To a (R), Red Tailed Hawk = Abortion

Trebuchet said:
The saying is usually "sausage and law". You might not want to know what goes into either. But the result is generally better with sausage.
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I have butchered cows and pigs and made sausage and i still eat both.
 
NoahFence said:
So here's your lesson kids - whatever you do, go off topic. And when you go off topic, go big! That quote was in chamber in front of the kids. Real nice.
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I think you are being a little harsh, at heat he knew it was a bird. Baby steps my friend.........baby steps
 
Yet another obscure state legislator thread. Like we don't have enough of these.
 
KDLarsen said:
Could have been worse, the legislature could have tacked on a couple of riders, like they did in Kentucky:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...3ab566-c72e-11e4-a199-6cb5e63819d2_story.html
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Kentucky's protection-of-religious-speech amendment:
SFA (3, A. Robinson) - Amend KRS 158.183 to permit students to voluntarily express religious or political viewpoints in school assignments free from discrimination; require local boards of education to ensure that the selection of student speakers is made in a viewpoint neutral manner; prohibit the student's prepared remarks from being reviewed, altered, or censured before delivery, except upon student's request; allow religious and political organizations equal access to public forums on the same basis as nonreligious and nonpolitical organizations; prohibit discrimination against any recognized religious or political student organization in the ordering of its internal affairs; create a new section of KRS Chapter 164 to require public postsecondary education institution governing boards to ensure that students are permitted to voluntarily express religious or political viewpoints in assignments free from discrimination; require the selection of student speakers to be made in a viewpoint-neutral manner; prohibit the student's prepared remarks from being reviewed, altered, or censured before delivery; allow religious and political organizations equal access to public forums on the same basis as nonreligious and nonpolitical organizations; prohibit discrimination against any recognized religious or political student organization in the ordering of its internal affairs; prohibit restrictions on speech that occurs outdoors on campus and is protected by the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution, except for restrictions that are reasonable, justified without reference to speech content, narrowly tailored to serve governmental interest, and limited to provide alternative options for the communication of the information.​
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ETA I was going to break up the block of text, but then I realized that it was all one sentence.
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NoahFence said:
Today's installment of 'How stupid can a Republican be' - I give you the shining light on the hill in New Hampshire. Not since the days of the founding fathers have we seen such insightful debate in a hall of government.

It seems a 4th grade class, in an effort to be taught how government works, got a first hand look at, well - how government works. The idea was to get a fluff bill sponsored and sent through the process of making it law.

The bill? Making the Red Tailed Hawk the state raptor. Not so fast, says the less-than honorable Rep. Warren Groen (R-Rochester):



So here's your lesson kids - whatever you do, go off topic. And when you go off topic, go big! That quote was in chamber in front of the kids. Real nice.
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I agree. The legislator is a ass and I hope his constituents feel the same way. He deserves to be voted out of office at the earliest opportunity. That he finds abortion disgusting doesn't trouble me. I'm more saddened by the fact that so many people seem to find this attitude either incomprehensible or unacceptable. That he finds red-tailed hawks disgusting also doesn't trouble me, though I happen to disagree strongly. Red-tailed hawks, and raptor birds in general, are awesome. That he draws an analogy between the two as a way of expressing his disgust doesn't trouble me, though it is perhaps not very artful, or apt. But taking this opportunity to express his disgust towards abortion, by means of pooping all over a feel-good bill promoted by a bunch of schoolchildren--to their faces, no less--is just a dick move all around.

Congrats republicans.
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Enh. Aside from his closest supporters and some extreme anti-abortionists, I doubt you'll find much support for this among Republicans. I think Hillary's decision to handle her State Department correspondence on a personal email server, along with her resistance to reasonable demands for transparency and accountability on this issue, and the Democrat's overwhelming support for this behavior, is a lot more troubling. You could stack up a lot of trivial jackassery such as this hawk=abortion thing, before the pile matched the height of crap that Hillary's party is willing to tolerate from their own. Congrats, democrats.
 
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Brainster said:
Yet another obscure state legislator thread. Like we don't have enough of these.
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Given that state legislatures appears to be the only legislative bodies in the US not stuck in a permanent gridlock, I'd dare say shining the spotlight on their inhabitants every now and then, might actually be a good idea.
 
Puppycow said:
To be honest, I'm kind of sympathetic to the following argument:


Maybe there are more important issues they should be debating than bills like this. The state legislature isn't there to teach civics to 4th graders.
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The state legislature isn't there to teach civics to 4th graders, it's there to preach to them about abortion! You know, that abortion that the US Supreme Court ruled is legal, so state legislatures don't really have the power to make laws making it illegal? But golly, it's that 4th grade class bill to make the red-tailed hawk the state raptor that's what's wasting time!
 
shemp said:
Here in New Hampshire, we have 400 (yes, 400!) state representatives in the state house. Statistically, some of them are bound to be loons.
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Loons are one thing - persons actively putting down children in public the way several of those ******** did is criminally evil. Their departure from this vale of tears would cause me no grief or care.
 
shemp said:
Here in New Hampshire, we have 400 (yes, 400!) state representatives in the state house. Statistically, some of them are bound to be loons.
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Yikes. I just looked up the numbers. In state legislatures New Hamshire tops the list with one representative to every 3,100 citizens. California is at the other end with one representative for every 465,000. Nationally, we average one state legislature representative for every 60,000 citizens.
 
KDLarsen said:
Given that state legislatures appears to be the only legislative bodies in the US not stuck in a permanent gridlock, I'd dare say shining the spotlight on their inhabitants every now and then, might actually be a good idea.
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More than now and then. It is in the states that a lot of ground-breaking legislation is bubbling up. Abortion. Gun rights. Church and state. Education. Etc. The state legislatures need A LOT more attention.
 
SezMe said:
More than now and then. It is in the states that a lot of ground-breaking legislation is bubbling up. Abortion. Gun rights. Church and state. Education. Etc. The state legislatures need A LOT more attention.
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And a lot of beating down in a goodly number of them.
 
SezMe said:
More than now and then. It is in the states that a lot of ground-breaking legislation is bubbling up. Abortion. Gun rights. Church and state. Education. Etc. The state legislatures need A LOT more attention.
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I would say that one's own state legislature needs a lot more attention. Other state legislatures should largely be left to their own devices, under the watchful eyes of their own attentive citizens.

What's the point of having a republic of individual states, if people make such a fetish of big government as to insist that every issue in every state is a matter of National Important, that requires the input and overrule of people half a continent away?
 
Don't miss any opportunity to advance your political agenda, no matter how convoluted and how many children's feelings you must crush to do so. Didn't Ted Cruz feel the need to emphasize that his remark, that the "world is on fire," was true when questioned by a child? Or am I confusing this with a song lyric?
 
theprestige said:
What's the point of having a republic of individual states, if people make such a fetish of big government as to insist that every issue in every state is a matter of National Important, that requires the input and overrule of people half a continent away?
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I generally agree with two exceptions. One is gerrymandering in any one state affects national politics and everyone in every state. Second is the (so far failed) attempt to reallocate Electoral College votes by state district, but only in states where that would help the Republicans. That would be a national disaster.
 
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