...they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.
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A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.


Texas...

She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?



And Alexander Stephens, the vice-president of the Confederacy, gave his "Cornerstone Speech" a few weeks before the start of the war.


The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

. . . look with confidence to the ultimate universal acknowledgement of the truths upon which our system rests? It is the first government ever instituted upon the principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society. Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature's laws.


Looks like all the fighting really was over slavery.


Steve S
 

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