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The standard for "outdoor experience" has to be judged by what the claimant is using it to promote. In the case of bigfoot the BLAARGer claims an experience and knowledge level that goes beyond someone professionally trained in real animal science, real field work, or real outdoor enthusiasm of various kinds.

So we are not talking about the "typical" redneck hunter - forgive me for not really knowing what that standard is in Kentucky. But the BLAARGer insists his skill level is extraordinary. The time spent in the woods is extraordinary. So extraordinary that all these hours, all these years, and the vast experience/knowledge base gives him this huge advantage over people that are acknowledged experts. The experts have failed us, so we need the super-expert.

An insight I am trying to share is that once you have actually accumulated a level of experience that is being alleged - you don't need bigfoot. The real world has plenty enough adventure, intrigue, and excitement. There are millions of us that can lay down an experience base that makes the BLAARGer's experience level effectively zero by comparison and I would include the farmer living on the fringe of this Green River area. He is there all year in daylight and nighttime, he has seen every animal in the region and knows their habits even if he isn't specifically studying them because he has so much time watching incidentally. Vastly more time than the person who visits the area occasionally and claiming to be hunting bigfoot there.

That is the general rule by my observation, including superstars like Matt Moneymaker. But there are some interesting exceptions, the most notable being Peter Byrne. Byrne was a tiger hunting guide in Nepal. We can't call his bona-fides into question regarding big game animal pursuit. But the worldwide golden big game hunting era had ended, his business was facing collapse, and the new era of environmentalism was upon him.

He was in an area where the government, the porters, the retailers, etc. had seized upon the Yeti as a great hoax for generating additional revenue as an adjunct to the mountain climbing expeditions. Byrne cashed in on his reputation as a big game hunting guide to transform himself into a Yeti hunter and at the same time got the US government to buy his Tiger hunting concession and turn it into a tiger preserve. From that point on he had a spectacular career milking millionaires and foundations for a lot of money to hunt this nonexistent animal.

So I submit that as a general rule BLAARGing is a self-selection phenomenon by people who DON'T have exciting, arduous, scary, adventuresome experiences and that is why they BLAARG. The exceptions to this rule are people that have a profit motive or the pop culture fame motive, in which case you can capitalize on even quite legitimate experience, even professional science experience, to garner that reward.

ChrisBFRKY made a compliment to me and I want to acknowledge that and he had mentioned pictures I took of a trail I busted in to an old mining cabin 40 miles off. One of the reasons I didn't post for a while was fear. Before I had children, I feared nothing. Crashing planes, sinking boats, going through the ice, charging bears, fighting two weight classes above my own - Oh Boy! But once I got that trail in, I couldn't bring myself to put my wife and kids that far out, even now that it is warmer. I know what fear is. Geez, I was out there at thirty below zero, just a walk in the park. But trying to psych up for the whole family, my hands were shaking and I started to well up with tears. The things that went through my mind - just awful. I had set up an expectation of doing a semi-real expedition with my family and the embarrassment of not following through, on account of fear. Oh well.

So I understand BLAARGing. Pitch the tent in the living room; Daddy puts a grizzly hide over himself and pretends to be looking for little boys to eat.
 
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Cervelo said:
If I had known that prior to signing there would have been no signing or hike.
When I pulled up to the location I guess that was the first WTF moment.

The second was when Chris let me know he had brought a second handgun for me. I asked if he felt it was needed and he indicated he was bringing his.

Now I typically open carry when I'm out alone for a few days but not always.
So initially I was going to leave my weapon behind then I thought well I don't want to leave it in my soft top Jeep in case someone breaks into it....again this place is high traffic and I assumed Chris had reason for concern.

