Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[RoseMontague]

He was not an Italian citizen. Can you get any facts correct? This just shows you know little about the case, although strong on opinion.

My understanding is that this is why his palm print was on file being he had to register as a non-citizen at the Questura.

 

[Vixen]

Maria of Romania - I like that new name. It has a nice ring to it! -
Vixen is here because the discussion board she normally posted on has been shut down by its editor. This discussion board is her new home.

I have never seen the .org forum owned by Peggy Ganong, although it's possible I might have viewed a one-click link.

Your level of debate is appalling.

 

[Vixen]

What? You can believe in dinosaurs and Genesis at the same time if you want, and this isn't the place to discuss whether that makes sense. My point is that people can believe whatever they want by claiming that contrary evidence is "staged" - it's how conspiracy theories work. If you don't think Genesis and dinosaurs are a good analogy, then it doesn't alter my point.
When you start from the unshakable belief that Amanda and Raff are guilty, then the break-in becomes something of a problem. So you obviously don't need any tiresome "evidence" that it really was staged (no photographs or anything), because otherwise - well Amanda and Raff as killers doesn't work does it, and we know they're the killers, right?


Think critically? What would you know about that?


I have to say whatever point you are making with these last 2 paragraphs is far from clear.

This is where you go wrong, Antony, the murder is an event that actually happened. It isn't about hegemony.

 

[Vixen]

My understanding is that this is why his palm print was on file being he had to register as a non-citizen at the Questura.

It is a fact Rudy has dual Ivorian - Italian nationality.

 

[Strozzi]

The DNA tells no such thing. Stefanoni, said the location of Knox's DNA on the handle of the knife was compatible with a stabbing hold. This is a unique claim, no other DNA scientists would make such a claim, there is no evidence in the literature to support this and Stefanoni presented no evidence this was true.

Knox's DNA could not originate from holding the knife at the time of the murder. If the knife was the murder weapon it would have been covered in blood, we have the bloody imprint to show this. Blood is full of DNA. Blood is even fuller of haemoglobin. Haemoglobin is a far more resilient molecule than DNA. No blood was detectable on the knife. Tests for blood (haemoglobin) are of the same order of sensitivity as tests for DNA. Contrary to what Stefanoni originally said the quantity of Kercher DNA she allegedly isolated from the knife was small around 40pg. The amount of Kercher DNA was much smaller than the amount of Knox DNA. There is no method that explains how if this was the murder knife all the blood and most of the DNA of the victims were removed (including from the handle), while leaving the DNA of the wielder intact. Even if this is the murder knife, the DNA on the handle of Knox must derive from contact post cleaning and cannot be used to conclude who wielded the knife.

It is fascinating (and tragic) to see how prosecution experts like Stefanoni and Rinaldi extend themselves to try to support the prosecution. To think that a police forensic scientist would reveal her bias by stating the location of a person's DNA on the handle of a food preparation knife is compatible with a stabbing hold is mind boggling. They must not realize how deep they are in pseudo-science and bias as they try to help the prosecution win.

 

[Strozzi]

I have never seen the .org forum owned by Peggy Ganong, although it's possible I might have viewed a one-click link.

Your level of debate is appalling.

I don't debate by giving false and twisted interpretations of evidence. I also don't have a psychological need to torment others or spread innuendo about people.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen, the burglar who stole the laptop from the lawyers' office gained entry by throwing a rock through an upper window and climbing up to a 2nd floor balcony and in. A normal way would be to be standing on terra firma and throw the rock from there, so as to be able to flee if anyone responds. That would be more efficient and safe than climbing with a rock to the balcony and then whilst on the balcony throwing or using the rock to break the glass, for in that position the burglar is up on the balcony and could be compromised and trapped by anyone on the ground responding.

