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Michael Brown shooting II

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Upchurch said:
I never said he wasn't arrested. My complaint is that you were cherry-picking the narcotics aspect, which turned to be bogus, while neglecting the possible ulterior motive the police might have for harassing Johnson.

Of course, I don't blame you for not knowing about the other issues, since your article didn't mention them. That's why I provided another for a more complete picture.
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Oh okay, so an article from yesterday, that I posted yesterday, didn't contain information that wasn't reported until the next day. Gotcha. Boy, is my face red. I'll be sure to use my TARDIS to nip out for newspapers from now on. Thanks!
 
HenryLee said:
Oh okay, so an article from yesterday, that I posted yesterday, didn't contain information that wasn't reported until the next day. Gotcha. Boy, is my face red. I'll be sure to use my TARDIS to nip out for newspapers from now on. Thanks!
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There's no need to be snarky. I said I didn't blame you for not know that other stuff.
 
Upchurch said:
There's no need to be snarky. I said I didn't blame you for not know that other stuff.
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So, what then? Getting arrested the same day his suit against the city became public(which I did know about since I was the one who posted it in the thread) doesn't qualify as bad luck?
 
HenryLee said:
So, what then? Getting arrested the same day his suit against the city became public(which I did know about since I was the one who posted it in the thread) doesn't qualify as bad luck?
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That depends on whether luck had anything to do with it.

<insert Obi-Wan quote here>
 
Upchurch said:
Absolutely. People are criminals when the evidence supports that they have broken the law until, IMHO, the point when they have paid their debt to society through prison time, fines, community service, etc.

When are they criminals in your world, carlitos? When a cop says they're criminals?
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When they drink purple drank in public, accompany shoplifters and folks who commit petty assault on storekeepers, associate with weapons-bearing gang bangers, interfere with arrest of their thug brother. That sort of thing.

Tell me truly - do you seriously believe that we won't be discussing a rap sheet a mile long for Mr. Johnson in a couple of years' time? Are his life choices the result of police "harassment" or is he a criminal?
 
carlitos said:
When they drink purple drank in public, accompany shoplifters and folks who commit petty assault on storekeepers, associate with weapons-bearing gang bangers, interfere with arrest of their thug brother. That sort of thing.
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You do realize that only one of those things is actually illegal, right? And even that is only being charged as a misdemeanor?

That is a horrible standard for deciding that someone is a criminal.

carlitos said:
Tell me truly - do you seriously believe that we won't be discussing a rap sheet a mile long for Mr. Johnson in a couple of years' time?
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If we are, given the current evidence, it seems likely that it will be because people will be jumping on anything they can to crow that he is a criminal, rather than looking at the evidence and applying critical thinking.


carlitos said:
Are his life choices the result of police "harassment" or is he a criminal?
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Which life choices are we talking about?
 
He wasn't in Ferguson when he was arrested, though he was only a few miles away from the edge of it. I wonder if the cops had any idea who he was at the time.

The cops were called out by someone “reporting a large group of subjects who were possibly armed with firearms.” If this "someone" was a citizen then it doesn't sound like he was being targeted by the cops.

Did they only discover that his brother was wanted for questioning in relation to an armed robbery once they arrived on the scene, or perhaps after they'd arrested him?

In either case, did they know Dorian Johnson was "Dorian Johnson" at the time?

Coincidences are a common form of "evidence" in the Paranormal section here, so that is not enough to expose any kind of conspiracy. There's a Conspiracy Theory section here as well :wink: Seems to me if he'd just stood there and not interfered he wouldn't have been in trouble. It's also possible that all the cops in the area are out to get him too.

The only evidence we have so far has been supplied by the police. There is no evidence, yet, to lead me to suspect the cops of harassing him.
 
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Mike! said:
The makeshift memorial is being relocated, the street is being repaved, a permanent memorial is in place, and Mom takes a lump of asphalt home as a keepsake.
http://fox2now.com/2015/05/21/ferguson-paves-over-former-location-of-mike-brown-memorial/

http://www.ksdk.com/picture-gallery...nteers-clear-michael-brown-memorial/27672835/
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Eesh. She gonna tour the nation with it in a tent, accepting donations to touch the spot where the Gentle Giant fell?

I wonder how much of the "afterglow of smiles" he left was on the faces of those whose businesses and livelihoods were destroyed.
 
Upchurch said:
I'm only speculating based on the timing. And now because the charges amounted to nothing.
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They didn't amount to nothing, they amounted to him being charged with a crime. Which in turn makes him a criminal. Whether you choose to disregard that or not is completely up to you.

The timing you're referring to is all on Dorian Johnson. He chose the timing as he was the one that chose to commit the crime at the time he did. Your apologizing for his every mistake is fun to watch, but seriously, the cops aren't chasing him. You're implying that every cop knew that he had filed a lawsuit and then took steps to harass him because of that. Is there any evidence at all that the cops on the scene knew jack **** about the lawsuit?
 
plague311 said:
They didn't amount to nothing, they amounted to him being charged with a crime. Which in turn makes him a criminal. Whether you choose to disregard that or not is completely up to you.
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No, it doesn't. Being convicted of a crime makes him a criminal, which to my knowledge hasn't happened yet. Are you choosing to disregard due process?

plague311 said:
The timing you're referring to is all on Dorian Johnson. He chose the timing as he was the one that chose to commit the crime at the time he did.
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What are you talking about?

He chose to the timing of not having a gun and not having narcotics when the police approached him? There wouldn't have even been resisting arrest if the police hadn't arrested him for things he wasn't doing. They approached him, not the other way around.

plague311 said:
Your apologizing for his every mistake is fun to watch
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I'm not apologizing for anyone. I'm exercising critical thinking. I'm pointing out the facts and not jumping to conclusions. carlitos was declared Johnson a criminal for reasons that aren't even against the law. You are declaring him a criminal without the benefit of due process.
 
Upchurch said:
No, it doesn't. Being convicted of a crime makes him a criminal, which to my knowledge hasn't happened yet. Are you choosing to disregard due process?
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He has also been convicted of multiple crimes previous to this one. So yes, it does. He's still a criminal, these latest charges are just the newest evidence he's a criminal. I'm not disregarding anything.

Upchurch said:
What are you talking about?

He chose to the timing of not having a gun and not having narcotics when the police approached him? There wouldn't have even been resisting arrest if the police hadn't arrested him for things he wasn't doing. They approached him, not the other way around.
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Why did they approach him Upchurch? Did these cops just say "Hey! That's Dorian Johnson, I heard he filed a lawsuit. We should absolutely try and arrest him for it, because we're just that shady!"

They approached him because someone called the police. The cops didn't just play the "pick a black man" game, and start bothering him.

Upchurch said:
I'm not apologizing for anyone. I'm exercising critical thinking. I'm pointing out the facts and not jumping to conclusions. carlitos was declared Johnson a criminal for reasons that aren't even against the law. You are declaring him a criminal without the benefit of due process.
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Visit my first point, I'm calling him a criminal because he has been convicted of crimes, and is now facing more criminal charges. Thanks for telling me what I'm doing though, I have no idea how I have been able to manage posting here for as long as I have without your helpful deciphering of my posts.
 
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