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They are also diurnal and crepuscular. They swim Puget Sound, run down caribou in Alaska, and bison in Yellowstone. They bounce on backyard trampolines, teach the little ones to slap houses, yet are so elusive as to confound confirmation. They **** in three foot segments, or not at all. They mimic all sorts of animal vocalizations (especially when you point out the alleged footie cry is a coyote) and may even possess proto-language.

If you think it, footie can be it. Because it's all made up.

I first heard of Bigfoot in my childhood, shortly after the Patterson Film was released. Back then, Bigfoot was a rare, elusive creature found in pretty wild country in the Pacific Northwest -- Northern California to British Columbia. It was, even then, of course, a creature for which the only evidence was hoaxed footprints and one blurry, shaky movie of questionable provenance. However, it was perhaps only a little short of plausible that such a creature might have gone undiscovered such an area.

Now, if we are to believe the footers, bigfoot is in every little patch of second or third growth woods in North America, banging on trees and throwing candy at people, yet, somehow, leaving no evidence of their existence but crappy videos, footprints and tall tales.

Frankly, I find the idea that a large mammal can live anywhere east of the Rocky Mountains in the US to be so ridiculous that I don't know whether to laugh at it or pity anyone foolish enough to believe it.

I have no idea as to the ratio of true believers to BLARRGers among the bigfoot advocates, but the former think everybody else is stupid, and the latter are stupid.

Mind you the notion of undiscovered land animals anywhere in the world is not much more plausible then Bigfeet in Kentucky, Oklahoma or Ohio, but it might be just barely possible that they are lurking in some remote corner of the world (Alasa, Siberia, ?). However, if there are any undiscovered large animals in the world, the most likely place to find them would be in the ocean.

The morphing of bigfoot from rare, elusive creature of the Northwest to tree-knockin' candy-tossin' hootin', hollerin' critter that is everywhere but nowhere is to me proof beyond any possibility of doubt that it is a creature that exists only in the imagination of some humans.
 
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You know when you sit down with the guy eye to eye he seems very sincere and believeable. But then see how he conducts himself here and it's hard for me to believe its actually the same person....go figure!?!
I guess for me having had almost every single experience footers want to ascribe to Bigfoot, with two notable exceptions...never a sighting or track in my time kicking around the woods...it's hard for me to not step back and say "ok what was that most likley" or actually step up and investigate the "unknown" or just sit tight and have it reveal itself as some common animal.

I spent sometime with PT on my little adventure and we had an experience on a hike we took that if we were footers would have been a slam dunk "Bigfoot intimidation tree display"! Guess what we went towards the "action" and had a great laugh at footers expense.

My guess is most footers/knowers/beleeeeevvvers have very little outdoor experience and a very good imagination. They experience something they can't explain and out of ignorance jump to a silly conclusion. Then they get a little group think going with like minded people and walla you have a "footer"!

After that it gets a little weird...you either have people that go "hey this is what I experienced"...oh ok that was an owl or yote or they fall down the rabbit hole of can't be anything but Bigfoot.
Someone who comes to a skeptics fourm shoveling the manure that OS, Chris and their ilk....that's a whole other level of footer!

Being somebody who has spent a fair amount of time in the outdoors, I've had a few "WTF was that?" moments, whether it was a call I've never heard before, a rustle in the vegetation, a glimpse of something unidentifiable moving in the trees, or a rock in the distance that looks like an animal (rule 1: If you watch it for a few minutes and it doesn't move, it's probably not an animal). Often, if you keep observing, it will become apparent what you saw or heard; sometimes, it remains a mystery. Jumping to conclusions on too little evidence will lead to becoming a footer, or, if you hunt, accidentally shooting a non-target species, or worse, a human.
 
I had a Mexican standoff of sorts with a moose in Glacier National Park a few years ago. The kissing thing seems well and truly out of the question.
 
Ridiculous for such a thing on any public land managed for recreation.

As for packing large, it sounds like the trails are okay for concealed carry. That said, Cervelo's first-hand experience with Chris speaks volumes. Here's a guy so worried about the giant bigfoot monsters that he won't go near them unless he's in Dirty Harry mode, yet he makes no attempt to warn unprotected families to stay away?