So off we went packing large to hunt the mighty stumpsquatch of Kentucy, I felt particular embarrassed about the weapons when we were hurrying to get out of the woods before it got really dark and met a family hiking in to their cook-out.
It's not so much that this area is or isn't remote it's the amount of traffic it gets again there's nothing undiscovered over 1lbs IMO at this location.
We also failed to warn then about stumpsquatch!
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Cervelo said:
I think it does have some bearing on the veracity of his claims and contributes to an overall picture IMO of someone who's either full of it or eat up with it.
He can't or won't support any of his claims
What he does present is pictures of trees...think Sasfooty
I drove to see his evidence and he may as well have taken me on a hike in any urban park.

When you meet someone face to face it makes a difference and there's a reason I spent no more time with Chris after our one adventure...I had better things to do with my time and if there was something to discover it wasn't going to happen with him in tow.
And as I've said before he's a nice guy in person and sometimes I struggle with that he's the same person posting here that I spent time with. But I'm sure the same could be said about me LOL!
Imagine your going to go birding/hiking/hunting and this guy shows up black jacket and two handguns...this is literally what I thought when we meet...Tony Saprano with a Kentucky accent!
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It may not be fair to judge a book by its cover but in some cases it's warranted.
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We seem to have two different opinions as to the intentions of the "family group" we met on our way out. It's ok to disagree, let's look at both sides here and apply some critical thinking.

You saw a cooler, so you say they were on a picnic, then later a cookout. I can understand the relationship with coolers and picnics and cookouts, so that's not altogether an invalid theory. But when we add in more factors like time of day, it was after sunset and getting dark. Why would someone take their family on a picnic at night? No grill either. So highly unlikely they had planned a picnic or cookout.

Alright, you saw a cooler, let's review what I saw and think about it for a moment. I saw 2 adult males, 3 adult females,and 1 infant in a stroller. The adult female (mid 20's) pushing the stroller had a small camera case on her left wrist very similar to my little Sony camcorder case, so I suspect she may have been carrying a Sony camcorder or similar in it. The stroller was a hard wheeled type and I felt especially bad for the infant having that very bumpy ride.

The other two adult females were not carrying cases though one had what looked like either a one strap backpack or a jacket slung over her shoulder and she appeared to have been in her teens. The other, late 20's to early 30's.

One of the adult males (late teens to early 20's) was carrying nothing that I could see, the other male (late 20's early 30's) was pushing a solid wheeled type two wheel dolly white in color. Strapped on that dolly was a blue cooler with a white lid. I suspect it was an igloo brand. I did not see the brand name
on it that night because on the top of the cooler was a large black/dark colored case about half the thickness of the cooler, on top of that case was a smaller case that resembled an older camcorder case. The two cases on top would have covered the "igloo" name but it was likely an igloo brand IMO as I have the exact same cooler. Also the adult male pushing the dolly had his left hand on the top case to hold it in place.

I also asked them if they were going where we went. The response was "Yes". I responded "It's a long way." After we walked further I told you I had asked them that to see if they would lie to me, and I told you they did.
They were almost at their intended destination when we met. The lie confirmed their true destination IMO. Think about it, could they have taken
that stroller and dolly over and under those downed trees we encountered and down and back up that hill we trekked? No way.

So, by my reasoning they were ghost hunters. They were misleading as to their true destination. The black cases contained some sort of equipment, possibly sound and or video equipment. The time of day they were there (night time) seals the deal IMO.

The cooler more than likely contained sodas, beer and ice for their Saturday night ghost hunt adventure. Oh and there was no reason for me to be concerned about those folks. Remember the large guy pushing the dolly? He was carrying a black/dark handled side arm, most likely a semiauto. Glocks are popular here, but by guessing by his appearance, I'd think it was likely a Taurus or low end. So there was really no need for you to feel embarressed for carrying. It's common here.

I know what you're thinking whether you will admit it or not, as you are now likely remembering more details. "How can someone remember that much in detail?" If you really knew me, you'd know how. I'm not trying to make you angry. All I ask is for you to think about what you actually saw a bit then give my opinion some thought.

