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Can one disprove Jesus' resurrection?

Can one disprove Jesus' resurrection?


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When one makes a claim, the person making the claim has a burden of proof. So someone claiming that the Resurrection occurred has the burden of prove if they want to show it. Otherwise, the claim remains unproven, lacking a sufficient basis for belief. However, this does not necessarily mean that the claim is incorrect.

For example, imagine that a 17th century world traveler claimed that he saw a large land lizard with deadly saliva in the region of Indonesia, where he also found plants that trap animals as big as birds and rats to eat. Now, that traveler might describe what he saw, but so long as he did not actually bring back any specimens and no one else confirmed his reports, a scholar could have been very skeptical. Scientists could rightly state that he/she did not do enough to prove his/her very unusual claim, and that the world traveler could be a sensationalist who misportrayed what/he she saw.

Now in reality, such unusual creatures do exist as the explorer described, and the mere fact that he failed to prove them to his colleagues didn't mean that they did not exist. Thus, simply because a claimant failed to meet his burden of proof doesn't mean necessarily that something doesn't exist.

This leads me to ask my main question:
Can one not only effectively question proofs of Jesus' resurrection, but also "prove a negative" and disprove that event?

To give another example, the Mormons claim that the Native Americans came from the ancient Israelites. For a long time this idea had a certain currency outside Mormon circles of the time. However, now with effective DNA research, that Mormon claim can be successfully disproved.

To return to the question about Christianity, are there actually strong proofs that successfully prove that the Resurrection was not just extremely scientifically unlikely/miraculous, but also clearly did not happen?


The main reason I can think of to disprove it is the one I mentioned in passing above- scientific unlikelihood. Actually, I think it might happen that people who have been dead for a short period of time come back to life/resuscitate. Usually in such cases the physicians say that the victims did not have an identifiable sign of life. But perhaps the person's life was simply so weak that it was not detected and thus the person actually remained alive the whole time they were thought to be alive.

But the main miracles go beyond just resuscitation after clinical death to include virgin birth and Ascension. As for those cases, it's outside of our knowledge of science and our experience in the world that people are born of virgins and visibly ascend after death. I suppose that theoretically a virgin could conceive but it's next to impossible. And I suppose that ghosts exist and can be seen by people, but it would be even more unlikely for multiple people to watch them at length ascend to the sky.

Thus, from a purely scientific standpoint, these events are next to impossible. Yet for believers, the justification is made that God can do anything, and so they look to signs like ancient prophecies (Psalm 22) that God would perform resurrection. Still, scientific unlikelihood is a major objection.

With that in mind, are there still more proofs that the Resurrection didn't occur?
 
I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
 
Do you have any proof that allfather Odin didn't spend 9 days and 9 long nights hanged from Yggdrasil and impaled by his own spear, before briefly dying and self-resurrecting so he could learn the runes?

I know that I hung on a wind-rocked tree,
nine whole nights,
with a spear wounded, and to Odin offered,
myself to myself;
on that tree, of which no one knows
from what root it springs.


Bread no one gave me, nor a horn of drink,
downward I peered,
to runes applied myself, wailing learnt them,
then fell down thence.​

I mean, really, can you disprove it?
 
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I placed a '67 Dodge Dart in orbit around one of the stars in the Andromeda galaxy. Can you prove it isn't there?
 
Yeah, it's pretty simple actually.

I don't care WHAT sort of magic you claim is at work here, there's no freaking way that a corpse that has been rotting for three days can be reanimated. It's quite simply against the laws of physics. Even a vague notion of post-mortem decay should tell you that.
 
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Yeah, it's pretty simple actually.

I don't care WHAT sort of magic you claim is at work here, there's no freaking way that a corpse that has been rotting for three days can be reanimated. It's quite simply against the laws of physics. Even a vague notion of post-mortem decay should tell you that.

You know, to be fair, I think that almost everyone who believes that Jesus raised from the dead also acknowledges that this would violate the laws of physics. In fact, I don't think that's controversial.
 
You know, to be fair, I think that almost everyone who believes that Jesus raised from the dead also acknowledges that this would violate the laws of physics. In fact, I don't think that's controversial.


Yes, that's the problem with sticking "and then a miracle happens" into an equation. Once you grant the existence of an omnipotent god, any argument about physical possibility goes completely out the window.
 
There was an impromptu meeting of Big Foot, King Arthur, Loch Ness Monster, werewolves and a vampire. Why not?
BTW I saw a TV show which claimed there was a Nazi hideaway in Antarctica and they showed some aerial photo's which seemed to show a man made structure opening up into the earth somewhere on a glacier. I think it was spurious but how to prove that opinion? I mean how could one search all over the aerials of the South Pole to disprove it. Also a technique of pseudo science is to be vague.
 
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Yes, that's the problem with sticking "and then a miracle happens" into an equation. Once you grant the existence of an omnipotent god, any argument about physical possibility goes completely out the window.

The amusing thing is that it renders the whole conversation meaningless, because you can just invoke magic to counter-argue.

"Jesus rose from the dead"
"That's impossible. Dead people dont reanimate"
"With God, anything is possible"
"OK, so the devil is planting this in your head without you knowing"
"..."
 