Chris, how many young lives must be snuffed out by the bigfoots before you take action to keep unsuspecting families out of the squatchy areas? Why won't you think of the children?

Cervelo showed up on opening day of deer season here. Of course since safety is the #1 factor, this limited the areas I could take him safely to one. It was a good area though that had yielded the Bigfoot hillside family group video previously. No further activity along the area we trekked in though since. Though I still go there about 3 times per season on and around the anniversary of the Bigfoot hillside family group video as I had previously told cervelo.

Yes I carry, and so? I'm not as concerned about having to defend myself against Bigfoot as I am about large cats. Regardless, it's a personal choice to carry or not, make out of it whatever you choose. I don't bargain my well being on the good will of a wild animal. You can if you wish, I don't.

The group we met on our way out were not going as far as our destination. Incidentally, it was not a family picnic, those folks were ghost hunters and the cases being carted in were ghost hunting equipment, not picnic supplies. Not that it matters. Chris B.
 
You know when you sit down with the guy eye to eye he seems very sincere and believeable. But then see how he conducts himself here and it's hard for me to believe its actually the same person....go figure!?!
I guess for me having had almost every single experience footers want to ascribe to Bigfoot, with two notable exceptions...never a sighting or track in my time kicking around the woods...it's hard for me to not step back and say "ok what was that most likley" or actually step up and investigate the "unknown" or just sit tight and have it reveal itself as some common animal.

I spent sometime with PT on my little adventure and we had an experience on a hike we took that if we were footers would have been a slam dunk "Bigfoot intimidation tree display"! Guess what we went towards the "action" and had a great laugh at footers expense.

My guess is most footers/knowers/beleeeeevvvers have very little outdoor experience and a very good imagination. They experience something they can't explain and out of ignorance jump to a silly conclusion. Then they get a little group think going with like minded people and walla you have a "footer"!

After that it gets a little weird...you either have people that go "hey this is what I experienced"...oh ok that was an owl or yote or they fall down the rabbit hole of can't be anything but Bigfoot.
Someone who comes to a skeptics fourm shoveling the manure that OS, Chris and their ilk....that's a whole other level of footer!

I'm the exact same person here as I am in the flesh. I can say that. Don't expect me to lay down if someone wants a boxing match and throws a punch my way. I do bring my gloves with me.
Chris B.
 
Chris, is Bigfoot not supposed to be largely nocturnal?

Kit, they are thought to be largely nocturnal. So, you will see Bigfoot shows portray "night investigations" but what does that accomplish? They peck on a tree and listen for an answer of other tree pecking....and if they hear some, "Ooooh that's a Squatch!" My question for that would be: Ok, now what? It's hilarious. Now what? What is the next procedure? Turns out it's usually: "Ok, let's wrap it up and get out of here, we certainly have Squatches in these woods." Really?

The major problem with night investigation productivity is you can't see in the dark. The #1 problem with that would be safety. But there are many other problems as well.

You cannot take good video at night, sure you could take some sort of night vision or thermal crap but at best it's gonna be inconclusive.
You cannot get a good verified visual sighting at night and you cannot track at night.
You cannot search the area effectively for biological evidence.
You cannot verify what you hear is Bigfoot related if you can't see what's making the sounds.
If your goal is to shoot one with a night vision scope, you cannot track a blood trail in the dark. (unless of course you have luminol by the drum I suppose)
Night operations are simply ridiculous and nothing can be gained from them IMO. (Unless you're making a TV show, then add some spooky music and presto reality TV at its finest.) Chris B.
 
Kit, they are thought to be largely nocturnal. So, you will see Bigfoot shows portray "night investigations" but what does that accomplish? They peck on a tree and listen for an answer of other tree pecking....and if they hear some, "Ooooh that's a Squatch!" My question for that would be: Ok, now what? It's hilarious. Now what? What is the next procedure? Turns out it's usually: "Ok, let's wrap it up and get out of here, we certainly have Squatches in these woods." Really?

The major problem with night investigation productivity is you can't see in the dark. The #1 problem with that would be safety. But there are many other problems as well.

