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Dick Cheney thinks Obama is worst President of his lifetime

sunmaster14 said:
Democrats unfairly and viciously attacked Palin and tried their best to bring her down before it could possibly be known that she was an idiot. That she did indeed turn out to be an idiot does not justify their disgraceful strategy leading up to the 2008 election, nor the vitriol that they've directed at her since. Ironically, the unfair treatment of Palin in the media has kept her in the spotlight and been good for her bank account as some conservatives reflexively rally around her. It's certainly an interesting phenomenon at any rate.

As for Bill Maher, he is truly vile. Even worse, he's not funny. I do not wish for his death though, nor anyone's, simply because he's obnoxious or disagrees with me politically. To wish for Dick Cheney's death, or to compare him to a serial killer, is to disparage oneself rather than Dick Cheney.
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Yes, they viciously attacked Palin. The got Katy Couric to ask her what she reads, knowing full well that the truthful answer was "Nothin'".
 
Red Baron Farms said:
Depends on the context. Cheney was in favor of and linked to war crimes, seeing as how torturing prisoners is a war crime. If a court sentenced him to death, I wouldn't protest. Didn't they execute Saddam for much of the same reasons? But the winner of a war never executes its own war criminals. So it will never even go to trial. They already found a few scapegoats for the torture incidents. They didn't get death either. Doesn't mean I would protest if they did. Torturing prisoners is a very serious offense to humanity. The excuses for it are certainly far from meeting the bar required for justification.
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You want the death penalty for what the CIA did to a handful of al Qaeda captives? That's a pretty wacky moral compass you've got there.
 
SezMe said:
I gotta go with sunmater14 here. I think Cheney was a disaster for the country but it speaks ill of anyone who applauds or urges another's death.
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I'm gonna be conditional on this. Cheney's death in 2001-2006 would have been very beneficial to the world. Now that he has no power and little influence, not so much. I won't shed any tears when he dies, but I don't much care whether that happens tomorrow or ten years from now.
 
sunmaster14 said:
You know, I'm sure that I've posted those citations before in this forum. I don't have time to do it now, since I have to run some errands. If I find time later, I will do it. I remember finding some mea culpas from some Palin detractors after the election who admitted that her political skills freaked them out, and so they decided it was necessary to destroy her reputation as quickly as possible. There are plenty of attacks you can find with a few minutes of googling though. Look for some by Andrew Sullivan, where he dug up dirt on her religion(as if there is any mainstream religion which doesn't look insane under scrutiny).
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Andrew Sullivan isn't some left wing liberal, he's a conservative.
 
sunmaster14 said:
You want the death penalty for what the CIA did to a handful of al Qaeda captives? That's a pretty wacky moral compass you've got there.
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Actually no. I simply said if that was the penalty given by a court, I wouldn't object. It is that serious an offense. That's not the same thing as what I want. There are a broad range of outcomes that I wouldn't object to, but they all involve a court of law. The only thing I would actually want is that the issue be decided in court. It's all about context. The original post was
To wish for Dick Cheney's death, or to compare him to a serial killer, is to disparage oneself rather than Dick Cheney.
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And that isn't necessarily the case. What you do is decide it in court and hopefully a decent judge decides the appropriate penalty, as opposed to politicians covering their own arses. The only injustice is that, as I said before, war criminals in general only get prosecuted on the loosing side. The winning side's war criminals are generally protected from prosecution. I don't actually want the death penalty. What I want is to maintain the reputation of the USA as a country that doesn't commit war crimes, and severely prosecutes anyone who commits them. That includes those in power sending out orders. That penalty could include up to and including the death penalty. But a judge decides.
 
