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Senator Bernie Sanders announces.

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I like Bernie. I think he's been a good voice for Vermont, but I don't think he stands a chance in hell of actually being nominated, and I certainly hope he does not get an attack of ego and run as a third party candidate. I do, however, hope that he gets a fair amount of support and wakes up some Democrats and gets them excited. My guess is that he has no real hope of winning, but some of influencing the platform.
 
bruto said:
I like Bernie. I think he's been a good voice for Vermont, but I don't think he stands a chance in hell of actually being nominated, and I certainly hope he does not get an attack of ego and run as a third party candidate. I do, however, hope that he gets a fair amount of support and wakes up some Democrats and gets them excited. My guess is that he has no real hope of winning, but some of influencing the platform.
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What we need is a guy who can get Democrats (and Republicans, too) to start thinking third party. Quit seeing a third party candidate simply as someone who will hopefully split the other party's vote.

Get some new blood in there. The old blood is getting stale.
 
I'd support him if I thought he could win in the general election. But I think that Hillary stands a much better chance at making sure that a Republican isn't elected than a self described socialist. And the truth of the matter is that there is literally nothing more important than making sure the GOP doesn't take the White House.
 
Tony Stark said:
I'd support him if I thought he could win in the general election. But I think that Hillary stands a much better chance at making sure that a Republican isn't elected than a self described socialist. And the truth of the matter is that there is literally nothing more important than making sure the GOP doesn't take the White House.
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And that's what's wrong with politics today.
 
While I would never support Sanders, I do respect him. He's one of the few progressives that actually has the honesty to admit that he's a socialist and that America should officially scrap being a Constitutional Republic and switch to a Democratic Socialist form of government. We've been drifting that way for decades, of course, but most politicians try to hide it and distract away from it as much as possible. So I certainly give Sanders points for honesty while opposing his politics as much as possible.
 
Howie Felterbush said:
What we need is a guy who can get Democrats (and Republicans, too) to start thinking third party. Quit seeing a third party candidate simply as someone who will hopefully split the other party's vote.

Get some new blood in there. The old blood is getting stale.
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Bernie Sanders has even less chance at becoming President by running as an independant than he does as a Democrat. Certainly, it is far more likely that he would split the vote enough to ensure that the Republican wins.
 
Tony Stark said:
Bernie Sanders has even less chance at becoming President by running as an independant than he does as a Democrat. Certainly, it is far more likely that he would split the vote enough to ensure that the Republican wins.
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So?

You vote for/support someone based on who they are, not who they aren't.

At least, you're supposed to. Ben's doing this, therefore much respect to him as far as I'm concerned.
 
Howie Felterbush said:
And that's what's wrong with politics today.
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The simple fact of the matter is that she is much better than any Republican and stands a much better chance at beating whichever of them wins the nomination than Bernie does and so supporting her is the rational thing to do.
 
I dug what President Obama said about him at the correspondent's dinner:

"Pot smoking socialist in the white house, hey, it will be a third Obama term!"

I don't know enough about him at this point to know if I'd vote for him, but I'll give him a look.
 
Howie Felterbush said:
So?

You vote for/support someone based on who they are, not who they aren't.

At least, you're supposed to. Ben's doing this, therefore much respect to him as far as I'm concerned.
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And Hillary Clinton is someone who is much closer to me policy wise than any Republican AND someone that stands a much better chance of being elected than Bernie Sanders. That's simple how it is.
 
I lived in Vermont for a number of years. I am a lifelong Democrat. And I am no fan of Bernie Sanders, at all. As far as I'm concerned, he's a carpet-bagging opportunist, reciting hoary leftist slogans because he knows it panders to his constituency back home. I think his chances of making a serious presidential run is nil. More likely, he'll make a fool of himself and hurt the Democrats by giving the Republicans a convenient boogie man to point at and say "Behold the archetypal Democrat. Is this what you want running the country?"

Vermont has produced some outstanding politicians over the years, but I don't count Senator Sanders among them.
 
Howie Felterbush said:
So?

You vote for/support someone based on who they are, not who they aren't.
At least, you're supposed to. Ben's doing this, therefore much respect to him as far as I'm concerned.
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That's a nice idealistic world. We don't live in that world.

Unfortunately my vote is predicated mostly on trying to keep the ones that scare me out of office and not because I happen to love the person I vote for. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Marco Rubio etc. Those guys scare the ever loving piss out of me. And one of them is going to be the other party's candidate and could win the White House.

I therefore need to find someone that can keep that from happening. I love Bernie Sanders but he isn't going to win against one of those opponents and if they win then who knows if America survives.
 
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Howie Felterbush said:
And that's what's wrong with politics today.
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Supposing a third party candidate actually did win, would things really get better?

Looking at some other countries which have more than just two major parties doesn't make me think so.



On Bernie, some people have suggested that age is an issue with Hillary Clinton: is she too old, they ask. Bernie is 6 years older than her.
 
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