Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[RoseMontague]

Early newspaper report:

Discredited Spam snipped

Early newspaper report TIMES.

Do you have a point with this?

 

[Vixen]

Here is the text of the narrative, written by Seattle police officer Jason Bender:


In the city of Seattle

I was on uniformed patrol in the marked unit as 3U5. At approximately 0028 hours, I responded to the report of a loud party in the listed location. The complainant relayed to dispatch that participants from the party were throwing rocks at his house and at passing cars. The complainant requested officer not contact him. Upon arrival, I noted loud amplified music coming from the listed address. The music could be heard from a distance greater than 75 ft from the source. I also noted several rocks in the street. I did not locate any damage at that time. I contacted a party participant and had them retrieve a resident.

S1/Knox contacted me (in front of the house). She stated that she was one of the current residents. She stated that she was the one who was hosting the party (as she was moving out). She stated that she was not aware of any rock throwers at the gathering.
I issued S1/Knox this infraction for the noise violation and a warning for the rock throwing. I explained how dangerous and juvenile that action was.
See Cad event 264012 for further.

No further action taken at this time.

The report was retrieved by seattlepi.com reporter Levi Pulkkinen during early coverage of the homicide case.
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Now what erroneous statements did you make. There was only one party not parties. She was not accused of rock throwing and there was no reports of serving cars. The street is narrow allowing only one lane of traffic and low speeds. Strangely no cars reported or were seen with damage. In fact the officer couldn't find any damage. The only reference to cars came from the anonymous caller.

ETA

She had exactly one ticket on her record Nov. 1, 2007 not tickets (lie 1) She was accused of rock throwing (lie 2) there is no mention of cars swerving which in fact is impossible on that street (lie 3)

Pretty dense lying.

So there you go. That nice policeman agrees with me.

PS I read about cars swerving in a different article.

 

[Kauffer]

There is really no need to be abusive.

He wasn't being abusive. He was taking you to school. You like finding the truth right?

 

[Kauffer]

So there you go. That nice policeman agrees with me.

PS I read about cars swerving in a different article.

No, the policeman doesn't agree with you. Read it again and read Grinder's comments again. Then compare what you've read with what you wrote.

 

[Vixen]

Do you have a point with this?

Yes, early newspaper reports provide interesting on-the-spot eye witness accounts as a story develops from the POV of the police, the press and the participants.

Why do you think 9/11 is constantly replayed according to how the story broke?

First impressions, whilst not always 100% accurate, (how can they be, as reporters have to speculate what is happening?) are emotionally honest as to what eyewitnesses are experiencing.

 

[Vixen]

No, the policeman doesn't agree with you. Read it again and read Grinder's comments again. Then compare what you've read with what you wrote.

Keep up the pointscoring.

 

[Vixen]

He wasn't being abusive. He was taking you to school. You like finding the truth right?

You are welcome to play Mr Angry of Tunbridge Wells.

Count me out.

 

[Vixen]

It's count the error time isn't it? Raffaele's trainers did not match the bloody shoe prints, the DNA evidence on the knife was hokey, Lumumba had nothing to do with anything and the theory of the crime was a depraved prosecutor's fantasy.

Ah, but then we have Rudy. We have only Rudy.

Who wrote the Times article?

Richard Owen 25.11.2007, Rome.

 

[Vixen]

Notice all of the errors again? Cops arriving at 12:35, Raffaele cleaning his shoes - the ones that don't match the prints - with bleach etc etc etc ad nauseum.

There was so much bleach sloshing around Perugia from late on the 1st November, apparently, you have to wonder why the shops didn't run out.

Correction: so much bleach sloshing around at Raf's. See RVBW's eye-opening police video.

I could swear the camera also hones in on a few receipts.

 

[RoseMontague]

Yes, early newspaper reports provide interesting on-the-spot eye witness accounts as a story develops from the POV of the police, the press and the participants.

Why do you think 9/11 is constantly replayed according to how the story broke?

First impressions, whilst not always 100% accurate, (how can they be, as reporters have to speculate what is happening?) are emotionally honest as to what eyewitnesses are experiencing.

