Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

What was the location of Raffaele's phone when his father sent the text message at 23:41:11 on November 1, 2007?

Hi Dan, you tell us.

 

[Bill Williams]

Rudy is a pathological liar. I do not believe a single word he says. So he was sitting on the loo when the murder happened? How convenient. (Pun intended.)

ISF's software makes it easy to track mini-threads of conversation. This one of yours is the end-point to you making a claim that it would have been easier to go in through the balcony because, "If not, the balcony nearby was a far better bet in gaining entry, not least, because it was concealed from the road and there are no shutters in the way."

You were shown evidence, real-live evidence as to why your claim about the balcony being concealed was wrong......

.... which you did not acknowledge, you just kept going. You are a random factoid-generator.

 

[Vixen]

One other thing wrong is that Amanda and Rudi really did not speak a mutually intelligible language. Rudi did not speak English, or German for that matter. (Knowing a few phrases doesn't count.). Amanda had been in Italy for six weeks. She probably did not speak enough Italian to command Rudi directly like a Luciferina must do to order her sniveling man-boys to rape and slash.

There's the language of lur-ve. Lots of couples get by barely understanding each other's language. This is a red herring.

 

[Vixen]

It cannot be assumed - as the Defence Consultant did - that the shutters were left completely open, since this contradicts the declarations of Romanelli, which appear to be detailed and entirely likely, considering that she was actually leaving for the holiday and had some things of value in her room; already she did not feel quite safe because window-frames were in wood [38] without any grille. Also, the circumstance of the shutters being wide open does not correspond to their position when they were found and described by witnesses on November 2, and photographed (cf. photo 11 already mentioned).

The window that couldn't possibly be one chosen was the window F closed the shutters on because "considering that she was actually leaving for the holiday and had some things of value in her room; already she did not feel quite safe because window-frames were in wood [38] without any grille."

And on the day she went away, she recalled "having closed them because I knew that I would be away for a couple of days" (p. 96). She later added, when noting what she had declared on December 3, 2007, that "I had pulled the shutters together, but I don't think I closed them tight" (p. 115).

Funny, she didn't close them tight. Soooo worried about someone breaking in the impossible climb window, yet didn't even close them tight. Definitely didn't lock them then. Maybe not like barn doorsd.

Sooooo, how would someone on the ground below in the dark be able to tell they are not locked?

 

[Bill Williams]

Sooooo, how would someone on the ground below in the dark be able to tell they are not locked?

Do you EVER answer questions put to you?

The Channel 5 demo showed that it was no sweat for the climber to stand on the grate on the 1st floor window, and manipulate the shutters by hand.

 

[Vixen]

No offense Vixen. You clearly do not understand this very well. Phones are multi-frequency radio transceivers. They are constantly sending out pings omnidirectionally, (in every direction) Their signals are received by cell tower antennas. The towers are connected to the telephone network and other antennas through land lines. Each cell tower is managed by a computer called a base station. Each base station sees every signal from the phones within range. Based upon signal strength, call volume and sometimes other parameters, the base stations decide together, which cell tower and which frequency will handle the call.

What you don't understand is while the base stations do log calls, it varies tremendously what data they log. This varies from carrier to carrier and from base station to base station. Sometimes pings are recorded and sometimes they are not.

Also, and this is very important. Just because the network can't see you, doesn't mean that you turned off your phone. So if you are behind a thick wall, it would appear exactly as if you turned off your phone.

The point is, the pair switched their phones off for the evening, yet the pings were still pinging. Otherwise, how did Raf's 11:00pm message from Dad come through as soon as he switched the phone on?

Clear now?

 

[Vixen]

Do you EVER answer questions put to you?

The Channel 5 demo showed that it was no sweat for the climber to stand on the grate on the 1st floor window, and manipulate the shutters by hand.

A professional climber in broad daylight, who had people with outstretched hands to catch him in case he fell. Plus, he had window bars to hang on to, which were not there in 2007.

 

[Grinder]

Do you EVER answer questions put to you?

The Channel 5 demo showed that it was no sweat for the climber to stand on the grate on the 1st floor window, and manipulate the shutters by hand.

