Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[acbytesla]

I meant more that they couldn't let the "did they / didn't they?" thing go. But yes, the interest is already fading, which is all to the good for A & R getting their lives back on track.

I suspect that they will let go of that meme as well.

 

[LondonJohn]

I am very sorry for Mrs Kercher.

Me too. I only wish that it won't take her too long to realise that the case against Knox and Sollecito was crazily flawed from the very start, that there never was any credible, reliable evidence of their participation in the murder, and that all the evidence is entirely compatible with Guede acting alone. I think that if she can come to understand that, then she will gain some comfort and peace from the fact that her daughter's real killer has been caught and brought to justice.

 

[Strawberry]

Ok, I just read on PMF that Knox is facing a possible six years on a second "calunnia" charge. Is this true, and can she be extradited for that?

I think that case will be quietly dropped, and she certainly won't be extradited for it. Someone on PMF is dreaming.

 

[lonepinealex]

Ok, I just read on PMF that Knox is facing a possible six years on a second "calunnia" charge. Is this true, and can she be extradited for that?

I think that's to do with her book - Raffaele is being sued over his book too. Hopefully all these opportunistic additional trials will fizzle out or be dismissed by the courts.

 

[LondonJohn]

Ok, I just read on PMF that Knox is facing a possible six years on a second "calunnia" charge. Is this true, and can she be extradited for that?

Nah, there's a clearly desperate need to try to "soften the blow" among pro-guilt commentators with stuff like this.

The strong likelihood is that this criminal slander trial will be adjourned for a good few months until after the SC motivation on the murder acquittals comes out. And then there's likely to be a further adjournment until the first indication from the ECHR regarding Knox's application on the criminal slander conviction comes out. And then my guess is that the case will be quietly dropped altogether.

 

[acbytesla]

Ok, I just read on PMF that Knox is facing a possible six years on a second "calunnia" charge. Is this true, and can she be extradited for that?

It's true...but no one really thinks that is going anywhere and NO, she could NEVER be extra diet from the US for callunia since that is not a crime in the US. The extradition treaty specifically says that you can only be extradited for something that is a crime in both countries.

 

[lonepinealex]

The whole "did they/didn't they" thing is central to the "appeal" of the story though. It's manna from heaven to the British newspapers in particular.

And yes, it's dropping out of the news cycle now, and will have totally disappeared within an couple of days. That's simply how the news cycle works. Even when the same things are happening within a given story, it will only have a very limited time for a high spot on the news agenda. For example, many dozens of people are being killed every day in the ongoing civil war in Syria, yet if one was to take the news agenda at face value, one might be mistaken for thinking that Syria's "all sorted out" now, since it's not on the news any more.

So since the Knox/Sollecito story has the added factor of truly being an "event-driven" story (mainly driven by court verdicts and motivation reports), it's a racing certainty that it will totally disappear from view very quickly. I suspect that Knox will do some US media interviews, and it's likely that these will feature in the UK press as and when they occur. And aside from that, unless any of the other key individuals - Sollecito, John or Arline Kercher, maybe Bongiorno or Dalla Vedova - give interviews too, then that's all there will be until the SC motivations comes out. Unless there's activity regarding threats/harassment to Knox or Sollecito.......

Yeah I understand the behaviour of the press, it just never ceases to exhaust me. The only antidote is Private Eye.

 

[toto]

I'm really amzed at how reporter write headlines that have nothing to do with facts. A new headline in the times has Raffaele declaring that he never wants to see Amanda Knox again, when I know having watched the press conference that he never said that. What he said is that he no longer wish to be bound to Amanda Knox. That he would like to be known for what he will do from no on and not from the trial

Yes I agree. It's the connotations that are untrue. It is possible by not wanting to be bound to Amanda Knox they don't actually meet again, but that's not the same thing at all.

A better headline would be: "Raffaele wishes Amanda all the best, but wants to get on with his life", but I can see I would never make a subeditor!

 

[LondonJohn]

I think that's to do with her book - Raffaele is being sued over his book too. Hopefully all these opportunistic additional trials will fizzle out or be dismissed by the courts.

It's not altogether to do with her book. It's more to do with what she said in court about having been hit over the head, though she repeated the accusations in her book and in a few interviews.

 

[lonepinealex]

It's not altogether to do with her book. It's more to do with what she said in court about having been hit over the head, though she repeated the accusations in her book and in a few interviews.

Ah right, thanks for the clarification. Well that's highly unlikely to withstand the ISC motivation report, even if - if - her appeal doesn't make it through the ECHR. Which I'm sure it will.

 

[toto]

It's true...but no one really thinks that is going anywhere and NO, she could NEVER be extra diet from the US for callunia since that is not a crime in the US. The extradition treaty specifically says that you can only be extradited for something that is a crime in both countries.

