Continuation Part 13: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

Yep, you're right. let me try again

Nencini uses Filomena's unanswered calls to Amanda to show Amanda's attempted calls to Meredith are suspicious by comparsion yet completely ignores Filomena's call to Meredith lasted only a second which makes his whole argument null and void.

It also shows with no doubt the suspect-centric nature of Nencini's judgement.

 

[MDDVS]

Cute way you've implied some degree of equivalence to those three things. Nicely done!

I don't think so, it just looks ridiculous. (Yes, I know you're being ironic).

 

[LondonJohn]

Yep, you're right. let me try again

Nencini uses Filomena's unanswered calls to Amanda to show Amanda's attempted calls to Meredith are suspicious by comparsion yet completely ignores Filomena's call to Meredith lasted only a second which makes his whole argument null and void.

Ah I see what you mean now! And yes, you're right.

I'd add a critical point as well: Kercher's Italian phone - which (unsurprisingly) was the phone she used day-in-day-out in Italy* - was switched off. Therefore, any call to that phone was diverting straight to a message that informed the caller that the number being called was not available. Therefore, as soon as anyone - whether Knox or Romanelli - called that phone, it was possible within a second or two to ascertain that the phone was switched off. There would be nothing whatsoever to be gained by allowing the call to go any further.

Kercher's UK phone was still switched on, but that was not the phone being used in normal circumstances by Kercher: she used it to keep in touch with friends in the UK and to speak with her family back home, but not for communicating with friends in Perugia.

Therefore, the natural phone for both Knox and Romanelli to have tried was the Italian phone, which was switched off. Knox did try calling Kercher's UK phone, which rang and rang before diverting to voicemail. And of course Knox was trying Kercher's phone at the time it was discovered in Lana's garden (the phone was not in plain view - it was the ringing f the phone from Knox's incoming call that caused its discovery).


* It would obviously have made no sense whatsoever for Kercher to be using a UK-registered mobile to make and receive calls within Italy, since she would have been accruing international roaming charges each time. Indeed, that's exactly why she obtained the Italian mobile, which was the one everyone in Perugia had as her primary contact number while she was in Italy.

 

[Kauffer]

No but being a burglar does not mean you are also a murderer. I understand why prior acts are brought into court, such as Rudy's burglaries, Amanda's ticket or Raffaele's drug history but that doesn't necessarily mean one will be a murderer.

You cannot be serious - a history of burglary and knife wielding juxtaposed with a noise violation (for which, by all accounts, Ms Knox was not even responsible)?? What relevance is this noise ticket?

As for the dope, this is plain silly. Ms Kercher had a drug history and was dating a guy with an even bigger one. Mezzetti and Romanelli had drug histories too, imploring Ms Knox not to reveal them to the police.

You don't think Guede's history provides us with a link to what happened at Via Pergola? Just a coincidence is it? But then you've got his prints and his DNA in the murder room, including inside the murder victim, so I guess you can't really think its a coincidence.

Good analysis requires the ability to discriminate. Go practice.

 

[Dan O.]

I dont think the claim was that Meredith disapproved of Amanda's sex life but rather that she did not feel comfortable with some of the people Amanda was bringing to the cottage.

As opposed to the guy Laura had stay overnight and was wandering around inside the cottage in his underware the next morning, who apparently jambed the latch on the front door so it wouldn't operate properly? Or how about the guy Filomena brought home a night or two before Meredith was murdered and left a half eaten pizza in the oven?

 

[LondonJohn]

As opposed to the guy Laura had stay overnight and was wandering around inside the cottage in his underware the next morning, who apparently jambed the latch on the front door so it wouldn't operate properly? Or how about the guy Filomena brought home a night or two before Meredith was murdered and left a half eaten pizza in the oven?

Oh yeah but see: it doesn't count in those cases because those women are not accused of murdering their housemate! That's how logic and reason work with regard to this issue, isn't it?

Oh, wait.

