Continuation - Ukraine erupts in riots and general strikes

[caveman1917]

GOd, it seems as though one poster is so dominating this thread he is driving other posters away. But maybe that is his purpose.

It's funny to see you chasing ghosts like that, still think everyone disagreeing with you is a paid shill? Also, try to reconsider your first statement in light of the existence of the "ignore function" on the forum.

 

[magellan]

GOd, it seems as though one poster is so dominating this thread he is driving other posters away. But maybe that is his purpose.

What i find much more interesting is that after bellingcat goes down in flames, the original posters fall silent, yet fear not: UK2se to the rescue! trying to attack the source and muddy the waters.

 

[LSSBB]

after bellingcat goes down in flames,

Evidence, please.

 

[ProBonoShill]

For you, yes.

Hey if you want to remain ignorant that's up to you.

A blatant lie. Keep trying though, I'm sure if you train hard enough some day you may not have to work pro bono anymore.

Truth hurts eh? Maybe one day if you train hard enough, you can leave the cave.

As anyone can determine, the few times I've actually discussed Russian media I considered it a propaganda machine. As anyone can also determine the claim I was defending had nothing to do with Russian media. Bit's signature comes to mind about the pigeon playing chess.

Link doesn't work, but it seems you're finally willing to admit Russian media isn't even close in terms of freedom when compared to that of Western nations. That wasn't so difficult was it?

 

[jimbob]

What i find much more interesting is that after bellingcat goes down in flames, the original posters fall silent, yet fear not: UK2se to the rescue! trying to attack the source and muddy the waters.

Individual Bellingcat analyses stand or fall on their own. So far I have seen proclamations of victory, but nothing concrete. Certainly nothing about the links I have posted.

Similarly with Childlike Empress retrospectively claiming the Gohouta attacks as being shown to have been a false flag operation.

 

[magellan]

Evidence, please.

I always knew the moonlanding was fake

 

[Childlike Empress]

Similarly with Childlike Empress retrospectively claiming the Gohouta attacks as being shown to have been a false flag operation.

Focus. I was "claiming" in context that Brown Noses' work on that event has also been shown to be fraudulent. I think I provided you evidence for it you ignored as usual. This is an actual chemical weapons expert writing:

This very short summary is aimed at exposing a counterfeit expert and his cohort, Eliot Higgins, who were empowered by a serious failure of the mainstream Western press. This empowerment was due to an essentially complete failure of these major journals to exercise the most rudimentary levels of editorial due diligence. This has resulted in controversy that has no basis in sound science. This ill-informed and inflammatory use of false technical facts by the press could have played a role in a US military involvement in Syria. In addition, it is now clear, as reported by the New York Times itself, that by being a highway for the introduction of extremist Sunni jihadists, Turkey has played a major role in exacerbating an already out-of-control situation.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Wow, look at that. After the "news" that the US is training Neo-Nazis made it even to the Daily Beast, there finally comes this: U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces

WASHINGTON— Late yesterday evening, the U.S. House of Representatives considered H.R. 2685, the “Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2015.” During consideration of the legislation, Congressman John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) and Congressman Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) offered bipartisan amendments to block the training of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary militia “Azov Battalion,” and to prevent the transfer of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles—otherwise known as Man-Portable Air-Defense Systems (MANPADS)—to Iraq or Ukraine.

“If there’s one simple lesson we can take away from US involvement in conflicts overseas, it’s this: Beware of unintended consequences. As was made vividly clear with U.S. involvement in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion decades ago, overzealous military assistance or the hyper-weaponization of conflicts can have destabilizing consequences and ultimately undercut our own national interests,” said Rep. John Conyers. “I am grateful that the House of Representatives unanimously passed my amendments last night to ensure that our military does not train members of the repulsive neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, along with my measures to keep the dangerous and easily trafficked MANPADs out of these unstable regions.” [...]

Maybe the pre$$titutes should start to wonder now if what these "repulsive" forces are doing in Mariupol and other places is protecting or ... occupying.

 

[caveman1917]

Link doesn't work

It was a link to my posting history on the forum, apparently these searches are cached with limited lifetime.

but it seems you're finally willing to admit Russian media isn't even close in terms of freedom

You understand that anyone can check my posting history regarding Russian media to see you're just making stuff up out of thin air?

