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Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Vixen said:
I am familiar with the EC Human Rights Act.

Censorship of the forensic evidence: Let's start with ROLLING STONE. This early article gained great popular support for Amanda, when it is complete PR fiction.


http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-neverending-nightmare-of-amanda-knox-20110627

This is the same publication who regard the Boston Bomber a cover page pin up.
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I would be interested to know which parts of it you object to. There's one sentence I can't agree with, though:

And yet, less than a day after her murder, Meredith Kercher was all but forgotten.​

Meredith must be one of the least-forgotten murder victims in history.
 
RWVBWL said:
Greetings,

Have a great day Vixen,
RW
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RW could you see if Frank wrote about the testing of the knife and whether the defense experts were able to attend.

Not at all important but just curious.
 
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Vixen said:
This is a direct quote from a highly regarded journalist, of a prestgious broadsheet. Those were the facts to the best of their knowledge at the time.

Look up the meaning of "lie" and COME OUT OF THE PLAYGROUND.
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Why are you posting information purporting to be facts, but which were subsequently shown from real evidence to be wrong? What does it matter if Owen is well regarded or not? If his information is wrong then he is not helpful to us.

We try to get to the truth here. That's the point of the forum. What's your point?
 
9:27-9:28!

Vixen said:
Janovic (_?) was not Polish, she was Serbian or Croatian.

The time she arrived at Raf's can only be an estimate, because who looks at their watch for the exact time and remembers it, especially a couple of days later?
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Hey Vixen,
Antonio "the tramp" Curatolo can!

Didn't Curatolo tell Judge Massei that the kids were seen outside at exactly, what was it, 9:27 or 9:28pm?

From old Perugia Shock,
March of 2009:
Curatolo was so worried about fixing the time that besides recalling that he goes to check it to the electronic board --on the other side of the square-- he added, today, that he also checks it on his own watch. But he had always stated not to have a watch. So Massei asked him to show his watch. And he didn't have it. Massei asked him if he could be more precise about his arrival time because 21:30-22:00 was a bit vague. And he did get more precise, much more precise: 21:27-21:28!


Link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20101015182429/http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
 
 
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Vixen said:
I have already told you, journalists in the USA, had to go through Gogeety Marriott, the firm Amanda PAID for to do PR for her within days of being arrested, and then agree as part of the contract to speak to lawyers, Amanda or the family, that their article or broadcast would be vetted by Gogerty Marriott before being released.
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The most troubling thing would be if you actually believed this, and weren't just pushing this as some misguided loyalty to the former guilt campaign. You seem determined to push on with that campaign long after it has collapsed.

Vixen - how on earth do you link this journalistic American conspiracy with the Italian courts - courts in Italy!!! - which have fully exonerated them?

Wow - that Seattle PR firm must be powerful!!!
 
carbonjam72 said:
I only asked for one paragraph from Hellman's acquittal that Vixen felt wasn't well reasoned. And surprise, surprise, we're still waiting.

Also, I may have to apologize to Mach, if he ever returns. Apparently the masons do seem to get around:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...fraternal-police-officers-20150507-story.html
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I can give you one example of sloppy reasoning, now.

Curatolo: Hellmann concludes Curatolo must have seen Raf and Amanda on 31.10.2007, not 1.11.2007.

He did not trouble himself to discover Raf was at his IIRC brother-in-law's graduation party, on 31.10.2007. Doh_!

BTW the same party he would later claim to journalist, Kate Mansey, of the DAILY MIRROR was his and Amanda's alibi for the murder night.

He also bragged to Ms Mansey Amanda had found the body.

:footinmou. LMAO
 
Antony said:
I would be interested to know which parts of it you object to. There's one sentence I can't agree with, though:

And yet, less than a day after her murder, Meredith Kercher was all but forgotten.​

Meredith must be one of the least-forgotten murder victims in history.
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Not sure I produced the original article, but it rambled on about how Amanda had been "railroaded" and subjected to all manner of police brutality. Pure PR-speak

No mention of the evidence against her found at the scene.

For example, Meredith's blood on the tap mixed with hers.
 
Bruce Fischer said:
Do you honestly feel that Amanda's family had the power to control the media? If that was the case (it was not the case of course, to suggest so would be absurd), don't you think the media would have been more favorable early on?

Do you have proof to back up your claims of contracts to speak to lawyers, Amanda or the family? Do you have proof to back up your claims that broadcasts and articles were vetted by Gogerty Marriott?
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Standard contract for a PR agent.
 
Bill Williams said:
The most troubling thing would be if you actually believed this, and weren't just pushing this as some misguided loyalty to the former guilt campaign. You seem determined to push on with that campaign long after it has collapsed.