 

[christianahannah]

Cute way you've implied some degree of equivalence to those three things. Nicely done!

No degree of equivalence implied. Those were the things I could recall which were brought into trial concerning prior acts. If you read upthread you will see that I wrote all three histories were different.

 

[Bill Williams]

I dont think the claim was that Meredith disapproved of Amanda's sex life but rather that she did not feel comfortable with some of the people Amanda was bringing to the cottage.

This is the reason why I asked your opinion if Meredith disapproved of Amanda bringing Raffaele to the cottage.

I do not accept for a minute that the, Meredith disapproved of Amanda's sex life but rather that she did not feel comfortable with some of the people Amanda was bringing to the cottage, meme is true for a second - either with the "sex" angle or the "character" angle.

But suppose for a minute that were true. Suddenly, with Raffaele's arrival on the scene, the son of a wealthy urologist, about to finish his computer science degree - heck, Meredith had virtually introduced the two to each other!!!!!!.......

..... suddenly the factoid of the "escalating hostilities between Meredith and Amanda," is shown for what it is. At best, bunk, at worst completely internally inconsistent as a narrative. A narrative built on factoids and "may haves" to begin with.

Reread Machiavelli's own accounting of Mignini's closing. Unless Machiavelli is a secret fifth-column whose long-game is to discredit Mignini and his prosecution, take Machiavelli's accounting for Mignini's psychosexual-narrative as "accurate" from the guilter point of view.

It is not only completely speculative (cf. "may have", "could have"), it was completely rejected by the court, Massei's convicting court, already predisposed to accept prosecutor inventions on their own say-so!!

Amanda brought Raffaele home, and to all accounts, that did not bother anyone, much less Meredith. Yet seven days after Amanda meets Raffaele with no other men ever brought back to the cottage, with Meredith's obvious approval......

..... a sexual-revenge murder takes place. Acc. to Mignini.

How likely is THAT!?

 

[carbonjam72]

I dont think the claim was that Meredith disapproved of Amanda's sex life but rather that she did not feel comfortable with some of the people Amanda was bringing to the cottage.

For what purpose do you believe Amanda brought home strange men to the cottage? Are you implying, or are you suggesting she brought even one of them home for sex? If so, then which?

I think this is a point of confusion. Among Kercher's British friends, this might never have been done. Among Amanda's Seattle community, perhaps not so striking.

 

[christianahannah]

You're wrong. Burglary (breaking and entering a residence in order to commit a crime) is a very serious felony for the exact reason that burglaries many times turn into rapes/murders when the residence turns out to be occupied.

A ticket for having a noisy party and smoking a j is in no way comparable.

I didn't write they were comparable, however, one can be a burglar and not a murderer or rapist. Before being convicted of the violent death of Meredith, Rudy's two break-ins were not violent (the bartender's account was sketchy and not used against Rudy by the court). Were they serious and against the law? Yes.

 

[NancyS]

I didn't write they were comparable, however, one can be a burglar and not a murderer or rapist. Before being convicted of the violent death of Meredith, Rudy's two break-ins were not violent (the bartender's account was sketchy and not used against Rudy by the court). Were they serious and against the law? Yes.

Finding palm prints in blood and his DNA in Meredith Kercher's vagina, would definitely suggest that he commited a violent murder and sexual assault. And a history of burglary would make it considerably more likely that he broke into the cottage that evening.

In comparison, smoking some cannabis and having a noisy party, is evidence of pretty much nothing

 

[Bill Williams]

Posted on Italian journalist Remo Croci's Facebook page.

Per gli errori ed orrori commessi in questa vicenda investigatori e giudici andrebbero rimossi. Addirittura la Corte d'Appello di Firenze ha trasformato un'impronta di scarpa in un'orma di piede femminile e addirittura attribuito un Dna a Sollecito sul coltello quando nessuna perizia lo ha mai accettato.