To do that, or some variant of that, requires the person to have several physical skills. He must be able to climb to the 2nd floor balcony, which suggests he is in physical shape to ascend (and descend) without a ladder. He must also be able to throw a rock a short distance, say 12' or 15', with some precision. Both skills are common among guys who are good basketball players. Good basketball players tend be a bit tall, tend to be slender, agile, and can probably toss an 8 lb. rock 10' or 15' with good aim.

If Rudi and Mignini were in a beauty contest to be chosen the bet ter climber and rock thrower, I think Rudi would defeat Mignini who is much older and has a greater girth.

When you say, "rock", do you mean "pebble"?

I have seen the photo of the lawyers' window and what you call, "second floor", is on what we in England call the Ground Floor, with a basement below, so one hardly needs to be Spider Man to get in.

 

[bagels]

I have never seen the .org forum owned by Peggy Ganong, although it's possible I might have viewed a one-click link.

Your level of debate is appalling.

But Strozzi didn't actually name the discussion board. You've just given information only the culprit would know

 

[Vixen]

I don't debate by giving false and twisted interpretations of evidence. I also don't have a psychological need to torment others or spread innuendo about people.

Maybe in your circles the interpretations of police and quality journalists are "false and twisted".

 

[Vixen]

But Strozzi didn't actually name the discussion board. You've just given information only the culprit would know

It has been widely noted pmf.org has closed down. That is a stupid comment, as it is hardly secret knowledge.

 

[bagels]

It has been widely noted pmf.org has closed down. That is a stupid comment, as it is hardly secret knowledge.

Too late, I'm already off to the races with the British tabloid press on this breaking news.

BTW:

When you say, "rock", do you mean "pebble"?

I have seen the photo of the lawyers' window and what you call, "second floor", is on what we in England call the Ground Floor, with a basement below, so one hardly needs to be Spider Man to get in.

I see you've forgotten the testimony I linked just a few days ago so here's a refresher:

LM: However this break in took place in this window, three/four meters high.

PB: More or less

LM: Did you find a ladder close by?

PB: No

LM: Did you find other tools?

PB: No. I remember that we inspected with the Squadra Mobile crew. I should say that the property below us has a door, an armored mesh and a particularly able person could have climbed up. Could have, I don’t know, this is just an assumption.

LM: Anyhow it was not easy to climb up.

PB: Absolutely not.

 

[Vixen]

Presenting the UK press, especially circa 2007, as accurate reporting on this case is truly bizarre reasoning. Posters on this forum and others have, over the last 7.5 years, detailed an extensive list of errors from all media, but particularly UK based media. Including, in fact, especially from the lauded BBC. These reports were riddled with errors.

Sure they are, but quite often they are closer to the truth than years later when history has been revised.


...and before the PR guys and self-styled "advocates" move in.

 

[Vixen]

Too late, I'm already off to the races with the British tabloid press on this breaking news.

BTW:



I see you've forgotten the testimony I linked just a few days ago so here's a refresher:

Who is LM and PB? What window are you talking about?

Even if twelve feet from the ground, if there is a basement, and then a street level entrance up some steps, it's not as insurmountable as you claim. I recall seeing the photograph - or video clip - and thinking how similar it looked to a typical Victorian house in England, albeit modern.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Potenza's reports

I can't access them. Perhaps you could provide a snip showing he was there at test time.

Grinder,

"As a technical consultant appointed by the lawyer. Luca Maori to the defense of
Raffaele Sollecito, I participated in the operations of technical advisory forensic
blood performed from the day 12.11.2007 by Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni and still under processing."

The other quote I provided came from the same document.

 

[anglolawyer]

Sure they are, but quite often they are closer to the truth than years later when history has been revised.


...and before the PR guys and self-styled "advocates" move in.

It's a pity you are so invested in your position as not to realise the real value of the articles you are irrelevantly referring to. So, I will help you (again). What they show is the Italian police polluting the well by disseminating outright lies about bleach receipts, shoes cleaned with bleach etc. What you should be asking is why they were doing that and why no one in authority corrected them.

Once more, to save you the trouble, I have drafted your reply to this post.