About memory, I noticed the pic of the guy in the black jacket you posted and the comments in the post. That was funny but kinda misleading. When we
first met I was wearing an American Eagle OD green nylon jacket similar in looks to a field jacket and camo hiking boots. I changed into the ratty
black leather jacket when we arrived on site and I told you why then, because that's the jacket I was wearing when I had my previous sighting there.

I have no idea where you came up with the tennis shoes comment, not that it matters as I do wear tennis shoes almost daily, but not that day and not
when I'm trekking. The inaccuracies are uncalled for if intentional, if unintentional I can somewhat understand. If you want to poke fun at me please be accurate when doing so is all I ask.

If you like to poke fun about me stopping for the stump, that's fine. If you remember, I laughed about it too. I didn't claim it to be anything other than a stump though. I've never claimed to be super human or a rugged mountain man either, but I can track and hunt and fish and though you may be in better health than me, I believe my observation skills are fine. I stopped for the deer just like I did for the stump. You did see both. So as far as seeing things that aren't there, not so much as you would like others to believe for some reason.
Chris B.
 
Ghost hunters? Seriously? Am I missing something here? Is that a very popular past time in KY?

They had coolers and a stroller and a people with a variety of ages and you jump from family outing to ghost hunters? WTF???
 
dmaker said:
Ghost hunters? Seriously? Am I missing something here? Is that a very popular past time in KY?

They had coolers and a stroller and a people with a variety of ages and you jump from family outing to ghost hunters? WTF???
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Yes, you are missing something. They had 1 cooler. It is a popular idiocy here. Yes again, I believe they were ghost hunters as per my observations.
Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Yes, you are missing something. They had 1 cooler. It is a popular idiocy here. Yes again, I believe they were ghost hunters as per my observations.

Chris B.
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Just to chime in here, your observations are hardly reliable are they.
You see magic monkey men when others see tree stumps.
 
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ComfySlippers said:
Just to chime in here, you're observations are hardly reliable are they.
You see magic monkey men when others see tree stumps.
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ETA: a very lengthy post about coolers and ghost hunters.
Did the ghost hunters with all their "equipment" not capture an image of magic monkey man?
 
Those are some scary woods. Ghost hunters and bigfoot hunters all in the same place! And they even bring the young ones in a stroller. Fun for the whole family, BLAARGing is..
 
Speculation about baby-wielding ghost hunters and cooler brands, demonstration of superhuman observation and recall down to determining the shade of a holstered sidearm in the growing dark and the deduction of its manufacture based on the appearance of the bearer, but nothing about this?

Garrette said:
You're playing poorly here, unless your sole goal is to get us to spend time. If so, consider it a win, but it's a win for us, too. We do what we enjoy.

Reference the first bit I highlighted. The cave country area is primarily in Edmonson County. Public land hunting is limited to Wildlife Management Areas. The WMA nearest is Nolin Lake WMA (gorgeous place if you're one of the many people, usually well off, to have a lakeside "cabin" (scare quotes because many of the cabins would make superb first homes for most people)).

From the Nolin Lake WMA website:

"Hunting is allowed in small isolated areas, mostly accessible by boat."

As I have pointed out before, I am no hunter, and it's possible I'm missing something here, but I don't think so.

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Reference the second highlighted area:

No known big cats in Kentucky. There are reported sightings, but none that have held up. At least one, in fact, turned out to be a dog. That said, it's not impossible nor even so unlikely that it would be hugely surprising if some exist, but to say they are cause enough for concern to go armed? Makes me wonder how your risk assessment is done.

And THAT being said, it doesn't bother me that you carry, nor do I think the simple fact that you do indicates anything other than that you carry. Your defense of it, though, is lacking.
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
I know what you're thinking whether you will admit it or not, as you are now likely remembering more details.
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There's s psychic thread hereabouts.
"How can someone remember that much in detail?" If you really knew me, you'd know how.
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Well, since it's a common phenomenon to embellish memories every time we unpack them, it's sort of a given that we'd add details. It's also a common foible to imagine our memory to be much better than it actually is. This information is readily available to anyone who cares to find it, in scientific journals as well as popular literature. Unlike bigfoot evidence, which is found only on proponent websites, and on silly TV programs.
 