You cannot take good video at night, sure you could take some sort of night vision or thermal crap but at best it's gonna be inconclusive.
You cannot get a good verified visual sighting at night and you cannot track at night.
You cannot search the area effectively for biological evidence.
You cannot verify what you hear is Bigfoot related if you can't see what's making the sounds.
If your goal is to shoot one with a night vision scope, you cannot track a blood trail in the dark. (unless of course you have luminol by the drum I suppose)
Night operations are simply ridiculous and nothing can be gained from them IMO. (Unless you're making a TV show, then add some spooky music and presto reality TV at its finest.) Chris B.

Well you would be an expert at crappy photos regular or thermal
 

I suppose it is pretty crappy, but is it a tree?

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So, you will see Bigfoot shows portray "night investigations" but what does that accomplish? They peck on a tree and listen for an answer of other tree pecking....and if they hear some, "Ooooh that's a Squatch!" My question for that would be: Ok, now what? It's hilarious. Now what? What is the next procedure? Turns out it's usually: "Ok, let's wrap it up and get out of here, we certainly have Squatches in these woods." Really?

*Shrugs* Which is exactly what Bigfoot hunting during the day is like as well. Don't understand why you're acting incredulous about it.

Yeah you've had a lot more to show for your efforts then the Bigfoot guys on TV. At least they're getting paid for it.

Don't try to flesh out your BLAARGing character sheet by talking crap about other Figbooters as if you're any different.

The major problem with night investigation productivity is you can't see in the dark. The #1 problem with that would be safety. But there are many other problems as well.

These problems exist for every other nocturnal animal as well yet we have hard evidence, including live specimens or bodies, of those animals. We aren't expected to be satisfied with anecdotes + special pleading.

For the eleventy billionth time Figboots are not special. And we aren't asking for anything we didn't ask for from other animals.

You cannot take good video at night, sure you could take some sort of night vision or thermal crap but at best it's gonna be inconclusive.
You cannot get a good verified visual sighting at night and you cannot track at night.
You cannot search the area effectively for biological evidence.
You cannot verify what you hear is Bigfoot related if you can't see what's making the sounds.
If your goal is to shoot one with a night vision scope, you cannot track a blood trail in the dark. (unless of course you have luminol by the drum I suppose)
Night operations are simply ridiculous and nothing can be gained from them IMO. (Unless you're making a TV show, then add some spooky music and presto reality TV at its finest.) Chris B.

And this is absolute crap. If you thought for a second that there was an undiscovered primate the fact that finding them is "But like really, really hard guys! I'd have to go out at night and get my feet wet and there'd be mosquitoes and everything!" wouldn't stop you.

Figbooters are an interesting bunch. "Yeah I was 5 feet away from a family of Bigfoots who were feeding on the corpse of the Loch Ness Monster with a GPS, 120 megapixal camera, a DNA sampling kit, an IMAX Motion Picture Camera, and a satellite phone with numbers to every scientist in North America... but then I noticed that I had 5 marshmallows, 5 chocolate bars, but only 4 graham crackers for the S'mores so we called off the whole expedition."
 
I suppose it is pretty crappy, but is it a tree?

Chris B.

No. It's an out of focus tree.

Remember the Russian Meteorite? There is excellent footage of it shot on a dashcam by accident. But you Footers can't get one decent image of something you're trying to prove exists? Despite your extensive experience and preparation? No tracks, no droppings, no remains... just nothing. Not one single piece of remotely credible evidence. You want to be taken seriously and your latest attempt at a piece of evidence is an out of focus tree.

If you want to be taken as seriously as actual scientists are taken, then you have to work to the same standards. There are no shortcuts.
 
Cervelo showed up on opening day of deer season here. Of course since safety is the #1 factor, this limited the areas I could take him safely to one. It was a good area though that had yielded the Bigfoot hillside family group video previously. No further activity along the area we trekked in though since. Though I still go there about 3 times per season on and around the anniversary of the Bigfoot hillside family group video as I had previously told cervelo.