It wasn't necessary to climb up to see that the shutters weren't closed tightly and therefore not locked. It most likely was the case that in her hurry to leave she didn't close them at all or just quickly pulled them together.

Just another red herring argument to try to make a perfectly good break-in window look bad.

 

[Vixen]

Do you EVER answer questions put to you?

The Channel 5 demo showed that it was no sweat for the climber to stand on the grate on the 1st floor window, and manipulate the shutters by hand.

The balcony faces into a quiet street with sporadic traffic at night. The wall which Rudy was supposed by you to have scaled - and which the forensic team, police, prosecutors and judges reject - faces a busy well-lit A road.

The balcony is only about four - six feet or so off the ground, with railings to cling on to.

 

[RWVBWL]

Sooooo, how would someone on the ground below in the dark be able to tell they are not locked?

No dude is gonna try and toss a 8lb rock up into the air to try+ break a window
when the rock might miss, come down + hit you in the dark.

Especially when it's much easier to toss that hand sized 8lb rock at the window from the car driveway ledge,

just like a free throw in a basketball game, and then run + hide in those driveway bushes
on the right if a light comes on or the front door opened and another dude on a 1st date with Meredith came out...

Look at the pix here:
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry------2.html
what's easier, throwin' a rock up from below in the dark and hoping to hit the window,
or tossing a straight, horizontal free throw at the window with a little bit of street light to help your aim?
RW


PS - Go Los Angeles Clippers!!!

 

[Bill Williams]

The balcony faces into a quiet street with sporadic traffic at night. The wall which Rudy was supposed by you to have scaled - and which the forensic team, police, prosecutors and judges reject - faces a busy well-lit A road.

The balcony is only about four - six feet or so off the ground, with railings to cling on to.

It's the same street!!! Yes, the balcony faces it, but for heaven's sake, take a look at RWVBWL's pic just above this post. Filomena's window is more than 90 degrees facing slightly AWAY from the street.

And take a peek at this video. If you don't withdraw your silly views on this case after watching this, there is no hope for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JL6nIkaYLs

 

[Grinder]

The climb by the non-professional climber is here shows him reaching the window without using the bars that were added to the impossible to climb to window. Since the rock broke the window and pushed open the inner shutters Rudi was able to reach inside instead of grabbing bars.

Btw one can see that the distance from the bottom of the lower window to the sill of the upper window is only about 8 feet as the climber can reach it while having his feet on the bottom sill. He does this without stepping on the higher bars of the lower window.

 

[Bill Williams]

A professional climber in broad daylight, who had people with outstretched hands to catch him in case he fell. Plus, he had window bars to hang on to, which were not there in 2007.

"Outstretched arms"!?!? LOL.

 

[Vixen]

No dude is gonna try and toss a 8lb rock up into the air to try+ break a window
when the rock might miss, come down + hit you in the dark.

Especially when it's much easier to toss that hand sized 8lb rock at the window from the car driveway ledge,
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1240&pictureid=9765[/qimg]
just like a free throw in a basketball game, and then run + hide in those driveway bushes
on the right if a light comes on or the front door opened and another dude on a 1st date with Meredith came out...

Look at the pix here:
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry------2.html
what's easier, throwin' a rock up from below in the dark and hoping to hit the window,
or tossing a straight, horizontal free throw at the window with a little bit of street light to help your aim?
RW


PS - Go Los Angeles Clippers!!!

I have read Ron Hendry's book. Unfortunately, Hendry makes it clear he is not impartial and starts from a premise of, suppose the burglary wasn't staged? He then sets out to show that a professional climber can scale the wall, holding onto newly installed window bars.

It's what is called the "halo effect". As a psychology student we were warned not to fall into the trap of setting up an experiment designed to confirm one's own hypothesis.

 

[bagels]

The balcony faces into a quiet street with sporadic traffic at night. The wall which Rudy was supposed by you to have scaled - and which the forensic team, police, prosecutors and judges reject - faces a busy well-lit A road.

The balcony is only about four - six feet or so off the ground, with railings to cling on to.

This is testimony from the break-in at the law office two weeks prior to the murder, which Guede was caught holding stolen property from:

LM: However this break in took place in this window, three/four meters high.

