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Squatches routinely cross the interstate between Morgantown and Pittsburgh, but they're not sure exactly where it's safest to cross so they tie blue bags to the trees about every quarter mile to show the preferred routes.

Makes sense to me.
 
I'm not being nasty to you this time. It was after sunset and dark. The only colors they could have been witnessing were black. You do not have the details needed to form an educated opinion about the situation. I have those details and can form an educated opinion based on what I saw, the area and what I know of ghost hunters in specific areas here. Why they go where they go, which areas are most popular for their activities and when they go into those areas. Also, I am familiar with the equipment they carry with them. Nothing mean or nasty about my statement this time, merely the hard facts that you do not have. Chris B.

None of those details you have stated, which is proof you don't have them. We have coolers and baby strollers entered into evidence. Not ghost hunting equipment.

I think this one insulted me personally because we do just that: we drive with the kids to see the spectacular scenery and catch the moose feeding or moving at sundown because that is the best time to catch them - it is just as the tourists are instructed.

It is your taking of this normal behavior and casting it as stupid that bothers me. You are someone who almost never gets out, telling my family that lives full time in the woods that we are stupid for what we do. In the fall we jump in the camper around sundown and drive out to our favorite gravel bar on the river, passing by some beautiful mountains and the lakes the moose feed in at sundown. After dark we have a big fire, roast weanies and marshmallows. We aren't afraid of the dark like you are, and there's a whole set of animals you get to enjoy. A lot of owls here.

There is a long time between sundown and dark too, and by that I mean "black" as you have stated. Were that true then everyone would have been using flahshlights and lanterns - none of which our other witness indicated.
 
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Whew - thanks.

Next question - why do Cervelo and ABP have a fan club on that page that apparently watches their every move? Kinda creepy.
:D The kreepy never stops with them. And it's worse, apparently "they" think we're not actual skeptics. We're pretending. As always with Bigfooters, discount the obvious first. They have to. Ask Chris, he declared random sticks to be Bigfoot long before he declared them to be just sticks...wait, he never declared them to be just sti...nevermind.

From the comments: "Cervelo is over on the JREF/ISF board lashing out at his fellow pretend skeptics. It's fun to watch." Really? "Fun" to watch huh? Bright shiny objects are funner. But seriously, this is what it's come to? Them pretending we're pretending to be skeptics, and that we're just disgruntled Bigfooters? Really? There's a damn 'think tank' there in the anonymous comments section of a lunatic Bigfoot page.

NOT! Just pretending! :eye-poppi
 
Where do bigfoots get blue bags? Is there a special store they go to and what is the currency? I'm thinking that if Dr. Squatch can locate the store and stake it out, proof of bigfoot is a certainty. On a more serious note, does anyone know if bigfoot delusion on this level has resulted in divorces or other family problems? The sheer time involved with this "research" has to take a toll on a relationship if the other parties aren't on the same goofy wave link.
 
Wow...that guy is just nuts. Those "t-shirt" bags are such a litter problem that Dallas just recently enacted a city ordnance that charges people 5c a bag to help reduce their numbers, and help fund their clean up.

So why on god's green earth would an elusive creature bigfoot be placing blue bags along a busy highway? Dr. crazy doesn't seem explain that.
 
In the fall we jump in the camper around sundown and drive out to our favorite gravel bar on the river, passing by some beautiful mountains and the lakes the moose feed in at sundown. After dark we have a big fire, roast weanies and marshmallows. We aren't afraid of the dark like you are, and there's a whole set of animals you get to enjoy. A lot of owls here.


Hey now, be careful it took me forever to grow that gravel bar. I hear the house band sucks though! Those lakes that the moose feed, how big to they grow?

/end parody.

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man..i gotta know what Chris and other BF believers think of this....a guy drives a major interstate highway and claims all trash on the highway is bigfoot evidence...please tell me you think this is all bravo sierra by someone who needs mental help.
 
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None of those details you have stated, which is proof you don't have them. We have coolers and baby strollers entered into evidence. Not ghost hunting equipment.

