Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

I read it was like a scene from Baghdad. The police had to call in backup because the students formed a guerrilla army and were launching rocks with makeshift trebuchets. Once the police finally managed to restore order they made just one arrest, the ringleader who had orchestrated the attacks. Her name? Amanda Knox, or, as she prefers to be known, Foxy Knoxy.

rofl

 

[Vixen]

So, all you are presenting are your opinions without facts? That since these are you opinions, they don't actually have to be based on the facts or evidence .

Where defendants plead, Not Guilty, then I am afraid the verdict ultimately comes down to a judge's opinion.

 

[Dougm]

John Follain and the books came much later. Follain's books are largely based on court testimony.

The TIMES is pretty much the same stable as the SUNDAY TIMES.

It is widely considered one of the best broadsheets in the world. If you like, the BBC of newspapers.

Richard Owen's article is from the TIMES and is traditional old school reporting NOT designed to mislead. It's a shame people in America have to tolerate PR sponsored news which is full of hype and misinformation, by persons with a vested interest.

Richard Owen, of The Times, in Rome
Published at 12:34PM, November 25 2007
Police investigating the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia believe that “another couple” may been involved in addition to the three existing suspects.
They say that blood and “organic substances” on tissues found both in Ms Kercher’s bedroom and in the street outside do not come from Amanda Knox, Ms Kercher’s American flatmate, Raffaele Sollecito, Ms Knox’s Italian boyfriend, or Rudy Herman Guede, the Ivory Coast immigrant and petty drug dealer who is awaiting extradition to Italy from Germany and is said to have had “violent and incomplete” sex with Ms Kercher on the evening of her death.

Presenting the UK press, especially circa 2007, as accurate reporting on this case is truly bizarre reasoning. Posters on this forum and others have, over the last 7.5 years, detailed an extensive list of errors from all media, but particularly UK based media. Including, in fact, especially from the lauded BBC. These reports were riddled with errors.

 

[Samzilla]

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Correction: so much bleach sloshing around at Raf's. See RVBW's eye-opening police video.

I could swear the camera also hones in on a few receipts.

There is footage of a pizza receipt. Scroll down to the bottom of this page:

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/amanda-knox-media-lies/

 

[Vixen]

Mushroom

Vixen,

There is no proof, only conjecture, that it was mushroom. I think it may have been apple from the apple crumble.

It is not conjecture, it is a police opinion:

Investigators said that Ms Kercher almost certainly shared a meal with her killers on the night that she was murdered. Giuliano Mignini, the investigating magistrate in the case, said that the post-mortem on Ms Kercher had revealed a mushroom in her oesophagus.
He said that Ms Kercher was known to have eaten an early supper of pizza and ice cream with two British women friends, both fellow students, at six o’clock on the evening of her death. But Sophie Purton, one of the friends, had testified that the meal contained no mushrooms.

Mr Mignini said that Ms Kercher and Ms Knox were fond of mushrooms. He found it very probable that mushrooms had been part of a late-evening snack in which Ms Kercher joined, perhaps before or during a sex and drugs party that “went wrong” and ended in her death.

He said that champignon mushrooms of the kind found in Ms Kercher’s oesophagus had been found in the fridge at Mr Sollecito’s flat, where the kitchen knife believed to be the murder weapon was also found.
The scenario that Ms Kercher had a snack or late supper after returning to the cottage that she shared with Ms Knox is contained in a 35-page report by Mr Mignini to Judge Matteini in which he outlines his reasons for opposing an appeal for the release of Ms Knox and Mr Sollecito lodged by their defence lawyers. Judge Matteini will hear the appeal on Friday.
Richard Owen, of The Times, in Rome
Published at 1:24PM, November 28 2007

[excerpt]

So you see, the TOD as near 10:00 or 11:00 is not ruled out.

 

[acbytesla]

So there you go. That nice policeman agrees with me.

PS I read about cars swerving in a different article.

No he didn't. And saying he did doesn't make it so. The officer was just doing his due dilligence. Basic CYA.

 

[Sonia]

John Follain and the books came much later. Follain's books are largely based on court testimony.

The TIMES is pretty much the same stable as the SUNDAY TIMES.

It is widely considered one of the best broadsheets in the world. If you like, the BBC of newspapers.

Richard Owen's article is from the TIMES and is traditional old school reporting NOT designed to mislead. It's a shame people in America have to tolerate PR sponsored news which is full of hype and misinformation, by persons with a vested interest.