PB: More or less

LM: Did you find a ladder close by?

PB: No

LM: Did you find other tools?

PB: No. I remember that we inspected with the Squadra Mobile crew. I should say that the property below us has a door, an armored mesh and a particularly able person could have climbed up. Could have, I don’t know, this is just an assumption.

LM: Anyhow it was not easy to climb up.

PB: Absolutely not.

Seemingly difficult climbs and break-ins seem to follow Guede around despite him not being involved in them. I find that suspicious and notable.

 

[Grinder]

Not a professional. Not done by Hendry. Other than that spot on.

 

[LondonJohn]

The point is, the pair switched their phones off for the evening, yet the pings were still pinging. Otherwise, how did Raf's 11:00pm message from Dad come through as soon as he switched the phone on?

Clear now?

What on Earth are you talking about?

When you write "yet the pings were still pinging" you're making no sense at all.

Here's how it actually works (simplified, but correct in principle):

Suppose that I had turned my mobile phone off at 9pm tonight. The network would soon recognise that my phone wasn't transmitting regular pings, and would thus assume that my phone was unconnected to the cellular network. As AC wrote above, essentially the same process would take place if, instead of my phone being switched off, it had been placed somewhere where there was no network coverage. The important thing is that either way, the network would know that my phone wasn't connected to the network.

OK so far?

Now imagine that a friend sent me a text message at 11pm this evening. The network would know that it couldn't find my handset, and that therefore it couldn't deliver the text to my phone (or even send me a notification message that a text had been received). At this stage, the network is intelligent enough to understand that what it therefore needs to do is to store the text message itself (on a network server) until the next time it sees my phone is connected to the cellular network - at which point it will transmit the text message and notification to my phone.

Still OK?

Imagine now that I turn my phone back on at 6am tomorrow morning (or that my phone regains network coverage at 6am tomorrow morning). The network sees that my phone is back on the network, and automatically remembers that it has a stored text message that it can now deliver to my phone. It therefore sends the message immediately to my handset at that point. My phone beeps to tell me that I have a new text message, which I can then open and read as normal. The phone tells me the actual time at which the message was sent (11pm tonight), rather than the time the message was delivered to my phone (6am tomorrow morning).


I think you're probably making the mistake of thinking that the text message somehow finds its way onto the phone while the phone is switched off, and that this is the reason why it's there on the phone when the phone is switched back on. That's not what happens. As explained above, the message is actually only delivered once the phone is switched back on.

 

[LondonJohn]

The balcony faces into a quiet street with sporadic traffic at night. The wall which Rudy was supposed by you to have scaled - and which the forensic team, police, prosecutors and judges reject - faces a busy well-lit A road.

The balcony is only about four - six feet or so off the ground, with railings to cling on to.

Do you know the difference between a) the door and window accessible via the balcony and b) Romanelli's window?

I'm talking in terms of the type of glazing (and the associated implications for someone trying to break in), the quality/strength of the frame (and the associated implications for someone trying to break in), and the quality/strength of any locks (and the associated implications for someone trying to break in).

If you can learn and understand these factors, then maybe we can move on to phase two of the discussion of this issue.......

 

[Vixen]

The climb by the non-professional climber is here shows him reaching the window without using the bars that were added to the impossible to climb to window. Since the rock broke the window and pushed open the inner shutters Rudi was able to reach inside instead of grabbing bars.

Btw one can see that the distance from the bottom of the lower window to the sill of the upper window is only about 8 feet as the climber can reach it while having his feet on the bottom sill. He does this without stepping on the higher bars of the lower window.

Did the "climbing enthusiast" give up on seeing if he could lob a 9lb rock that high, as it's not in the video?

The forensics and police said the burglary did not happen. You might as well produce a video showing that Rudy could have been fired through the window from a cannon. It doesn't follow that he was.

The police, prosecutors and judges do not agree with you.

 

[Bill Williams]

This is testimony from the break-in at the law office two weeks prior to the murder, which Guede was caught holding stolen property from:



Seemingly difficult climbs and break-ins seem to follow Guede around despite him not being involved in them. I find that suspicious and notable.

Bagels. Reread the testimony you provided. It says the opposite of what you claim at the end.