I think this one insulted me personally because we do just that: we drive with the kids to see the spectacular scenery and catch the moose feeding or moving at sundown because that is the best time to catch them - it is just as the tourists are instructed.

It is your taking of this normal behavior and casting it as stupid that bothers me. You are someone who almost never gets out, telling my family that lives full time in the woods that we are stupid for what we do. In the fall we jump in the camper around sundown and drive out to our favorite gravel bar on the river, passing by some beautiful mountains and the lakes the moose feed in at sundown. After dark we have a big fire, roast weanies and marshmallows. We aren't afraid of the dark like you are, and there's a whole set of animals you get to enjoy. A lot of owls here.

There is a long time between sundown and dark too, and by that I mean "black" as you have stated. Were that true then everyone would have been using flahshlights and lanterns - none of which our other witness indicated.
As you must have missed it, from my previous post to Cervelo:

"We seem to have two different opinions as to the intentions of the "family group" we met on our way out. It's ok to disagree, let's look at both sides here and apply some critical thinking. You saw a cooler, so you say they were on a picnic, then a cookout. I can understand the relationship with coolers and picnics and cookouts, so that's not altogether an invalid theory. But when we add in more factors like time of day, it was after sunset and getting dark. Why would someone take their family on a picnic at night? No grill either. So highly unlikely they had planned a picnic or cookout.

Alright, you saw a cooler, let's review what I saw and think about it for a moment. I saw 2 adult males, 3 adult females,and 1 infant in a stroller. The adult female (mid 20's) pushing the stroller had a small camera case on her left wrist very similar to my little Sony camcorder case, so I suspect she may have been carrying a Sony camcorder or similar in it. The stroller was a hard wheeled type and I felt especially bad for the infant having that very bumpy ride.

The other two adult females were not carrying cases though one had what looked like either a one strap backpack or a jacket slung over her shoulder and she appeared to have been in her teens. The other, late 20's to early 30's.

One of the adult males (late teens to early 20's) was carrying nothing that I could see, the other (late 20's early 30's) was pushing a solid wheeled type
two wheel dolly white in color. Strapped on that dolly was a blue cooler with a white lid. I suspect it was an igloo brand. I did not see the brand name
on it that night because on the top of the cooler was a large black/dark colored case about half the thickness of the cooler, on top of that case was a smaller case that resembled an older camcorder case. The two cases on top would have covered the "igloo" name but it was likely an igloo brand IMO as I have the exact same cooler. Also the adult male pushing the dolly had his left hand on the top case to hold it in place.

I also asked them if they were going where we went. The response was "Yes". I responded "It's a long way." After we walked further I told you I had asked them that to see if they would lie to me, and I told you they did.
They were almost at their intended destination when we met. The lie confirmed their true destination IMO. Think about it, could they have taken
that stroller and dolly over and under those downed trees we encountered and down and back up that hill we trekked? No way.

So, by my reasoning they were ghost hunters. They were misleading as to their true destination. The black cases contained some sort of equipment, possibly sound and or video equipment. The time of day they were there (night time) seals the deal IMO. The cooler more than likely contained beer and ice for their Saturday night ghost hunt adventure. Oh and there was no reason for me to be concerned about those folks. Remember the large guy
pushing the dolly? He was carrying a black/dark handled side arm, most likely a semiauto. Glocks are popular here, but by guessing by their appearance, I'd think it was likely a Taurus. So there was really no need for you to feel embarressed for carrying. It's common here.

I know what you're thinking whether you admit it or not as you are now likely remembering more details. "How can someone remember that much in detail?"
If you really knew me, you'd know how. I'm not trying to make you angry. All I ask is for you to think about what you actually saw a bit then give my
opinion some thought.

About memory, I noticed the pic of the guy in the black jacket you posted and the comments in the post. That was funny but kinda misleading. When we
first met I was wearing an American Eagle OD green jacket similar in looks to a field jacket and camo hiking boots. I changed into the ratty black leather jacket when we arrived on site and I told you why then, because that's the jacket I was wearing when I had my previous sighting there.
I have no idea where you came up with the tennis shoes comment, not that it matters as I do wear tennis shoes almost daily, but not that day and not
when I'm trekking. The inaccuracies are uncalled for if intentional, if unintentional I can somewhat understand. If you want to poke fun at me please be accurate when doing so is all I ask."