We can't disprove magic pixies or vampires either.

To give another example, the Mormons claim that the Native Americans came from the ancient Israelites. For a long time this idea had a certain currency outside Mormon circles of the time. However, now with effective DNA research, that Mormon claim can be successfully disproved.

If we're talking about miraculous claims, then it hasn't been completely disproved because it would still be possible that God changed their DNA to make it appear that they weren't descended from ancient Israelites.

I don't care WHAT sort of magic you claim is at work here, there's no freaking way that a corpse that has been rotting for three days can be reanimated.

What about magic involving the capacity to create a backup-copy before death occurs (eg, a soul), and use this to restore the body to it's previous state several days later?

It's hypothetically possible even without magical or supernatural intervention, given sufficiently advanced technology.
 
When one makes a claim, the person making the claim has a burden of proof. So someone claiming that the Resurrection occurred has the burden of prove if they want to show it. Otherwise, the claim remains unproven, lacking a sufficient basis for belief. However, this does not necessarily mean that the claim is incorrect.

Just stop there.
 
To be clear....
I am an atheist. I do not believe that Historical Jesus (as writ in the Bible) actually existed as an individual. I believe the accounts of Jesus in the Bible are more than likely to be based on several different characters. This might partially explain the vastly differing and sometimes wildly conflicting accounts of "his" life.

I don't believe that a corpse which has rotted for three days can be reanimated. However, grant for a moment that the resurrection may have been based on some real occurrence of an apparently mortally wounded man seemingly dying and then coming back to life a few days later, then the only thing I can think of to account for this is the wounded man falling into a coma and showing such minimal signs of life that everyone thought he was dead, only for him to come out of his coma in the tomb. There are any number of modern day examples of people waking up after being pronounced dead.....

https://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=waking+up+after+being+pronounced+dead
 
I think the question of whether or not Jesus was resurrected is way down on the list of claims that need to BE PROVEN FIRST before we need to prove or disprove the resurrection.

So The burden of proof is SO BLOODY UNBEARABLE.

Arguing whether Jesus was or was not resurrected is like arguing whether or not Edward Cullen would be inebriated if he sucked the blood of a drunk Bella Swan.

But I think asking this kind of question does serve a purpose... it legitimizes all the preceding claims that lead to the questioned event.

Asking whether or not the resurrection did occur makes it seem as if it is a given fact that all the preceding events must have occurred since otherwise the resurrection would not be even considered at all.


  1. Did Jesus exist?
  2. Did he just run away when the going got tough?
  3. Did Judas kiss the wrong guy as a ruse?
  4. Was he crucified?
  5. Did he die?
  6. Was his body given back instead of being tossed on a garbage heap?
  7. Was the tomb really empty?
  8. Was the body stolen?
  9. Was CPR performed on him by some GURU?
  10. Was he an Alien who had advanced medicine?
  11. Did the purported sightings post the purported crucifixion actually happen?
  12. Did they see a double?
  13. Did they see the real Jesus who never actually was crucified due to the aforementioned ruse or lucky escape?
  14. Did they see an Alien Clone?
  15. So On
  16. So Forth
  17. etc.
  18. etc.
  19. etc.
  20. Was he resurrected?
 
However, grant for a moment that the resurrection may have been based on some real occurrence of an apparently mortally wounded man seemingly dying and then coming back to life a few days later, then the only thing I can think of to account for this is the wounded man falling into a coma and showing such minimal signs of life that everyone thought he was dead, only for him to come out of his coma in the tomb.

which kinda destroys the whole "died for our sins" thing I guess.....
 
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For example, imagine that a 17th century world traveler claimed that he saw a large land lizard with deadly saliva in the region of Indonesia, where he also found plants that trap animals as big as birds and rats to eat. Now, that traveler might describe what he saw, but so long as he did not actually bring back any specimens and no one else confirmed his reports, a scholar could have been very skeptical. Scientists could rightly state that he/she did not do enough to prove his/her very unusual claim, and that the world traveler could be a sensationalist who misportrayed what/he she saw.
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All we need to substantiate his claim is go to where he said he saw those things and look.

Can we do the same for the resurrection claim?

What if he said he saw a 100 foot tall dragon spitting fire and we look and find a lizard that spits poison do we then say the guy was not a liar?
 

With that in mind, are there still more proofs that the Resurrection didn't occur?

"resurrections" actually do happen even nowadays, people waking up after being put in the fridge. I am pretty sure we also have evidence for some tombs that people died in them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_being_buried_alive

"Before the advent of modern medicine, the fear was not entirely irrational. Throughout history, there have been numerous cases of people being buried alive by accident. In 1905, the English reformer William Tebb collected accounts of premature burial. He found 219 cases of near live burial, 149 actual live burials, 10 cases of live dissection and 2 cases of awakening while being embalmed"

As you can see, it is not a stretch to think after being put in a cold tomb the guy woke up for a short time, then somebody heard it, was found in it, then he died shortly after.

Frankly the problem is not resurrection as it is not as dis-believable as one might think (it is more like resuscitation) the problem is the supernatural claim. And to disprove those : good luck.
 

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