 

[caveman1917]

Maybe the pre$$titutes should start to wonder now if what these "repulsive" forces are doing in Mariupol and other places is protecting or ... occupying.

Still no problems with the neo-nazi Aidar, Sich, etc battalions apparently.

 

[caveman1917]

evidence for it

Don't you see that (or rather appendix 6 of that) is just an off-the-cuff remark?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Maybe the pre$$titutes should start to wonder now if what these "repulsive" forces are doing in Mariupol and other places is protecting or ... occupying.

Still no problems with the neo-nazi Aidar, Sich, etc battalions apparently.

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There we have it. Talking points directly from the Russian Foreign Ministry:

"It took US Congress over a year to see that the [Azov] battalion is a band of sheer Nazis, sporting the emblem used by Hitler's SS and acting like vigilantes on an occupied territory. But it is better late than never," Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement.

The next step, according to the diplomat, is to finally acknowledge that the 2014 coup in Kiev, Washington eagerly supported, "was carried out by the same Nazi thugs."

"It is evident that other militias within Ukraine's National Guard are no better than Azov. Bloody crimes committed by the Ukrainian nationalists, who burned Odessa residents alive and continue killing women and children in Donbass, have long spoken for themselves," Lukashevich noted.

Coincidence?
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[LSSBB]

I always knew the moonlanding was fake

Then your knowledge was faulty.

 

[caveman1917]

Then your knowledge was faulty.

I believe his point was that using bellingcat's method of "forensic analysis" (notice how the post contains an ELA transformation of the image) one can "show" that NASA manipulated the moon landing images.

 

[caveman1917]

Coincidence?

Want some popcorn for the wild goose chase to come?

 

[LSSBB]

I believe his point was that using bellingcat's method of "forensic analysis" (notice how the post contains an ELA transformation of the image) one can "show" that NASA manipulated the moon landing images.

Then he should say so, and also explain how it supports his point.

 

[caveman1917]

One is our dear Krawetz, whom few people appear to believe in this case, probably because he failed to present any kind of analysis for his claims.

Just to prevent a possible misunderstanding: remember that we're talking about the criticism section that got removed by Volunteer Marek on 1 june.

 

[magellan]

Then he should say so, and also explain how it supports his point.

<SNIP>

According to bellingcat one would expect compression artifacts to be distributed roughly evenly in a picture.
I, having extensive knowledge of the subject (I heard the word compression before and once may have used it in a sentence) expect no such thing. I expect compression artifacts to cluster in areas where the compression algorithm had much to do. Using this expectation i was also able to quickly find a picture of the moonlanding that would produce compression artifact clusters. The LEM and astronaut produce lots of artifacts, the black sky and white ground less.

<SNIP>

Edited by jsfisher: 

Edited for compliance with both Rules 0 and 12 the Membership Agreement.

 

[jimbob]

And this is a complete digression, attacking some evidence when there is a mountain of other perfectly strong evidence* that Russia has been sponsoring the violence in Ukraine.

The Ukrainian regime is not blameless, but the vast majority of the responsibility lies with Russia. Unfortunately, it has fanned the flames sufficiently that the conflict has developed its own momentum.

*Even if you discount most Ukrainian and Western sources, the sudden flaring up of fighting far from the initial conflict area, and the even more sudden reversal of fortunes in the middle of a successful Ukrainian offensive. The separatists suddenly developed a vastly greater military capability right when their capability was being degraded - the Russian story is not believable, whilst the Ukrainian and NATO line that Russian forces intervened fits with the observations.

 

[LSSBB]

<SNIP>

According to bellingcat one would expect compression artifacts to be distributed roughly evenly in a picture.
I, having extensive knowledge of the subject (I heard the word compression before and once may have used it in a sentence) expect no such thing. I expect compression artifacts to cluster in areas where the compression algorithm had much to do. Using this expectation i was also able to quickly find a picture of the moonlanding that would produce compression artifact clusters. The LEM and astronaut produce lots of artifacts, the black sky and white ground less.

<SNIP>

Edited by jsfisher: 

Edited for compliance with both Rules 0 and 12 the Membership Agreement.

What is bellingcat's response, and how much of their analysis depends on compression artifact clustering, and how much does the compression artifact discussion support your overall conclusion?