Yes I carry, and so? I'm not as concerned about having to defend myself against Bigfoot as I am about large cats. Regardless, it's a personal choice to carry or not, make out of it whatever you choose. I don't bargain my well being on the good will of a wild animal. You can if you wish, I don't.

The group we met on our way out were not going as far as our destination. Incidentally, it was not a family picnic, those folks were ghost hunters and the cases being carted in were ghost hunting equipment, not picnic supplies. Not that it matters. Chris B.
You're playing poorly here, unless your sole goal is to get us to spend time. If so, consider it a win, but it's a win for us, too. We do what we enjoy.

Reference the first bit I highlighted. The cave country area is primarily in Edmonson County. Public land hunting is limited to Wildlife Management Areas. The WMA nearest is Nolin Lake WMA (gorgeous place if you're one of the many people, usually well off, to have a lakeside "cabin" (scare quotes because many of the cabins would make superb first homes for most people)).

From the Nolin Lake WMA website:

"Hunting is allowed in small isolated areas, mostly accessible by boat."

As I have pointed out before, I am no hunter, and it's possible I'm missing something here, but I don't think so.

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Reference the second highlighted area:

No known big cats in Kentucky. There are reported sightings, but none that have held up. At least one, in fact, turned out to be a dog. That said, it's not impossible nor even so unlikely that it would be hugely surprising if some exist, but to say they are cause enough for concern to go armed? Makes me wonder how your risk assessment is done.

And THAT being said, it doesn't bother me that you carry, nor do I think the simple fact that you do indicates anything other than that you carry. Your defense of it, though, is lacking.
 
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To make it clear, while I did do some Googling to help compose my last post, I don't start on the subject from a cold start. The first story at this link is about an ancestor of mine (John Ritchie). I suspect the story is apocryphal, but that doesn't keep me from telling it.
 
I don't know what is to be gained from criticizing Chris for his physical conditioning.

It is pertinent to the physical claims attendant to the alleged experience in outdoor sleuthing. Hiking mountainous terrain in particular results in excellent physical conditioning even if the mileage is low. If you aren't in condition it is proof you are keyboard BLAARGing, not hiking in the woods.

I don't feel good about pointing it out nevertheless. Empathy prevails.

But from the beginning of the bigfoot hoaxing, scientists were sneered at and derided for being egg-heads that don't get out in the field. Whereas the 'footers were out there doing the field investigation work.

It was John Green the writer and Rene Dahinden in Canada that were the first two North American figures of note, before the US got its start, and they were extremely malicious with scientists on this point. Their loudly announced expedition never happened. They led a nonexistent expedition, yet came off with a self-promoted reputation of being field researchers who got out more than real scientists in the field!

Since then, nothing has changed. "Expeditions" are hoaxing photo ops. Your birders are in better shape than our interlocutor. They actually do get out hiking in the woods.

Because they are actually in the woods and studying real animals, there is no need to pretend they are in the woods and pretend they are studying some unknown animal. There is more than enough satisfaction from someone who actually is out in the woods to not need inventing fables about it.

So I am trying to say that for BLAARGers it is actually one of the notable things about them: the lack of outdoor experience as opposed to the presence of it. Our other major BLAARGer has been out twice in the last couple of years to my understanding, car camping.

On the moose, it took two generations to get to the point where he would lay down at my front door and wait for me to come home. We went for walks together in the woods. Anyone who has had a pet can relate stories of snuggling with them, or the dog licking all over their face and you can frame it as being a sexual pervert if you want - but in this case what it shows is how I could get a species that was so afraid of humans to eventually trust me to the point of being more or less a pet. I saw how moose interacted with each other and with other animals, and by so doing I picked up signals and tactics that much later I saw in a Horse Whisperer video. I used a dog too though, at first by accident and then later realized how important it was to show the moose I was protecting them from the dog.

There is another fellow who did the same thing with Grizzlys. I did it with ravens, porcupines - actually started with squirrels as a boy so I had a pet squirrel in graduate school that would come in my window and take nuts out of my mouth. So he came in the window next door and the girls started screaming, knocking over desks and creating a huge scene because they scared him so bad. I had to re-learn that same lesson with my moose. He liked to charge up to me and just brush my shoulder as he raced by. That was his way of greeting me.