Dear anglolawyer

Thank you once again for correcting me. I hope you will continue to favour me with your enlightening posts about this case.

Sincerely

Vixen

 

[RoseMontague]

It is a fact Rudy has dual Ivorian - Italian nationality.

I have seen conflicting reports from him having applied for citizenship to not a citizen. I have not seen a confirmation that he had dual citizenship. Massei says this...

and finally against Rudy Hermann GUEDE, a citizen of the Ivory Coast and a resident of Perugia since infancy.

He refers to him as an Ivory-national twice more in his report.

Do you have a cite for dual citizenship?

 

[Vixen]

And what makes you believe this? Rudy just shows up un-announced on a week night at the girls front door with no idea that they are there. 2 girls he has barely even said hello to expecting that they would let himy in. Keep in mind that Rudy didn't say that Amanda let him in. He said that he had a date with Mez and she let him in and while sitting on the toilet after fooling around that someone unknown to him ca me in and killed Meredith (bizarre story)

And at first he says Amanda wasn't there. Only later does he say that he saw Amanda's silhouette outside the house.

POOR RUDY. All the evidence points to him.

Early police investigations show a belief Amanda arrived at the cottage circa 8:30 closely followed by Rudy, who demanded she pay him money she owed him for drugs. This led to Amanda stealing or demanding with menace Mez' rent money.

This led to Mez losing her temper and subjected to a particularly sadistic attack.

There was a grainy Italian video released claiming to show Amanda or Mez closely followed into the cottage by Rudy, identified by the same quilted jacket he was captured in, in Germany.

So, on balance, it does strongly suggest Rudy came in through the front door.

 

[Vixen]

I have seen conflicting reports from him having applied for citizenship to not a citizen. I have not seen a confirmation that he had dual citizenship. Massei says this...



He refers to him as an Ivory-national twice more in his report.

Do you have a cite for dual citizenship?

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article1916598.ece
Richard Owen in Rome
Published at 12:00AM, November 23 2007
A drug dealer suspected of involvement in the murder of Meredith Kercher had sex with her on the night she died, DNA tests have revealed.
Italian police last night said that DNA taken from the toothbrush of Rudy Hermann Guede, 20, matched samples found on Ms Kercher’s body and on toilet paper in the house where she was murdered.
Mr Guede, who has dual Italian and Ivorian nationality, was arrested in Germany on Tuesday nearly three weeks after he left Perugia following the murder of the British student.

 

[bagels]

Who is LM and PB? What window are you talking about?

Even if twelve feet from the ground, if there is a basement, and then a street level entrance up some steps, it's not as insurmountable as you claim. I recall seeing the photograph - or video clip - and thinking how similar it looked to a typical Victorian house in England, albeit modern.

LM is Raffaele's lawyer. PB is Paolo Brocchi, the lawyer at the law office whose cell phone was stolen, no doubt by someone other than Guede who seems to meander from one wall climbing window smashing cell phone stolen crime scene to the other without being involved.

I can't link anything until I get 15 posts, but if you google Guede Hoax: Translation Of Lawyers Testimony #1 you'll get the complete testimony from TJMK no less.

 

[RoseMontague]

Early police investigations show a belief Amanda arrived at the cottage circa 8:30 closely followed by Rudy, who demanded she pay him money she owed him for drugs. This led to Amanda stealing or demanding with menace Mez' rent money.

This led to Mez losing her temper and subjected to a particularly sadistic attack.

There was a grainy Italian video released claiming to show Amanda or Mez closely followed into the cottage by Rudy, identified by the same quilted jacket he was captured in, in Germany.

So, on balance, it does strongly suggest Rudy came in through the front door.

It strongly suggests you are not correct...

20:40 Jovana Popovic returns to Raffaele’s apartment to say she no longer needs a ride to the bus stop. Amanda opened the door and they spoke for two mins. Popovic said Amanda was normal, smiling and invited her inside but she declined.