Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Grinder]

Amanda's bank account shows large sums of money drawn out, consistent with someone with a drug habit.

No it doesn't. Where do you get that idea?

 

[Grinder]

Verified by official police sources. Why doesn't Amanda sue the DAILY MAIL?

Verified by unnamed sources that don't really say anything. May, could, alleged, no comment but here's a list of names.

Maybe someone she met was or later became a drug dealer, so what? Mez' boyfriend was a drug manufacturer.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

These articles are written by Britain's top Oxbridge educated journalists, trained to check their facts and run it through a lawyer.

Fallacy: appeal to authority.

 

[Vixen]

They weren't large sums of money. Not even close. Money is relevant, I probably spend 3 or 4 times that when I'm traveling. And I don't even drink alcohol. And there is no evidence that Amanda had or has a drug habit. No drug tests, no eyewitnesses in Italy or the US. Why is it you would rather talk about innuendo instead of the fscts? Is it because the facts don't support your preconceived ideas?

The police did not test any of them for drugs.

I am sure, that like you in the States, I probably do have preconceived ideas. Having studied a content analysis course in psychology, I am better aware than many of how the media, newspaper owners and advertisers try to persuade us.

I will always support the underdog in their fight for justice. However, I cannot put my hand on my heart and support a lie. Yes, it is painful to believe anyone could commit such a tragic crime.

John 8
44* *a*[The Devil] was a murderer from the beginning, andb*does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. *c*When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.​

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[Ampulla of Vater]

Amanda was charged with transporting a knife, so presumably the courts agreed there was probable cause.

Fallacy: appeal to authority

 

[analemma]

Amanda's bank account shows large sums of money drawn out, consistent with someone with a drug habit.

I personally think that Vixen is a sock puppet for Mach, or maybe selene, or Skeptical, or even harry rag.
Its style suggests that it is evil reincarnation of Mach, because I remember that Mach used to make outrageously insulting accusations about the conduct of AK and RS and their relationship with Rudy. There was no logical basis for making these statements, but they were made ONLY to insult AK and RS.
This Mach sock puppet is not interested in logical discourse or discussion: Its real aim is to insult and present false and unsubstantiated BS in the only forum that remains.
The only reason that Vixen is here is because there are no more news comments sections or PMF for him to make his intentionally false accusations and nonsense factoids that we have come to recognize over the last seven years.
If we are not responding to the haters in comment sections, why are we giving them a sanctuary here?
I think that we should ignore it, or get rid of it, or shun it.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen, this is important. I have a wager and a lot of money at risk trying to figure out who you really are. You are not Yummi. You claim not to know Jackie. You claim not to be CouldsonUK. You are British. Apparently female, as indicated by a practical (female) response to a question about a bra that no ragazzo would think of.

You claim to have followed this case for years, have read many books about it, but never posted online about this case until a few days ago.

You have a certain point of view to push to illegitimize certain court decisions favorable to the 2 defendants. You see no connection between Curatolo, belatedly and under outside influence, suddenly remembering to have seen the 2 defendants in his park the night of the murder (actually the night before the murder) and the fact that the police immediately stored him in the freezer (detention) for a 5 year old drug transaction, thus keeping him from talking to journalists or others who might want to sit down with him on his park bench and revealing his deteriorating cognitive state or repudiating to others what he told the police.

Give me a hint. Did we go to kindergarten together in Cambridge? Me, the brown-hair American boy made to sit under the piano for the rest of the afternoon as punishment for not coming in from recess when teacher called. You, the pretty red-hair girl in the blue jumper who told me to be quiet whilst teacher was talking?

Dash! My secret's out.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

Amanda's bank account shows large sums of money drawn out, consistent with someone with a drug habit.

Or someone studying abroad where one must purchase food, drink, rent, school books, and other living expenses.

How much did she withdraw and when? If we're going to prove a drug habit, we need specifics.

 

[carbonjam72]

You can't be serious? The Daily Mail consistently writes lying trash. Ask George Clooney. They wrote an article that his bride's family was unhappy that their daughter wad marrying the actor. The only problem was thst it was a total fabrication.

See the article they published about Amanda's noise ticket. The author writes it as if he has sources. When he never spoke to a soul who was at that party. Not even the cop who wrote the ticket. I know this because I personally know the cop.

Yes, but if an Oxford educated tabloid hack claims to see a tree fall in the forest, does it make a noise?

 

[Vixen]

Or someone studying abroad where one must purchase food, drink, rent, school books, and other living expenses.

How much did she withdraw and when? If we're going to prove a drug habit, we need specifics.