Vixen - how on earth do you link this journalistic American conspiracy with the Italian courts - courts in Italy!!! - which have fully exonerated them?

Wow - that Seattle PR firm must be powerful!!!
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PR agents are enormously powerful.

We had a one-man PR agent here in England, Max Clifford (now jailed for sex abuse) and his stories absolutely dominated British tabloids.

For example, Ulrika Johnson (minor celebrity) affair with Goran Errikkson, England Manager; Victoria (_?) Loos claimed "romp" with David Beckham; David Mellor, MP, and some prostitute. It was amazing how these stories ran and ran.
 
Vixen said:
I can give you one example of sloppy reasoning, now.

Curatolo: Hellmann concludes Curatolo must have seen Raf and Amanda on 31.10.2007, not 1.11.2007.
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Not true. He concludes Toto's story is fully unreliable, both in the recollection and the identification of the defendants.
 
Vixen said:
Not sure I produced the original article, but it rambled on about how Amanda had been "railroaded" and subjected to all manner of police brutality. Pure PR-speak

No mention of the evidence against her found at the scene.

For example, Meredith's blood on the tap mixed with hers.
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Why should they mention something that the prosecution or the police never claimed? You need to get your facts straight.
 
Katody Matrass said:
Why should they mention something that the prosecution or the police never claimed? You need to get your facts straight.
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What? Mignini clearly pointed this out.

Richard Owen
Published at 12:00AM, November 28 2007
Amanda Knox, the American student being investigated over the murder of Meredith Kercher, was definitely at the crime scene and even left a bloody fingerprint, Italian prosecutors said last night.
Giuliano Mignini, the Perugia prosecutor, said that Ms Knox’s blood had been found on a tap in the bathroom despite her alleged attempts to “clean up” all traces of herself.
In a report opposing an appeal by defence lawyers for the release of Ms Knox, 20, from Seattle and her Italian boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, 23, Mr Mignini said that initial “grave indications of guilt” in both cases had been reinforced during the inquiry.
He said that the pair, who are being held in separate cells and are allowed to have no contact, had made a series of “contradictory and absurd” statements in a tortuous attempt to exonerate themselves during the inquiry into the death of Ms Kercher on November 1.
 
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Vixen said:
I can give you one example of sloppy reasoning, now.

Curatolo: Hellmann concludes Curatolo must have seen Raf and Amanda on 31.10.2007, not 1.11.2007.

He did not trouble himself to discover Raf was at his IIRC brother-in-law's graduation party, on 31.10.2007. Doh_!

BTW the same party he would later claim to journalist, Kate Mansey, of the DAILY MIRROR was his and Amanda's alibi for the murder night.

He also bragged to Ms Mansey Amanda had found the body.

:footinmou. LMAO
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Well, of course this is the ridiculous reasoning employed by the Chieffi court to "rehabilitate" Curatolo. The evening that Curatolo refers to in his testimony is clearly 31 October. So, if Raff was provably not there, then the rational conclusion is that the 2 people he claims to have seen were not him and Amanda. So there's no "Hellmann concludes Curatolo must have seen" anyone identifiable.

And, in fact, there is no way he could reliably have claimed to have recognised the 2 students - not on 31 October, not on 1 November. He did not know who they were at the time and had no reason to recognise them.
 
Vixen said:
I can give you one example of sloppy reasoning, now.

Curatolo: Hellmann concludes Curatolo must have seen Raf and Amanda on 31.10.2007, not 1.11.2007.

He did not trouble himself to discover Raf was at his IIRC brother-in-law's graduation party, on 31.10.2007. Doh_!

BTW the same party he would later claim to journalist, Kate Mansey, of the DAILY MIRROR was his and Amanda's alibi for the murder night.

He also bragged to Ms Mansey Amanda had found the body.

:footinmou. LMAO
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Well this is rather the problem, and why i asked for a paragraph from Hellman. Your substituting your own interpretation of Hellman's writing, hides the brilliance of judge Hellman"a reasoning.

Why not just lay out a Hellman paragraph in its original and full form, and then we're all looking at the same thing?

So, still waiting.

Btw, the masons fake police unit in California is a must see, I can only shudder at mâch's take on it.
 
Vixen said:
Not sure I produced the original article, but it rambled on about how Amanda had been "railroaded" and subjected to all manner of police brutality. Pure PR-speak

No mention of the evidence against her found at the scene.

For example, Meredith's blood on the tap mixed with hers.
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No mention of the hate-campaign's made-up evidence, eh? Scandalous.
 
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