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Moderated JFK conspiracy theories: it never ends III

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Jango said:
Snipers, be it an individual or a shooter/spotter/flanker combo by default of the term 'sniper' do their utmost to avoid detection.

The shooter is obviously the designated trigger man. The spotter is the person who helps coordinate the sniper's fire, telling him/her to adjust fire, helping with wind/atmospheric conditions, doing the communicating with outside parties (if it is allowed) for extraction or fire support and being, basically, the sniper's bodyguard as well replacement if the designated trigger man is taken out of action. The flanker, IIRC, is used primarily for rear security.
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The problem is that this was not the case in 1963.

There was no "Sniper School" in either the US Army or USMC. Those didn't come about until 1968. How Snipers are deployed in the 21st century has zero bearing on the events of November 1963.

What was present was Lee Harvey Oswald, USMC, and a cheap, but powerful rifle utilized from a great position on the 6th floor of the Schoolbook Depository. Oswald spent time on the range, and would sit on his porch dry-firing his rifle over and over and over. The Mannlicher was a sought after rifle for elephant hunters due to it's accuracy over great distance AND SKULL PENETRATING ABILITIES.

One former Marine, one rifle, and a great shooting location. That's all it took.
 
Trivia question:

In this mammoth thread did any of the CTs bring up Roy Truly and his alleged part in the 'conspiracy'?
 
Hans said:
Trivia question:

In this mammoth thread did any of the CTs bring up Roy Truly and his alleged part in the 'conspiracy'?
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That's a good example of the way they reverse-engineer their conspiracies. Not only him, but Ruth Paine and her neighbor, Linnie Mae Randle, whose brother, Wesley Frazier, worked at the TSBD, and who recommended to Marina through Ruth that LHO apply there to Truly (who hired him as a temp), would have had to have been involved. Evidence that any of them were? That they all had to have been for the conspiracy to get Oswald in the building, whether to be just a patsy or another shooter. This is how you back-fill a plot, not construct a chain of evidence.
 
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Matthew Ellard said:
Yes. I thought ( but do not know) that most sniper teams worked on their own and that finding two locations for two teams would increase inherent detection risks and take time to establish and co ordinate. However the discussion has moved on so I am backing away. It was a tiny insignificant point .
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It is just those tiny insignificant points that grand, all encompassing conspiracy theories emerge!


Since I am posting this, I wanted to point out that Jay made a typo a few pages back. He typed intent instead of intend. By the law of tiny insignificant points, anything he ever posted anywhere needs to be questioned.
 
So now that all is right in this forum, can we get back to the questions still unaddressed?

Or do we start all over from the beginning yet again?

Hank
 
Slightly OT:

I nodded off for a couple of hours earlier. When I woke up I found myself watching an episode of Cagney & Lacey from about 1983. Sad thing is I remember watching it first time round. Mary-Beth's husband, Harvey, was spouting the exact same gibberish that we are all accustomed to from the likes of Jango. Nothing ever changes.
MB was annoyed that Harvey had made a tool of himself in front of her colleagues.

She reminded him of the rule in their marriage that he was only allowed to go into paranoid CT mode once a year on November 22nd.

I like that rule as there isn't enough "theory" to fill an entire year.
 
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BStrong said:
Maybe I'm giving LHO too much credit here, but if he was working according to his training he would have his eye on the front sight blade or the scope reticle, and in firing w/ a good cheek weld he would lose his sight picture in recoil and have to reacquire his sight picture after bringing the rifle out of recoil - it's entirely possible that he didn't see the actual impact but could observe JFK/Jackie and assumed he had scored a good hit.
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For someone who was a good trained shot,,and Oswald was certainly that as his Marine Corps record shows (he was a lousy soldier in most respects but he was a skilled marksmen) the shot was not that difficult.Something the Tin Foilers just do not recognize.
Of all the JFK conspiracy theory nonsense, the idea that Oswald could not have made the shots is the dumbest.
And Don't get me started on the "He could not gotten off all the shots in the time frame" B.S.
 
ComfySlippers said:
Slightly OT:

I nodded off for a couple of hours earlier. When I woke up I found myself watching an episode of Cagney & Lacey from about 1983. Sad thing is I remember watching it first time round. Mary-Beth's husband, Harvey, was spouting the exact same gibberish that we are all accustomed to from the likes of Jango. Nothing ever changes.
MB was annoyed that Harvey had made a tool of himself in front of her colleagues.

She reminded him of the rule in their marriage that he was only allowed to go into paranoid CT mode once a year on November 22nd.

I like that rule as there isn't enough "theory" to fill an entire year.
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Woody Allen spouts the same stuff in a rather humorous situation (avoiding intimacy) in Annie Hall.
 
dudalb said:
For someone who was a good trained shot,,and Oswald was certainly that as his Marine Corps record shows (he was a lousy soldier in most respects but he was a skilled marksmen) the shot was not that difficult.Something the Tin Foilers just do not recognize.
Of all the JFK conspiracy theory nonsense, the idea that Oswald could not have made the shots is the dumbest.
And Don't get me started on the "He could not gotten off all the shots in the time frame" B.S.
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I agree.

Some of the rants on the "impossibility" of the basic mechanics of the shooting, including from some folks you'd believe would know better, are pathetic.
 
What groups (that existed in that time period) haven't been accused of being in on the plot?
 
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