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Now ABP, at no time did I call or insinuate you or your family are "stupid". I suggest though you do not have the details required to make a better judgement call than me about what those people here were up to. I was there, I know the area, I know the people, I know the site and activities that happen there and why. You lack that information and I cannot provide you more detailed information as it would further risk the integrity of the area by narrowing it down to exacting location details.
Chris B.
 
man..i gotta know what Chris and other BF believers think of this....a guy drives a major interstate highway and claims all trash on the highway is bigfoot evidence...please tell me you think this is all bravo sierra by someone who needs mental help.
I have no detailed info about the incident or if there was a sighting related to the "blue bags".

Typically, I tend to file some incidents or reports in with the "UFO Bigfoot" and other more incredible reports as I'm not really interested in those. As Bigfoot stepping out of a UFO, or Bigfoot jumping 60 yards in one bound are not things a biological animal could accomplish in reality.
Chris B.
 
Typically, I tend to file some incidents or reports in with the "UFO Bigfoot" and other more incredible reports as I'm not really interested in those.
Right, you're only interested in cherry-picking the stories that fit the bigfoot you've built in your mind. Those other bigfoots help though: They add significantly to the thousands of reports form people who couldn't possibly be wrong.
 
Typically, I tend to file some incidents or reports in with the "UFO Bigfoot" and other more incredible reports as I'm not really interested in those. As Bigfoot stepping out of a UFO, or Bigfoot jumping 60 yards in one bound are not things a biological animal could accomplish in reality.

Just to help you understand skepticism better, we have the same kind of file as you do, only it's a lot fatter. It includes incredible things like: no one can take a clear pic of bigfoot, no one can find a single DNA source (scat, hair, midden, den, whatever), dogs can't track a bigfoot, an accomplished human tracker can't track a bigfoot, trail cams can't photograph a bigfoot, there are no bigfoot bones or fossils, etc. (That's by no means an exhaustive list, as I'm sure you're aware.)

Couple all that with well-known psychological facts that throw doubt on reported sightings, the amount of hoaxing, joking, and the social skewing of subjective opinion, and the big result is: bigfoot started as a myth and has largely turned into a joke and social club.

You may think that you're being careful in sifting out the bolsh, but we're being much more careful.
 
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Right, you're only interested in cherry-picking the stories that fit the bigfoot you've built in your mind. Those other bigfoots help though: They add significantly to the thousands of reports form people who couldn't possibly be wrong.

You are correct, the Bigfoot I consider to be a real living biological living creature cannot do impossible things. That's the problem with you skeptical type, you tend to group all Bigfoot reports into one category where as for one to be true all must also be true. In reality, it doesn't work that way.
Chris B.
 
Just to help you understand skepticism better, we have the same kind of file as you do, only it's a lot fatter. It includes incredible things like: no one can take a clear pic of bigfoot, no one can find a single DNA source (scat, hair, midden, den, whatever), dogs can't track a bigfoot, an accomplished human tracker can't track a bigfoot, trail cams can't photograph a bigfoot, there are no bigfoot bones or fossils, etc. (That's by no means an exhaustive list, as I'm sure you're aware.)

Couple all that with well-known psychological facts that throw doubt on reported sightings, the amount of hoaxing, joking, and the social skewing of subjective opinion, and the big result is: bigfoot started as a myth and has largely turned into a joke and social club.

You may think that you're being careful in sifting out the bolsh, but we're being much more careful.

I don't think you're being more careful, I think you simply deny everything and admit nothing. It's much easier to dismiss Bigfoot as nothing rather than spend any effort looking into it. Ancient and lazy tactic.

