Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[katy_did]

I agree with everything in this post and I do feel the same way toward Machiavelli. He is very smart and I do appreciate his views, even if they aren't always the same as mine. This is a glorious day.

Thirded, I respect Machiavelli although I don't always agree with him. At least he had the guts to come here and have his views challenged pretty fiercely.

 

[LondonJohn]

I think there's one very important thing that needs to be said at this moment:

I found it disgusting the way that so many pro-guilt commentators attempted to polarise this debate into "pro-Knox/Sollecito" vs "Justice for Meredith".

The truth - even though they didn't want it to be the truth - was that both "sides" were looking for "Justice for Meredith".

The pro-guilt commentators believed (wrongly) that Knox and Sollecito participated alongside Guede in the murder, so for them, "Justice for Meredith" had to involve the convictions of Knox and Sollecito.

The pro-acquittal/pro-innocence commentators believed that Knox and Sollecito didn't participate in the Murder (or at the very least there was zero proper evidence to suggest that they did), and that Guede very probably committed the crime alone. So for us, "Justice for Meredith" necessitated the conviction of Guede but the acquittals of Knox and Sollecito.

I sincerely hope that Meredith Kercher's family will realise - if not now, then in time and with some space to reflect - that "Justice for Meredith" really did take place today, in that two people who did not participate in her murder were rightly acquitted of the crime.

 

[Desert Fox]

I read this on IIP:

A wise word from Michael on net to his followers:

"We must, from a legal perspective, accept the verdict of the court. Personally, however, I will never accept that Amanda Knox is innocent of murdering Meredith. She got very lucky, that's all. That happens in our legal systems. To ensure innocent people aren't convicted, some guilty people end up slipping through the net. It is, I suppose, better that way. Perhaps though, not for the victims of those who escape justice. And I hope Amanda Knox accepts she is a very lucky woman and is content with her winnings and makes no more requests of the kerchers to meet up or visit meredith's grave. It's over, leave it alone."

 

[lonepinealex]

Anyone want to open a book on how long it takes Vogt and Nadeau to suddenly start writing pro-innocence articles and making "what went so wrong with this case?" documentaries?

 

[Bill Williams]

Don't worry about that Bill - the whole nonsense has been mostly unpredictable. You've been a fine advocate. A good man.

I need that in writing!!!!

 

[icerat]

I sincerely hope that Meredith Kercher's family will realise - if not now, then in time and with some space to reflect - that "Justice for Meredith" really did take place today, in that two people who did not participate in her murder were rightly acquitted of the crime.

Unfortunately I think that's unlikely. They've psychologically invested to much in their perceived guilt. They are far more likely to rationalize the decision to fit what they've spent years convincing themselves is true.

 

[Planigale]

I think there's one very important thing that needs to be said at this moment:

I found it disgusting the way that so many pro-guilt commentators attempted to polarise this debate into "pro-Knox/Sollecito" vs "Justice for Meredith".

The truth - even though they didn't want it to be the truth - was that both "sides" were looking for "Justice for Meredith".

The pro-guilt commentators believed (wrongly) that Knox and Sollecito participated alongside Guede in the murder, so for them, "Justice for Meredith" had to involve the convictions of Knox and Sollecito.

The pro-acquittal/pro-innocence commentators believed that Knox and Sollecito didn't participate in the Murder (or at the very least there was zero proper evidence to suggest that they did), and that Guede very probably committed the crime alone. So for us, "Justice for Meredith" necessitated the conviction of Guede but the acquittals of Knox and Sollecito.

I sincerely hope that Meredith Kercher's family will realise - if not now, then in time and with some space to reflect - that "Justice for Meredith" really did take place today, in that two people who did not participate in her murder were rightly acquitted of the crime.

Well put.

 

[Suffolk Skeptic]

Yo Suffolk! What you doing in these here parts? Please don't tell me you're pro-guilt on this one.

Haha no, I always know the truth

I had been refreshing my flipping twitter feed every 30 seconds all day! Eventually I logged in here to see if you good folk had any inside info.

