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Can one disprove Jesus' resurrection?

Can one disprove Jesus' resurrection?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 34 40.5%

  • No, because you generally cannot prove a negative and it happened too long ago to do so now.

    Votes: 50 59.5%
  • Total voters
    84
  • Poll closed .
abaddon said:
This is a game I can play all night.

It is almost as though he hasn't read the damn book. Surely such a thing could not exist? An atheist who has read it and a theist who has not? Say it ain't so.
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He claims to have read it in order to debunk it after which he stopped being an atheist and instead became a Christian along similar lines as those of the Jehova Witnesses.

But given his inability to notice contradictions in his own writing I would not expect him to notice those in the Bible?

DLH said:
I said stuff that I wrote, like the Historicity of the Bible. I didn't say I was a Christian, did I. I'm a skeptic.
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DLH said:
Hi everyone, I'm David, an atheist for most of my life until at the age of 27 I finally decided to pick up a Bible in order to debunk Christianity for myself. Instead, I became a believer and have been one now for 21 years.
Though I have never and will never belong to any organized religion my beliefs are very similar, though not in total agreement, to the Jehovah's Witnesses. I loath organized religion probably more than the typical skeptic because religion is inherently false, even to itself.

Though not as knowledgeable in religion as the average atheist I have a working knowledge of all the major world religions. I don't tend to dwell over the nonsensical or overly complicated doctrinal technicalities since my focus is primarily the Bible without the theological terminology.

I'm a excellent student of the Bible. I also have an interest in the spiritual, considering it to be a major part of all of our lives, of the human experience and to this effect I have my own website, Pathway Machine, which you can access through my profile contact info.
I hope that we can have some interesting and challenging discussions and debate.
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isissxn said:
Lol. If you have to lie about your own beliefs to advance your agenda, and go in misrepresenting yourself from the word go, maybe your agenda is a bunch of curdling BS.
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His intentions are to follow the examples set by Jesus and his followers all throughout history.

Also to throw epithets at people much like Jesus and St. Paul were fond of doing. So far these are the things I have noticed him calling atheists:

  • "...intellectually retarded knee jerk reaction..."
  • "...disturbing psychosis..."
  • "...propaganda and xenophobia..."
  • "...fanatical devotion in the face of opposition..."
  • "...inferiority complex..."
  • "...tolerance and dispelling ignorance..."

Leumas said:
Intentionally lying and using any ploys and subterfuge for the sake of Jesus is an OLD custom.

Jesus (a.k.a. YHWH) started it
  • 2 Chronicles 18:22: Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets
  • Ezekiel 14:9: And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet
  • Ezekiel 20:25-26: Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through [the fire] all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I [am] the LORD.

Paul continued with it
  • 1 Corinthians 9:20-23:To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings."

Eusebius, Emperor Constantine's bishop, was one of the earliest active advocates of it
  • How it may be lawful and fitting to use falsehood as a medicine, and for the benefit of those who want to be deceived.

And Martin Luther the founder of Protestantism sanctified it
  • What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.

Martin Luther also explained why reason is not something most theists value
  • Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but - more frequently than not - struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God

And the Bible fully supports him
  • 1 Corinthians 1:19: For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
  • 1 Corinthians 1:21: For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
  • 1 Corinthians 1:27: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;
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DLH said:
I'm suggesting that if you want to know what the Bible says look at what it says, just as if you want to know what science says look at the books of science.

If you say that Jesus was a zombie on a stick that doesn't come from the Bible, if you say that his dead body was resurrected it doesn't say that either. It says that he came from somewhere else in another form, became a man, died, resumed that form, then returned as another human which he had done previously, though previously his body hadn't perished. His body was in the grave, his other form was in the abyss, the latter was resurrected.
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For what it's worth, DLH,
Christianity teaches differently- that his body died and His body was physically raised. On the Mount, His body was transfigured. From the tomb, His body physically disappeared. When He reappeared, His body physically resurrected after being in the grave.
 
Not another "I was a skeptic until..." post?

One would think that religious and other "believers" would learn how dated, over-used, and absolutely unconvincing it is to use such an approach.

I also share the previously noted concept: the more one reads the actual Bible, the less and less convincing the story becomes. The edited and distorted version typically presented in Sunday School, on the pulpit, and in popular culture is unbelievable as is (imagine if some non-religion tried to tell you this bizarre, counter to known fact, and self-contradictory narrative). But to read the full length version undermines even that sanitized and glossy popular version. That is why the believer requires an "interpreter" and guides to help them swallow the stuff.
 
abaddon said:
That was real funny. It gave birth to the "Jesus hates Figs" mockery of the WBC.
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Isn't there a joke in which a monk comes running out of the religious manuscript room of the monastery and yells, "We had it all wrong due to a misprint! God says monks should celebrate, not be..."
 
tsig said:
The bible portrays god as brutal, capricious and cruel while the devil is shown to tell the truth.
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Yup.... but not just that.... I can prove using the Bible itself and no other source whatsoever.... just using verses from the Bible without any tricks or sophistry at all.... just the pure WORDS of the Bible.... that the Bible is

Vitiating, vague, contradictory, auto-refuting, malevolent, morally abhorrent, scientifically imbecilic, schism inducing, racist, bigoted, belligerent, and evil.​

And its author YHWH a.k.a. Jesus a.k.a. Allah is
Infanticidal, genocidal, megalomaniacal, homicidal, racist, bigoted, lying, raping, incestual, jealous, lustful, gluttonous, greedy, slothful, envious, vain, pompous, wrathful, vengeful, deceitful, egotistical, malevolent, scheming, benighted and a moronic hypocrite.​

There I said it yet again with some new adjectives.
 
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Foster Zygote said:
Yep.
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The word used at Leviticus 11:13 is ohph, which is sometimes translated incorrectly as birds, and sometimes as fowl. It is important to note that the English word fowl applied not only to birds, but all winged flying creatures such as insects and bats. So, although the word fowl in translation is accurate it is often misunderstood due to the fact that today the English word fowl is somewhat more limited than it used to be, applying to birds only.



1.
See domestic fowl
2.
any other bird, esp any gallinaceous bird, that is used as food or hunted as game See also waterfowl, wildfowl
3.
the flesh or meat of fowl, esp of chicken
4.
an archaic word for any bird

Can our apologist be fudging meanings?
 
I will vote in the poll if the OP explains why this resurrection thingy is not an affirmative claim. If the resurrection happened, produce evidence.
 
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