I like your auto correction device! (extra diet)

 

[acbytesla]

Me too. I only wish that it won't take her too long to realise that the case against Knox and Sollecito was crazily flawed from the very start, that there never was any credible, reliable evidence of their participation in the murder, and that all the evidence is entirely compatible with Guede acting alone. I think that if she can come to understand that, then she will gain some comfort and peace from the fact that her daughter's real killer has been caught and brought to justice.

Me three. I really feel bad for her. This has always seemed like 3 kinds of hell for her. She genuinely seems like a nice woman struggling with it all. But I think that John, Stephanie and Lyle have always had the mental capacity to understand this case, but they refused to take a truly honest look at the evidence and case. I'm not sure if that was because they were brainwashed or that they had been seduced by the fortune they saw that was almost theirs.

Arline has always appeared to me as someone kind but out of her depth.

 

[charlatan]

It's easy to make mistakes. I wish I was as eloquent as you have been though. My present frustration with this Samsung Galaxy tablet S4 is many. It doesn't get the possessive use of an apostrophe sign, so when you add that 's after a name it changes it to 'so and it changes the word sex and sexual. It's like it has some kind of morality censoring as part of its program. Never mind what it does to Italian names and phrases. But you would think that it would know better to change a capitalized word in the middle of a sentence. It also has the habit of adding extra spaces between words.

All of which can easily be fixed by setting your language to Korean.

 

[acbytesla]

I like your auto correction device! (extra diet)

See? It's driving me crazy .

 

[acbytesla]

All of which can easily be fixed by setting your language to Korean.

I love how it turns sex into sexton and sexual into seal. Does it every time. I have to remember to correct the correction. And it does it for countless other words and terms. It turns FBI into FBT.I have no idea what FBT stands for.

 

[carbonjam72]

I think that's to do with her book - Raffaele is being sued over his book too. Hopefully all these opportunistic additional trials will fizzle out or be dismissed by the courts.

My sense is that this rather large ship has completed only half of it's U-turn, and that all of the anger and dismay over the performance of the Italian judicial system will now be looking to focus on a scapegoat(s), i.e., Giuliano Mignini, et als.

Mingini becomes the target of public ire and judicial investigation, the legal case against Amanda I would expect to be discharged. Indeed, the cassation opinion will hopefully address the unfairness of any further pursuit over the claim of being struck since it was the police who failed to record the interrogation and have only themselves to blame.

I wouldn't expect Raf's lawsuit to disappear as quickly though. His lawyer Brizioli was among those charged by Mignini in the Florence 20 Narducci trail case, finally resolved only last year. Cassation had sent the case back down in 2013 (right around when the Hellman acquittal was overturned) after taking out the element of conspiracy (satanic sect), and every charge against every defendant left was subject to a statute of limitations.

Brizioli alone demanded his case be heard and judged to acquittal, refusing to prevail on the technicality of statute of limitation.

I fully expect Brizioli to, in Mach's word, 'take his revenge' on Mignini in the case over Honor Bound. The revelations will drip out slowly I predict, and Mignini will become a long-running Sunday comic in the Italian press, finally seen for the buffoon that he is. And even that's assuming Mignini manages to stay out of jail. Otherwise, he'll be experiencing the same excursions to court that Amanda and Raf endured for 4 years.

I don't want to be glad about any of that. I think Mignini is a menace to society in his current and past positions in the judiciary, and should be removed from office at the least, and probably serve some time in jail or an asylum as well. But that's Italy's business. He's their mess.

 

[lonepinealex]

I love how it turns sex into sexton and sexual into seal. Does it every time. I have to remember to correct the correction. And it does it for countless other words and terms. It turns FBI into FBT.I have no idea what FBT stands for.

Ugh, the one thing I hate most about autocorrect is how prudish it is. Let me swear damn you!

 

[acbytesla]

Ugh, the one thing I hate most about autocorrect is how prudish it is. Let me swear damn you!

Cyber sex is out of the question

 

[whoanellie]

Ugh, the one thing I hate most about autocorrect is how prudish it is. Let me swear damn you!

What's with the "extra diet"?

 

[Kauffer]

Me too. I only wish that it won't take her too long to realise that the case against Knox and Sollecito was crazily flawed from the very start, that there never was any credible, reliable evidence of their participation in the murder, and that all the evidence is entirely compatible with Guede acting alone. I think that if she can come to understand that, then she will gain some comfort and peace from the fact that her daughter's real killer has been caught and brought to justice.

I fear that her level of comfort, if she did come to understand, would be seriously affected by the knowledge that her daughter's killer, as a result of a botched investigation and judicial incompetence, received an absurd mitigation, which because of the equally absurd peculiarities of the fast track system, culminated in a sentence reduced by almost half from the one originally set - and he will not serve the 16 years.

For comparative purposes, in the UK, the killer of Joanna Yeates (in the well known case involving the wrongful arrest of Christopher Jeffries), received a sentence of life imprisonment with a minimum of 20 years. Indeed, he may not be released after 20 years.

I mention this, because in one interview, Mrs Kercher expressed the view that the Italian system could be regarded as better than the British, because the judge has to write a report and we don't have these reports in Britain.