Richard Owen, of The Times, in Rome
Published at 12:34PM, November 25 2007
Police investigating the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia believe that “another couple” may been involved in addition to the three existing suspects.
They say that blood and “organic substances” on tissues found both in Ms Kercher’s bedroom and in the street outside do not come from Amanda Knox, Ms Kercher’s American flatmate, Raffaele Sollecito, Ms Knox’s Italian boyfriend, or Rudy Herman Guede, the Ivory Coast immigrant and petty drug dealer who is awaiting extradition to Italy from Germany and is said to have had “violent and incomplete” sex with Ms Kercher on the evening of her death.

If this is traditional old school reporting NOT designed to mislead, then I am Marie of Romania. Basically the Rome stringer is repeating any old misleading crumbs the police are feeding him, without stopping to question the "hype and misinformation" he is getting from persons who clearly have a "vested interest."

It is the British press that pumped out most of the misleading, salacious stories about this case, not the American press.

I just don't get what your agenda is here. You aren't interested in discussing the details of the actual evidence, as opposed to the lies that were fed to the press to obscure the truth. You haven't brought anything new or even truthful about the case to this forum. Is this just winding up for its own sake? Are you even interested in looking for the truth?

 

[Samzilla]

I'd love to hear your opinion on the alleged crime scene cleanup. Can you tell us what your theory is? Where did it start? What materials were used? How did they manage to get all the evidence apart from Guede's in Kercher's room?

a person who believes in their guilt would say they didn't. they'd say "raffaele sollecito's dna is on the bra clasp".

 

[acbytesla]

It is not conjecture, it is a police opinion:

Investigators said that Ms Kercher almost certainly shared a meal with her killers on the night that she was murdered. Giuliano Mignini, the investigating magistrate in the case, said that the post-mortem on Ms Kercher had revealed a mushroom in her oesophagus.
He said that Ms Kercher was known to have eaten an early supper of pizza and ice cream with two British women friends, both fellow students, at six o’clock on the evening of her death. But Sophie Purton, one of the friends, had testified that the meal contained no mushrooms.

Mr Mignini said that Ms Kercher and Ms Knox were fond of mushrooms. He found it very probable that mushrooms had been part of a late-evening snack in which Ms Kercher joined, perhaps before or during a sex and drugs party that “went wrong” and ended in her death.

He said that champignon mushrooms of the kind found in Ms Kercher’s oesophagus had been found in the fridge at Mr Sollecito’s flat, where the kitchen knife believed to be the murder weapon was also found.
The scenario that Ms Kercher had a snack or late supper after returning to the cottage that she shared with Ms Knox is contained in a 35-page report by Mr Mignini to Judge Matteini in which he outlines his reasons for opposing an appeal for the release of Ms Knox and Mr Sollecito lodged by their defence lawyers. Judge Matteini will hear the appeal on Friday.
Richard Owen, of The Times, in Rome
Published at 1:24PM, November 28 2007

[excerpt]

So you see, the TOD as near 10:00 or 11:00 is not ruled out.

Why don't you provide citations from the court proceedings as opposed to a newspaper. You won't find that in the trial tanscripts. So it's about as valuable as toilet paper after it was used.

 

[acbytesla]

It is not conjecture, it is a police opinion:

Investigators said that Ms Kercher almost certainly shared a meal with her killers on the night that she was murdered. Giuliano Mignini, the investigating magistrate in the case, said that the post-mortem on Ms Kercher had revealed a mushroom in her oesophagus.
He said that Ms Kercher was known to have eaten an early supper of pizza and ice cream with two British women friends, both fellow students, at six o’clock on the evening of her death. But Sophie Purton, one of the friends, had testified that the meal contained no mushrooms.

Mr Mignini said that Ms Kercher and Ms Knox were fond of mushrooms. He found it very probable that mushrooms had been part of a late-evening snack in which Ms Kercher joined, perhaps before or during a sex and drugs party that “went wrong” and ended in her death.

He said that champignon mushrooms of the kind found in Ms Kercher’s oesophagus had been found in the fridge at Mr Sollecito’s flat, where the kitchen knife believed to be the murder weapon was also found.
The scenario that Ms Kercher had a snack or late supper after returning to the cottage that she shared with Ms Knox is contained in a 35-page report by Mr Mignini to Judge Matteini in which he outlines his reasons for opposing an appeal for the release of Ms Knox and Mr Sollecito lodged by their defence lawyers. Judge Matteini will hear the appeal on Friday.
Richard Owen, of The Times, in Rome
Published at 1:24PM, November 28 2007

[excerpt]

So you see, the TOD as near 10:00 or 11:00 is not ruled out.