A lot of this stuff is not even 10% accurate.

 

[Vixen]

Happen to have a cite for that.

ETA - This is what you wrote:"The defense concurred and did not challenge that the DNA was not Mez'."

The defense did not challenge that the DNA was not Mez's they agreed that it was not a valid DNA of Mez because of all the scientific protocol errors made. Did Steffi find some DNA of Mez in the lab where Mez's DNA had been in volumes? Yes, but since adequate controls weren't in place it was most likely contamination and certainly not acceptable to present in a court of law. You should listen to the BBC series on DNA.

You are making a different argument here. Whether Stefanoni's finding of Mez' definite DNA trace should be permitted, as LCN. Not that it doesn't match Mez.

 

[Kauffer]

[/HILITE]

Correction: so much bleach sloshing around at Raf's. See RVBW's eye-opening police video.

I could swear the camera also hones in on a few receipts.

I'd love to hear your opinion on the alleged crime scene cleanup. Can you tell us what your theory is? Where did it start? What materials were used? How did they manage to get all the evidence apart from Guede's in Kercher's room?

 

[Sonia]

Early newspaper report:

Early newspaper report TIMES.

You appear to be quoting from The Sunday Times and calling it The Times, which it isn't. The Times is a different publication with different editorial staff.

The Sunday Times employed John Follain, who may have filed some of those shoddy, mistake-riddled stories you are quoting. He knows how to juice up his stories with sensationalist rumors and likes to play fast and loose with unsourced factoids that turn out not to be true but persist forever online.

You appear to have been misled by some of them.

 

[bagels]

So there you go. That nice policeman agrees with me.

PS I read about cars swerving in a different article.

I read it was like a scene from Baghdad. The police had to call in backup because the students formed a guerrilla army and were launching rocks with makeshift trebuchets. Once the police finally managed to restore order they made just one arrest, the ringleader who had orchestrated the attacks. Her name? Amanda Knox, or, as she prefers to be known, Foxy Knoxy.

 

[Vixen]

Rudy and Giorgio

We know his employment history from the interviews that Nina Burleigh did with members of the Guede family and the Caporali family, including Rudy's Aunt Georgette, who helped him get that last job in the cafe.

The Giorgio Armani photo with Rudy was snapped in a Milan bar owned by Armani, where he was known to pose with tourists.

The Armani Group actually went to the trouble of issuing a statement that Rudy Guede was unknown to Giorgio Armani and to the Armani Group. Their statement was picked up by many publications, including this one:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/me...d/2007/11/21/1195321812671.html?page=fullpage

Try this page, much better detail:

http://www.raffaelesollecito.org/?p=636&lang=en

 

[Dan O.]

Rudy's Spanish girlfriend's claim there were a lot of computers in Rudy's small room, is legally pure hearsay unless this woman was prepared to make a statement and take the stand under cross examination.

Otherwise, it remains an interesting anecdote.

Like the hearsay of the cctv camera being 10 minutes slow as the prosecution presented:

