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Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Follain is SUNDAY TIMES. Richard Owen TIMES is a joy to read due to his great attention to detail and facts which speak for themselves.


Ahhh I get it! The Times is a quality broadsheet, while The Sunday Times (its close stablemate, generally regarded as a far greater investigative newspaper than its weekly sibling) is a sensationalist rag.

Got it now! :D
 
Follain is SUNDAY TIMES. Richard Owen TIMES is a joy to read due to his great attention to detail and facts which speak for themselves.

Why even bother gathering genuine quotes when the facts speak for themselves?

Tabloid writers are perfectly justified inventing entire court hearings, as has been done, btw, by the Daily Mail no less, as fine a tabloid to be found anywhere in the UK, you should be very proud. Maybe others too, perhaps you can recall them?
 
Why even bother gathering genuine quotes when the facts speak for themselves?

Tabloid writers are perfectly justified inventing entire court hearings, as has been done, btw, by the Daily Mail no less, as fine a tabloid to be found anywhere in the UK, you should be very proud. Maybe others too, perhaps you can recall them?

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

The TIMES, TELEGRAPH, INDEPENDENT and the GUARDIAN are usually quite good, except when they are dumbing down for the US market.
 
Why would there be controversy? He admits being in the murder room and touching her. Why would he challenge something that shows he did that?


The most important point about Guede - by far - in this regard is his hand print found, made by Kercher's blood, on the pillowcase underneath Kercher's hips, coupled with his epithelial DNA found inside her genital area.

Those two pieces of evidence are extremely important in the case against Guede. The DNA proves that he had some level of sexual contact with Kercher's genitals, almost certainly close to the time of her death. The hand print is even more damning, in that it definitively places Guede at the murder scene within a defined time frame - the time between the victim being stabbed and the following morning.

Guede and his lawyers knew very well indeed that they couldn't hope to argue that Guede wasn't there, nor that he'd had sexual contact with Kercher. The evidence to the contrary was strong and reliable. That's precisely why they had to cook up a story where Guede could a) claim prior consensual sexual contact with Kercher, and b) place himself in Kercher's room shortly after the stabbing, all while claiming that he himself had nothing to do with the actual attack and murder.

The DNA on the handbag (purse) and on Kercher's Adidas tracksuit top are really neither here nor there in terms of proving Guede's presence and level of sexual contact with Kercher. As I've argued many times before, Guede could (and would) have gone down for murder based on nothing more than his palm print, his DNA in the genitals, and his post-murder behaviour (the trip out dancing later that same night, plus the flight to Germany).
 
Camera. Amanda said that pictures of her and Meredith were on that camera (picture of which has been posted at IA in connection to her search warrant-copy also posted at IA). She can now ask for her property back including her computer and camera.

I hope the authorities release her possessions including her camera and computer. It would be interesting to see what the data shows, what if anything was deleted and the date/time it occurred, and if anything can be recovered this many years later.

Perhaps her Italian attorneys should have the items examined by a trustworthy Italian technical team and any irregularities noted, documented, and reported to the ISC while it is still writing the motivation. The ISC's verdict is the basis under which the authorities return Amanda's and Raffaele's possessions. I would want the ISC whilst still writing their motivation report to be formally informed by Amanda's lawyers of any irregularity that occurred to the camera and computers while in police or prosecution custody.

Check the items for any evidence of surreptitious entry by authorities in the days before the arrests, including illicit usage, deletions, and planting of any police monitoring software.
 
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Follain is SUNDAY TIMES. Richard Owen TIMES is a joy to read due to his great attention to detail and facts which speak for themselves.

You've cited Owen numerously. And we've shown you that he was wrong on the facts.
 
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

The TIMES, TELEGRAPH, INDEPENDENT and the GUARDIAN are usually quite good, except when they are dumbing down for the US market.



I really, REALLY recommend you read "Flat Earth News" by Nick Davies. Then come back and tell us which newspapers you recommend for publishing reporting that is free of falsehood, distortion and propaganda :D
 
de rigeur
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de rigeur (formal)
if something is de rigeur, it is necessary if you want to be thought fashionable or if you want to follow a custom Leather jackets and jeans are still de rigeur for hard rock fans.
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No. As with so many other things, you are completely wrong about the spelling of de rigueur. It's straight from the French.
 