Garrette said:
Speculation about baby-wielding ghost hunters and cooler brands, demonstration of superhuman observation and recall down to determining the shade of a holstered sidearm in the growing dark and the deduction of its manufacture based on the appearance of the bearer, but nothing about this?
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Sorry, I went back and picked it up.

Garrette said:
You're playing poorly here, unless your sole goal is to get us to spend time. If so, consider it a win, but it's a win for us, too. We do what we enjoy.

Reference the first bit I highlighted. The cave country area is primarily in Edmonson County. Public land hunting is limited to Wildlife Management Areas. The WMA nearest is Nolin Lake WMA (gorgeous place if you're one of the many people, usually well off, to have a lakeside "cabin" (scare quotes because many of the cabins would make superb first homes for most people)).

From the Nolin Lake WMA website:

"Hunting is allowed in small isolated areas, mostly accessible by boat."

As I have pointed out before, I am no hunter, and it's possible I'm missing something here, but I don't think so.

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Reference the second highlighted area:

No known big cats in Kentucky. There are reported sightings, but none that have held up. At least one, in fact, turned out to be a dog. That said, it's not impossible nor even so unlikely that it would be hugely surprising if some exist, but to say they are cause enough for concern to go armed? Makes me wonder how your risk assessment is done.

And THAT being said, it doesn't bother me that you carry, nor do I think the simple fact that you do indicates anything other than that you carry. Your defense of it, though, is lacking.
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I don't bargain my well being on the good will of a wild animal. So I carry. I have seen large cats in the area, and others have seen them here as well. There has been one confirmed cat killed in KY. I'd likely still carry even without that threat though. It's not an issue either way IMO. Though I seem to be the only person here to receive any sort of ridicule for that practice. I will not apologize if it offends anyone. They'll need to get over it or die with it. I will either open or concealed carry as long as I choose to.

I will agree with your findings on Edmonson County and Nolin Lake. I spend alot of time at Nolin fishing and relaxing in the Summer. I've never seen a Bigfoot there though. But there does seem to be 5 sightings listed for Edmonson County at Charlie Raymond's site here: http://www.kentuckybigfoot.com/reports.htm

I know of a few more that weren't reported. So who knows?
Chris B.
 
I've made a post in an unrelated topic thread where I mentioned that, eventually it's time to ring that bell at the side of the boxing ring to signal that it's time for the game to end.
(If anyone can find my glasses I'll find the link :) )

Taking at face value is all we can do on the intertubes, but there comes a time to ring that bell.

Chris you have been called so many times over many many pages.
Your lies are, to be honest, akin to watching a train wreck,

From the categories that have been suggested I offer the following for perusal by others:

You're not experiencing Pareidolia.
: was that to be the case then you seriously need an eye test,

You're not BLAARGING.
: to invite someone to see the public park you play in a few times a year is, to be frank, odd.
: you still refuse to show your compelling evidence even though you have 15 seconds of HD Video of a family of magic monkeys. Plus a pretend NDA.you have mentioned that said has been broken, yet you do nothing about it. Ding Ding.

I can reach only of a few conclusions:

:Doctor Time. Sorry for saying that but I'm trying to be truthful.
Or
:A cursory, that's not actually true as I'm not familiar with the area so it was a bit more in depth. No biggy, I'm good at cursory search, unfortunately I'm damned good at doing the difficult research. However the area/state in which you live seems to be for tourist/financial benefit trying to cash in on the scam of figboot.

It would be a terrible shame on either account if you were
A: trying to cash in
Or
B: actually falling for it.
 
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