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Olowkow said:
He is openly gay and a practicing Roman Catholic. Can't possibly be a conservative.:rolleyes:
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He's a horrible human being. His "trig truther" nonsense obsession with Sarah palin's uterus was absolutely shameful. Too many steroids for Mr. "Muscle Glutes" Sullivan have left him incoherent.
 
sunmaster14 said:
You want the death penalty for what the CIA did to a handful of al Qaeda captives? That's a pretty wacky moral compass you've got there.
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I'd say he would if he did, considering that the only cases I'd consider for the death penalty would be serial/mass murder or similar crimes against humanity.
 
sunmaster14 said:
You want the death penalty for what the CIA did to a handful of al Qaeda captives? That's a pretty wacky moral compass you've got there.
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United States law makes torture a crime punishable by up to life in prison. Death if somebody dies as a result (at least one person did). It makes no difference whatsoever that the victims were suspected of being al Qaeda operatives - the law doesn't grant an exception for people suspected of being bad guys. Not that all the people Dick Cheney was responsible for torturing were bad guys. Lots of them (~25%) were innocent. Cheney has made it clear that he doesn't even care that innocent people were tortured under his illegal torture program. If him not caring about the fact that he tortured innocent people doesn't make him evil, nobody is evil
 
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Tony Stark said:
If him not caring about the fact that he tortured innocent people doesn't make him evil, nobody is evil
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Not quite. It depends on your affiliations. If you're a Republican then anything up to and including torture and genocide is OK, but if you're a Democrat then just having a personal email address makes you evil.
 
Tony Stark said:
I wouldn't say taking the law into your own hands is moral, but Dick Cheney's assassination would have made the world a better place.
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But if he got assassinated before it was too late, what do you think would have happened? Cheney wasn't the only one pushing for war, and his death could have been used to get people even more riled up in support of it.

62,040,610 voters apparently approved of Cheney's actions, and if he was eliminated they would have just voted for someone else with similar views - because that's what they wanted. How many politicians would you have to assassinate to get republican Voters to change their minds?
 
Roger Ramjets said:
But if he got assassinated before it was too late, what do you think would have happened? Cheney wasn't the only one pushing for war, and his death could have been used to get people even more riled up in support of it.

62,040,610 voters apparently approved of Cheney's actions, and if he was eliminated they would have just voted for someone else with similar views - because that's what they wanted. How many politicians would you have to assassinate to get republican Voters to change their minds?
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There is no way to be sure but I think that there is a very good chance that if it weren't for him the war never would have happened. He was certainly the main one pushing for war and the one that had the most influence over the person that was supposedly in charge.
 
sunmaster14 said:
I don't believe you. Her appearances and speeches were heavily scripted prior to the Republican convention, and I don't think it was reasonably at all to infer that she was a know-nothing. I can see being biased against her "hicky" accent, but that's simply irrational bias. No, she was viciously attacked leading up to the Republican convention and in the days after, long before anything substantive was known about her.
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Except by those of us who put up with her "governance" for that partial term.
We do sometimes communicate with the rest of America.
Alaska was a contender in the "My governor is stupider than your governor" contest for a while.
Then she quit and Texas won.
 
Elf Grinder 3000 said:
GDP under obama

0.9% GDP

He's a failure and the dismal economic growth demonstrates this

Socialism doesn't work
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GDP under Bush
The last year of Bush's second term was dominated by an economic recession... GDP declined by an annualized -0.5% in the third quarter and -3.8% in the fourth quarter of 2008.
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Bush was a failure and the dismal economic growth recession that started under him demonstrates this

Capitalism doesn't work

Elf Grinder 3000 fail!
 
Roger Ramjets said:
GDP under BushBush was a failure and the dismal economic growth recession that started under him demonstrates this

Capitalism doesn't work

Elf Grinder 3000 fail!
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We have averaged 3.3% growth historically and the only times we have averaged below 1% has been under Obama and Carter.

The liberal economics does not work. Welfare doesn't work.

Yes lets have the debate your policies are a total complete failure.

Flat tax, eliminate welfare, opt out of social security the private sector generates jobs not the government.

You loose on all counts
 
sunmaster14 said:
Your failure to find any NY Times articles which dig into Obama's religion to anywhere near the degree that the article I cited dug into Palin's goes to prove my point.
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I provided multiple articles that examined multiple aspects of his religion and how he interacted with religion. Silly me, I presented evidence to a man of partisan faith.

Carry on!
 
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