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

The TIMES, TELEGRAPH, INDEPENDENT and the GUARDIAN are usually quite good, except when they are dumbing down for the US market.

So you admit I am witty! Guess I'll bank the compliment!

I do enjoy the Guardian, I must admit. BUt the rest have been blindingly stupid at times in covering this very story.
 
Why would there be controversy? He admits being in the murder room and touching her. Why would he challenge something that shows he did that?

Logic always seem to escape guilters. They just don't get it. The DNA evidence against Rudy is irrelevant. Rudy in fact has a story for all of it, even BEFORE he was arrested. He NEVER contests it in any way. He admits penetrating Meredith with his finger and says his DNA is there as a result of petting.

Determining Rudy's guilt is more about do we believe his story.
 
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

The TIMES, TELEGRAPH, INDEPENDENT and the GUARDIAN are usually quite good, except when they are dumbing down for the US market.

Yeah, those US residents are obviously inferior to the news readers in the UK. The people in the US need to learn a thing or two from the Times, et al. Good thing that England didn't let those idiots break free, and still rules the world as it's most powerful ...

Oh wait!
 
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

The TIMES, TELEGRAPH, INDEPENDENT and the GUARDIAN are usually quite good, except when they are dumbing down for the US market.

I agree the papers you list have to dumb down their writing for the US market. They have to shorted it - even shorten words. "Labour" becomes "labor", "whilst" becomes "while", "nappie" becomes "diaper", and a "Perugia trial open to the public with hundreds of journalists in attendance" in the US is called a "circus". :p
 
The most important point about Guede - by far - in this regard is his hand print found, made by Kercher's blood, on the pillowcase underneath Kercher's hips, coupled with his epithelial DNA found inside her genital area.

Those two pieces of evidence are extremely important in the case against Guede. The DNA proves that he had some level of sexual contact with Kercher's genitals, almost certainly close to the time of her death. The hand print is even more damning, in that it definitively places Guede at the murder scene within a defined time frame - the time between the victim being stabbed and the following morning.

Guede and his lawyers knew very well indeed that they couldn't hope to argue that Guede wasn't there, nor that he'd had sexual contact with Kercher. The evidence to the contrary was strong and reliable. That's precisely why they had to cook up a story where Guede could a) claim prior consensual sexual contact with Kercher, and b) place himself in Kercher's room shortly after the stabbing, all while claiming that he himself had nothing to do with the actual attack and murder.

The DNA on the handbag (purse) and on Kercher's Adidas tracksuit top are really neither here nor there in terms of proving Guede's presence and level of sexual contact with Kercher. As I've argued many times before, Guede could (and would) have gone down for murder based on nothing more than his palm print, his DNA in the genitals, and his post-murder behaviour (the trip out dancing later that same night, plus the flight to Germany).

Agree with what you have written. While others may fault the police or Stefanoni for their method and treatment of evidence collection (I think you do) I do not. The pillowcase pointed to Rudy as did the several specimens of DNA collected using the y-haplotype test.

I do not know if the results would have been different had they tested the body temperature before collecting the swabs, tested the stain on the pillowcase (thus possibly compromising the shoe and hand print evidence), but they didn't do these things and Rudy was convicted of Meredith's death as a result.
 
Logic always seem to escape guilters. They just don't get it. The DNA evidence against Rudy is irrelevant. Rudy in fact has a story for all of it, even BEFORE he was arrested. He NEVER contests it in any way. He admits penetrating Meredith with his finger and says his DNA is there as a result of petting.

Determining Rudy's guilt is more about do we believe his story.

I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but I think the DNA evidence against Rudy is very relevant especially when put all together and with the other evidence against him.
 
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

The TIMES, TELEGRAPH, INDEPENDENT and the GUARDIAN are usually quite good, except when they are dumbing down for the US market.

And by the way, I thought 'Puns' were the lowest form of wit?
 
I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but I think the DNA evidence against Rudy is very relevant especially when put all together and with the other evidence against him.

Hi CHCHCH,

I'm not sure where we left off, but is there any evidence you are aware of that you believe incriminates Amanda or Raffaele in this crime?
 
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