You didn't.

I'm feeling quite emotional. I've been carrying the fight on this one on far less august forums than this, with poor results.

But now it matters not

 

[lonepinealex]

Just to re-post what I asked a couple of pages back - what happens to the civil case now? Is that still going on? Are we going to have an O J Simpson-style rematch?

 

[Samson]

My understanding is that at least one of the hate sites has pulled the plug

TJMK it seems. I expect those like Peter Quennell should be worried, ironically to have had the courage to use their real names.

 

[TruthCalls]

What an amazing display of courage by the Italian high court. I've never been prouder to be Italian. Will be celebrating tonight for Amanda, Raffaele and in seeing justice win out over incompetence and corruption. Still pinching myself..

 

[Antony]

Michael on PMF.net has issued some fatherly advice to his fellow posters, about getting carried away and making posts which could be libellous. Seems like an outbreak of reality.

At last! The kind of wild statements that have been common currency on the blogs in this case are now, officially, defamatory.

 

[Kauffer]

There are still a number of cases connected to the farce outstanding, remember.

Still resolutions for them to obtain.

 

[Nick Terry]

Anyone want to open a book on how long it takes Vogt and Nadeau to suddenly start writing pro-innocence articles and making "what went so wrong with this case?" documentaries?

Nadeau gave a phone interview to CNN reporting from Rome on the website breaking-news story, and repeatedly emphasised reasonable doubt. But she's already been doing that when promoting/writing about the current movie.

 

[carbonjam72]

I don't like that. . . . .If he did not threaten with violence, people should have the right of free speech even if horrid.

My understanding, and I apologize if this is inaccurate, is that he provides "faith healing services" to families with autistic children, and accepts post-dated check for his "services".

I saw his advocacy as the expression of a very rare creature, taking the opportunity to lead a band of rubes down a primrose path.

Guess I'll just leave it at that.

I have have the fullest respect I am capable of giving for people expressing their opinion, indeed I applaud it. Maybe I' can learn something.

But malicious bullies, conmen, and their ilk, they are cut from a different cloth, imo.

 

[bolint]

So it is finished.
It never was a strong case and combined with the very poor job of the prosecution/police from the beginning, there never really was a chance to go beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[katy_did]

Andrea Vogt @andreavogt · 4m 4 minutes ago

Giulia Bongiorno literally jumped into Carlo Dalla Vedova's arms for a huge hug as they exited the courtroom.

In her book she says that when she wins a case, she has to restrain herself from jumping onto the table in front of her. I'm amazed she managed it this time...

 

[TruthCalls]

I read this on IIP:

A wise word from Michael on net to his followers:

"We must, from a legal perspective, accept the verdict of the court. Personally, however, I will never accept that Amanda Knox is innocent of murdering Meredith. She got very lucky, that's all. That happens in our legal systems. To ensure innocent people aren't convicted, some guilty people end up slipping through the net. It is, I suppose, better that way. Perhaps though, not for the victims of those who escape justice. And I hope Amanda Knox accepts she is a very lucky woman and is content with her winnings and makes no more requests of the kerchers to meet up or visit meredith's grave. It's over, leave it alone."

Classless to the end.

 

[Kauffer]

Arline Kercher "surprised and shocked"

Barbie wasn't even aware that an acquittal was even possible.

 

[Desert Fox]

My understanding, and I apologize if this is inaccurate, is that he provides "faith healing services" to families with autistic children, and accepts post-dated check for his "services". I saw his advocacy as as the expression of a very rare creature, taking the opportunity to lead a band of rubes down a primrose path.

Guess I'll just leave it at that.

I have have the fullest respect I am capable of giving for people expressing their opinion, indeed I applaud it. Maybe I' can learn something.

But malicious bullies, conmen, and their ilk, they are cut from a different cloth, imo.

That is a different issue which is disgusting and should be criminal because people may go for his healing services when real medicine might help them.
He might be worthy of a regular ISF post because of that.