==Testimony of [[Mauro Barbadori]]==

QUESTION - On what grounds she claims that the time indicated by the cameras of the car park is not accurate and fits ten minutes ahead*?
ANSWER - I checked out , I went on the internet and looked at the time legal.
QUESTION - I explain this finding , " looked at "*?
ANSWER - I looked at the summer time , I also saw through the scanned images , which were given to me by the technicians of SIPA , there were ten minutes ...
QUESTION - How do you make sure they have ten minutes? without suggest*!
PRESIDENT - I'm sorry , asks the defendant, she said: " 20:51 , but in reality were 20:41 ," this " actually" from what came out?
ANSWER - An analysis of the cameras, I saw that it corresponded in substance.
DEFENSE - AVV . BONGIORNO - She said: " I ​​went on Internet and saw daylight saving time . "
ANSWER - Yes
QUESTION - Daylight saving time is first and foremost an hour which means that if 12 becomes 11 is a time , daylight saving time is not ten minutes.
ANSWER - No daylight saving time, the actual time in substance.
PRESIDENT - So now the real?
ANSWER - Yes , the real time.
PRESIDENT - This real- time as he pulled out*? this diversity of ten minutes? What kind of assessment*? This calls for the Defense.
ANSWER - I honestly do not remember which was the figure .
DEFENSE - AVV . BONGIORNO - In its disclosure if it is to I submit it to him , she does not explain how .
PRESIDENT - It is authorized to consult .
ANSWER - No, there is the annotation.
DEFENSE - AVV . BONGIORNO - There is a record in a manner in which lapidary she concludes*: "It is necessary to consider that the time the equipment is moved than ten minutes about ahead of daylight saving time . " What do you want mean?
ANSWER - No, daylight saving time is in fact a mistake.
QUESTION - So it is legal to read real?
ANSWER - Yes , yes.
APPLICATION - We establish , however, that there is a statement according to the which you are rebuilding schedules and stuff like that we must now analyze in detail , then establish because these ten minutes, as he did to count these ten minutes are so important .
ANSWER - I do not remember how I became aware of this difference in ten minutes. From memory I do not remember .
QUESTION - How do we do this to rebuild his assessment*?
PROSECUTOR - DR.SSA COMFORTABLE - He did not do him the finding.
DEFENSE - AVV . BONGIORNO - So who did this finding ten minutes?
ANSWER - It was probably done by the coach of SIPA , that is, the technician from whom I acquired the images of parking lot that is the one who told me this figure .
PRESIDENT - He knows the name of this technical SIPA*?
ANSWER - No, I could track down , definitely yes.
PRESIDENT - I could track down but at the moment he does not know the name?
ANSWER - Yes
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Notice that the only source for the prosecution's time is the car park attendant and Barbadori doesn't even have his name. The defense at least presented evidence using the car park video and the cell phone records to establish an accurate time.

 

[Sonia]

Richard Owen 25.11.2007, Rome.

Likely this is more of the slipshod, error-prone journalism published in The Sunday Times.

 

[Sonia]

I read it was like a scene from Baghdad. The police had to call in backup because the students formed a guerrilla army and were launching rocks with makeshift trebuchets. Once the police finally managed to restore order they made just one arrest, the ringleader who had orchestrated the attacks. Her name? Amanda Knox, or, as she prefers to be known, Foxy Knoxy.

Is that you, John Follain?

 

[Kauffer]

Likely this is more of the slipshod, error-prone journalism published in The Sunday Times.

Actually, Owen was the Rome correspondent of The Times until @ 2010. I think he took redundancy then and retired.

 

[Vixen]

You appear to be quoting from The Sunday Times and calling it The Times, which it isn't. The Times is a different publication with different editorial staff.

The Sunday Times employed John Follain, who may have filed some of those shoddy, mistake-riddled stories you are quoting. He knows how to juice up his stories with sensationalist rumors and likes to play fast and loose with unsourced factoids that turn out not to be true but persist forever online.

You appear to have been misled by some of them.

John Follain and the books came much later. Follain's books are largely based on court testimony.

The TIMES is pretty much the same stable as the SUNDAY TIMES.

It is widely considered one of the best broadsheets in the world. If you like, the BBC of newspapers.

Richard Owen's article is from the TIMES and is traditional old school reporting NOT designed to mislead. It's a shame people in America have to tolerate PR sponsored news which is full of hype and misinformation, by persons with a vested interest.

Richard Owen, of The Times, in Rome
Published at 12:34PM, November 25 2007
Police investigating the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia believe that “another couple” may been involved in addition to the three existing suspects.
They say that blood and “organic substances” on tissues found both in Ms Kercher’s bedroom and in the street outside do not come from Amanda Knox, Ms Kercher’s American flatmate, Raffaele Sollecito, Ms Knox’s Italian boyfriend, or Rudy Herman Guede, the Ivory Coast immigrant and petty drug dealer who is awaiting extradition to Italy from Germany and is said to have had “violent and incomplete” sex with Ms Kercher on the evening of her death.