Police sources released the bank statements. It was about €300- every few days, over and on top of rent.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

I personally think that Vixen is a sock puppet for Mach, or maybe selene, or Skeptical, or even harry rag.
Its style suggests that it is evil reincarnation of Mach, because I remember that Mach used to make outrageously insulting accusations about the conduct of AK and RS and their relationship with Rudy. There was no logical basis for making these statements, but they were made ONLY to insult AK and RS.
This Mach sock puppet is not interested in logical discourse or discussion: Its real aim is to insult and present false and unsubstantiated BS in the only forum that remains.
The only reason that Vixen is here is because there are no more news comments sections or PMF for him to make his intentionally false accusations and nonsense factoids that we have come to recognize over the last seven years.
If we are not responding to the haters in comment sections, why are we giving them a sanctuary here?
I think that we should ignore it, or get rid of it, or shun it.

Okay, you're right, I'm just feeding the under-the-bridge person. But with all the blatant falsehoods and logical fallacies (on a skeptics forum no less) it is hard to avoid.

 

[Vixen]

Fallacy: appeal to authority

This has nothing to do with logic or reasoning. It is a fact Amanda was charged by the court.

Logical fallacy: resort to sarcasm.

 

[Bill Williams]

I believe this is called trolling. Or flooding. The continual posting of random stuff, with no intent to discuss. Or even make an attempt at proving or offering any evidence.

Amanda was charged with transporting a knife, so presumably the courts agreed there was probable cause.

Amanda's bank account shows large sums of money drawn out, consistent with someone with a drug habit.

These articles are written by Britain's top Oxbridge educated journalists, trained to check their facts and run it through a lawyer. (Said about a Daily Mail piece!!)

Verified by official police sources. Why doesn't Amanda sue the DAILY MAIL?

No, I am talking about the others on MySpace. Anyway did not Amanda herself say she hung around with the losers in school?

Read her early creative writing stories. Stalking and sadistic control is a theme.

In itself, it's nothing, but gives you a view of that person's inner landscape.

PS One policeman did say Amanda had body odour typical of a cocaine user.

She was consorting with a cocaine dealer.

I am looking at it from the psychological POV. Amanda rang Mez several times during the evening. With Patrick taking on Mez to mix Mojitos and demoting Amanda to handing out flyers, it likely triggered painful childhood memories in Amanda.

Romanelli in both phone calls urged Amanda to call Mez and then the police.

If the shutters to Filomena's room appeared shut to anyone looking up from the outside, how would the burglar know it wasn't actually locked?

He'd have to be pretty dumb to scale a flat 12 foot wall - with perhaps a nail sticking out - with a 4KG rock - the weight of two standard packs of sugar - in his pocket, only to discover - DOH_! - the @$&#ing shutters really are locked.

That one about the climb is particularly dumb. Channel 5's demonstration settled the matter. The real issue is that the prosecution asserted things WITHOUT demonstrating anything. But no matter.

I have no idea. IMV the crime was clearly one committed by a sociopath or sociopaths, and the lower courts concluded there was more than one perp.

Raf was a fantasist, knife fetishist, who heavily used drugs. Amanda boiled with resentment about Mez pointedly avoiding her on Halloween. Both showed signs of immaturity and irresponsible behaviour.

ISTM if Amanda had properly expressed her grave concerns about Mez' safety, as set out in her email home to 25 recipients, the postale police could have immediately closed off the entire house and sealed it off, until such time the flying squad arrived.

I will get back to you about Hellmann. Patience.

That was Carbonjam72. You still owe Grinder a list of the books you've read. Sounds to me like you've just memorized PMF talking points.

As lonepinealex said: "Well at least Vixen's abandoned the pretence that she's sceptical of both sides. Just bog standard guilter circular reasoning from now on then? I'd have thought they'd whittle that sort of thing out over at Mensa."

 

[Vixen]

Yes, but if an Oxford educated tabloid hack claims to see a tree fall in the forest, does it make a noise?

One hand clapping - Jack Keroauc

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

This has nothing to do with logic or reasoning. It is a fact Amanda was charged by the court.

And found not guilty by a court. In fact, found not guilty by a very important court.

 

[Bill Williams]

Police sources released the bank statements. It was about €300- every few days, over and on top of rent.

Why are police releasing evidence to the general public?

 

[Grinder]

Police sources released the bank statements. It was about €300- every few days, over and on top of rent.

Reeeeaaally? Please give us any sort of credible cite. Please nothing with a Capealadin comment.

 

[Vixen]

You can't be serious? The Daily Mail consistently writes lying trash. Ask George Clooney. They wrote an article that his bride's family was unhappy that their daughter wad marrying the actor. The only problem was thst it was a total fabrication.

See the article they published about Amanda's noise ticket. The author writes it as if he has sources. When he never spoke to a soul who was at that party. Not even the cop who wrote the ticket. I know this because I personally know the cop.

Wow, is that your claim to fame?

 

[Vixen]

Reeeeaaally? Please give us any sort of credible cite. Please nothing with a Capealadin comment.

I am really shocked that you guys in the States have had all of this censored.

It's common knowledge here.

 

[Vixen]

And found not guilty by a court. In fact, found not guilty by a very important court.

The same court ppl here have said is thoroughly corrupt.