The problem you must contend with is that since you see Bigfoot as a myth and not a possibility, then what remains must be accredited only to human imagination or error. So in effect Bigfoot must be a type of psychological problem. The problem with that theory is that Bigfoot sightings are not decreasing, they're increasing every year. So if you are correct, that suggests that there is a serious problem with the human psyche that is increasing each year Worldwide. In either case, I'm on the side that thinks something should be investigated.
Chris B.
 
You are correct, the Bigfoot I consider to be a real living biological living creature cannot do impossible things. That's the problem with you skeptical type, you tend to group all Bigfoot reports into one category where as for one to be true all must also be true. In reality, it doesn't work that way.

In reality bigfoot cannot exist, because it's a pastiche of impossible qualities. The only source for a creature as amazing as bigfoot is the human imagination.

As usual, you can prove something else to the reasonable skeptics here by showing us some objective evidence, of which to date there has been zero offered.
 
I don't think you're being more careful, I think you simply deny everything and admit nothing. It's much easier to dismiss Bigfoot as nothing rather than spend any effort looking into it. Ancient and lazy tactic.

When I want a big, hairy monster, I want more than talk. You have nothing that would make me happy in this regard. Yes, I know that woo-mongers insist that everyone do their own science/discovery, but that is simply ridiculous. If something like bigfoot existed in North America, then we would know it.

The problem you must contend with is that since you see Bigfoot as a myth and not a possibility, then what remains must be accredited only to human imagination or error. So in effect Bigfoot must be a type of psychological problem. The problem with that theory is that Bigfoot sightings are not decreasing, they're increasing every year. So if you are correct, that suggests that there is a serious problem with the human psyche that is increasing each year Worldwide. In either case, I'm on the side that thinks something should be investigated.

Actually, I'm not the one with a problem. Real things are real, and that's your problem, because you're trying to push a ridiculous fantasy that doesn't pass the laugh test. Allow me to remind you that the objective evidence to support the existence of bigfoot is still at zero. Same as it ever was.

Ignore the social aspect all you want--you're just ignoring the driving force behind bigfoot fandom.
 
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Chris,

You asked the "ghost hunters" if they were going where we went. You passed them on a trail going the other way, what did you expect them to say? How did they know how far you and Cervelo walked?
 
When I want a big, hairy monster, I want more than talk. You have nothing that would make me happy in this regard. Yes, I know that woo-mongers insist that everyone do their own science/discovery, but that is simply ridiculous. If something like bigfoot existed in North America, then we would know it.



Actually, I'm not the one with a problem. Real things are real, and that's your problem, because you're trying to push a ridiculous fantasy that doesn't pass the laugh test. Allow me to remind you that the objective evidence to support the existence of bigfoot is still at zero. Same as it ever was.

Ignore the social aspect all you want--you're just ignoring the driving force behind bigfoot fandom.

If you think Bigfoot is merely of the mind, then clearly it should be investigated from a psychological view as well. Don't you agree? Either way there's something serious going on.

Chris,

You asked the "ghost hunters" if they were going where we went. You passed them on a trail going the other way, what did you expect them to say? How did they know how far you and Cervelo walked?

I had posted that to cervelo. I asked them if they were going to a certain specific destination which I will not mention in the forum as it is where Cervelo and I were coming from. They knew the destination I referred to as I called it by name to them and they replied "Yes".
Cervelo knew what I was talking about though I did not mention it here for obvious reasons about the location.
Chris B.
 
If you think Bigfoot is merely of the mind, then clearly it should be investigated from a psychological view as well. Don't you agree? Either way there's something serious going on.

Meh. Someone will no doubt study it, but bigfoot fantasies are not very important IMO. They push against a healthy regard for science and the objective reality that science is intended to illuminate, but bigfoot is pretty trivial overall. There are other forms of sloppy thinking that are much more important, such as climate denial and extreme right-wing religious nonsense. Hatefulness and sweeping ignorance that leads to poor government policy are more of a hazard to the world than some big, hairy roleplaying, no matter how stupid it is.

Like I said somewhere, I only engage in bigfoot discussion because it's not challenging. If you think that bigfoot is earthshaking stuff, then we're not on the same page.
 
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