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The first time he did that with one of my neighbors, the hue and cry went out to assassinate the insane moose. He was full grown by then, so yeah it would frighten the socks off Mike Tyson.

Nobody here doubted me about my moose because you knew better. I don't doubt anything shrike says about his field research either because we have reputations of backing up what we say.

The level of experience we are talking about here for either of us - God, it is just so far beyond being able to identify feathers. My four year old can distinguish eagle, raven, ruffed vs. spruce grouse - I do not accept anything so far related as evidence of significant outdoor field experience.
 
Chris doesn't appear to understand the difference between a place that yields videos and a place that yields bigfoots.


Eta -- holy moose kissing crap.
 
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It is pertinent to the physical claims attendant to the alleged experience in outdoor sleuthing. Hiking mountainous terrain in particular results in excellent physical conditioning even if the mileage is low. If you aren't in condition it is proof you are keyboard BLAARGing, not hiking in the woods.

I don't feel good about pointing it out nevertheless. Empathy prevails.

But from the beginning of the bigfoot hoaxing, scientists were sneered at and derided for being egg-heads that don't get out in the field. Whereas the 'footers were out there doing the field investigation work.

It was John Green the writer and Rene Dahinden in Canada that were the first two North American figures of note, before the US got its start, and they were extremely malicious with scientists on this point. Their loudly announced expedition never happened. They led a nonexistent expedition, yet came off with a self-promoted reputation of being field researchers who got out more than real scientists in the field!

Since then, nothing has changed. "Expeditions" are hoaxing photo ops. Your birders are in better shape than our interlocutor. They actually do get out hiking in the woods.

Because they are actually in the woods and studying real animals, there is no need to pretend they are in the woods and pretend they are studying some unknown animal. There is more than enough satisfaction from someone who actually is out in the woods to not need inventing fables about it.

So I am trying to say that for BLAARGers it is actually one of the notable things about them: the lack of outdoor experience as opposed to the presence of it. Our other major BLAARGer has been out twice in the last couple of years to my understanding, car camping.

On the moose, it took two generations to get to the point where he would lay down at my front door and wait for me to come home. We went for walks together in the woods. Anyone who has had a pet can relate stories of snuggling with them, or the dog licking all over their face and you can frame it as being a sexual pervert if you want - but in this case what it shows is how I could get a species that was so afraid of humans to eventually trust me to the point of being more or less a pet. I saw how moose interacted with each other and with other animals, and by so doing I picked up signals and tactics that much later I saw in a Horse Whisperer video. I used a dog too though, at first by accident and then later realized how important it was to show the moose I was protecting them from the dog.

There is another fellow who did the same thing with Grizzlys. I did it with ravens, porcupines - actually started with squirrels as a boy so I had a pet squirrel in graduate school that would come in my window and take nuts out of my mouth. So he came in the window next door and the girls started screaming, knocking over desks and creating a huge scene because they scared him so bad. I had to re-learn that same lesson with my moose. He liked to charge up to me and just brush my shoulder as he raced by. That was his way of greeting me.


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The first time he did that with one of my neighbors, the hue and cry went out to assassinate the insane moose. He was full grown by then, so yeah it would frighten the socks off Mike Tyson.

Nobody here doubted me about my moose because you knew better. I don't doubt anything shrike says about his field research either because we have reputations of backing up what we say.

The level of experience we are talking about here for either of us - God, it is just so far beyond being able to identify feathers. My four year old can distinguish eagle, raven, ruffed vs. spruce grouse - I do not accept anything so far related as evidence of significant outdoor field experience.

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I suppose it is pretty crappy, but is it a tree?

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Without the slightest amount of hesitancy I can say that is most certainly the foliage of a downfall tree. It is that foliage mixed with the darker foliage of the pines behind in the background. I would struggle to even say this image could rise to the level of pareidolia. Having known you through the BFF for years now, I would have to be blunt in saying I'm fairly wowed you'd seriously introduce absolute non-evidence as silly as that.

No offence intended, but what would you expect bringing something like that to a skeptics forum?
 
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