How is opinion any different than conjecture? Seriously? Why does that make a shred of difference? Remember, this is the same police who said Patrick was involved. The same police that said the shoe prints were Raffaele's

 

[Wattson]

It is not conjecture, it is a police opinion:

Investigators said that Ms Kercher almost certainly shared a meal with her killers on the night that she was murdered. Giuliano Mignini, the investigating magistrate in the case, said that the post-mortem on Ms Kercher had revealed a mushroom in her oesophagus.
He said that Ms Kercher was known to have eaten an early supper of pizza and ice cream with two British women friends, both fellow students, at six o’clock on the evening of her death. But Sophie Purton, one of the friends, had testified that the meal contained no mushrooms.

Mr Mignini said that Ms Kercher and Ms Knox were fond of mushrooms. He found it very probable that mushrooms had been part of a late-evening snack in which Ms Kercher joined, perhaps before or during a sex and drugs party that “went wrong” and ended in her death.

He said that champignon mushrooms of the kind found in Ms Kercher’s oesophagus had been found in the fridge at Mr Sollecito’s flat, where the kitchen knife believed to be the murder weapon was also found.
The scenario that Ms Kercher had a snack or late supper after returning to the cottage that she shared with Ms Knox is contained in a 35-page report by Mr Mignini to Judge Matteini in which he outlines his reasons for opposing an appeal for the release of Ms Knox and Mr Sollecito lodged by their defence lawyers. Judge Matteini will hear the appeal on Friday.
Richard Owen, of The Times, in Rome
Published at 1:24PM, November 28 2007

[excerpt]

So you see, the TOD as near 10:00 or 11:00 is not ruled out.

As a member of MENSA, do you think media opinion trumps actual trial transcripts?

 

[acbytesla]

Where defendants plead, Not Guilty, then I am afraid the verdict ultimately comes down to a judge's opinion.

Huh? There is a difference between facts and opinions. Even those by judges.

 

[Grinder]

You are making a different argument here. Whether Stefanoni's finding of Mez' definite DNA trace should be permitted, as LCN. Not that it doesn't match Mez.

This is what you wrote:"The defense concurred and did not challenge that the DNA was not Mez'."

The DNA was not Mez's - the defense did not challenge that - they agreed it was not Mez's DNA from the knife.

What you meant to say, but didn't, was the defense didn't challenge that the DNA was Mez's not "not Mez's".

Meaning no count at mensa?

 

[Grinder]

Rose I think you said that the defense experts watched Steffi do the knife DNA testing. Are you sure?

 

[Strozzi]

Hey fellow innocentis, we got a problem! Just after our $ million PR campaign is winding down, our long secret is known. Fox News has a big headline "Aide to California Attorney General, 2 others accused of running "Masonic" police force.". All our good PR effort is about to be exposed.

See it at http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-others-accused-running-masonic-police-force/

 

[Strozzi]

If this is traditional old school reporting NOT designed to mislead, then I am Marie of Romania. Basically the Rome stringer is repeating any old misleading crumbs the police are feeding him, without stopping to question the "hype and misinformation" he is getting from persons who clearly have a "vested interest."

It is the British press that pumped out most of the misleading, salacious stories about this case, not the American press.

I just don't get what your agenda is here. You aren't interested in discussing the details of the actual evidence, as opposed to the lies that were fed to the press to obscure the truth. You haven't brought anything new or even truthful about the case to this forum. Is this just winding up for its own sake? Are you even interested in looking for the truth?

Maria of Romania - I like that new name. It has a nice ring to it! -
Vixen is here because the discussion board she normally posted on has been shut down by its editor. This discussion board is her new home.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Professor Potenza

Rose I think you said that the defense experts watched Steffi do the knife DNA testing. Are you sure?

Grinder,

I am not 100% certain, but Professor Potenza must have seen some portion of it. Here is a link to a discussion thread with links to his report. The details are fuzzy in my memory.

 

[Grinder]

Grinder,

I am not 100% certain, but Professor Potenza must have seen some portion of it. Here is a link to a discussion thread with links to his report. The details are fuzzy in my memory.

I don't think so - I can't open this story here but:

"Here's How the Evidence Stacks up for Amanda Knox
www.newsweek.com/heres-how-evidence-stacks-amanda-knox-81211
Oct 6, 2009 - Soon, it'll be up to a jury in Perugia to decide whether Amanda Knox killed Meredith Kercher. ... 2, 2007, with multiple knife wounds to her neck. .... And she did not test it with the defense experts present (they had been offered the opportunity to ...

 

[RoseMontague]

Rose I think you said that the defense experts watched Steffi do the knife DNA testing. Are you sure?

Yes, Raffaele's defense expert was present and filed a report saying the result was worthless and of no scientific value.

 

[Grinder]

Yes, Raffaele's defense expert was present and filed a report saying the result was worthless and of no scientific value.

I'm pretty sure they couldn't make it to Rome for the test and Mach always said they did it on purpose to avoid having to file a complaint then or some such bull.