For the mistakes and atrocities committed in this matter investigators and judges should be removed. Even the court of appeal of florence has turned a shoe impression in a footprint of Foot female and even given a dna to urge on the knife when any expertise it has never accepted.

 

[carbonjam72]

Exactly - as if the normal student habits of smoking a bit of cannabis and having a loud party, can be equated with burglary

Burglary while carrying and brandishing a knife, including burglary through second story windows with use of a rock to test if anyone is home.

And making himself at home in his crime scenes, including setting out little bowls of pasta in the nursery school, as though he is recreating a pretend child hood.

And preferring to sleep on the floor, being subject to fugue state balck-outs, and sometimes waking up with alternate personna, like a "dog" or "professor".

I think I read that Amanda got the ticket, because she was the only person not too drunk to talk to the police.

Chrha, I think you're addicted to Mignini. I think the reason you "need to keep reading" is because you're fair minded enough to admit there is no evidence that convicts Amanda and Raf, yet you can't let go of the idea that Mignini is wrong. So you keep moving in circles, never willing to accept innocence, and never quite able to criticize Mignini.

 

[christianahannah]

For what purpose do you believe Amanda brought home strange men to the cottage? Are you implying, or are you suggesting she brought even one of them home for sex? If so, then which?

I think this is a point of confusion. Among Kercher's British friends, this might never have been done. Among Amanda's Seattle community, perhaps not so striking.

No I am not implying or suggesting anything. I don't know if Amanda ever brought anyone to the cottage for sex or had sex with anyone at the cottage or if Meredith ever complained about such.

Concerning who Amanda brought to the cottage it is included in Amanda's writings, her statements, testimony (I think in testimony) and her statements to police along with statements from Meredith's friend.

 

[christianahannah]

As opposed to the guy Laura had stay overnight and was wandering around inside the cottage in his underware the next morning, who apparently jambed the latch on the front door so it wouldn't operate properly? Or how about the guy Filomena brought home a night or two before Meredith was murdered and left a half eaten pizza in the oven?

Wasn't it Amanda who saw Laura's boyfriend and wrote about it? Do you know if Meredith knew of this encounter?

You'll have to fill me in on the pizza event.

 

[carbonjam72]

As opposed to the guy Laura had stay overnight and was wandering around inside the cottage in his underware the next morning, who apparently jambed the latch on the front door so it wouldn't operate properly? Or how about the guy Filomena brought home a night or two before Meredith was murdered and left a half eaten pizza in the oven?

How do we know this? Because if its true, I would say this bozo got Meredith killed.

 

[christianahannah]

Burglary while carrying and brandishing a knife, including burglary through second story windows with use of a rock to test if anyone is home.

And making himself at home in his crime scenes, including setting out little bowls of pasta in the nursery school, as though he is recreating a pretend child hood.

And preferring to sleep on the floor, being subject to fugue state balck-outs, and sometimes waking up with alternate personna, like a "dog" or "professor".

I think I read that Amanda got the ticket, because she was the only person not too drunk to talk to the police.

Chrha, I think you're addicted to Mignini. I think the reason you "need to keep reading" is because you're fair minded enough to admit there is no evidence that convicts Amanda and Raf, yet you can't let go of the idea that Mignini is wrong. So you keep moving in circles, never willing to accept innocence, and never quite able to criticize Mignini.

No, not addicted to Mignini but maybe addicted to the truth.

 

[carbonjam72]

It's important to remember this - and it is so much easier to believe this is what happened, although I guess it is in no way as titillating and without the bizarre sexed-up version, this case would have been put to rest a long time ago.

I would be interested in knowing more about Guede - it seems that journalists spent a lot of effort trying to dig up dirt about Amanda and couldn't find much more than having a noisy party and having the occasional one-night stand. I would definitely be interested in knowing more about whether Guede was suffering from a dissociative disorder prior to murdering Meredith Kercher - this would suggest some severe trauma in his background and that he was likely to also have been hyper-vigilant, which could have caused him to be violent if caught in an enclosed space.

Nina Burleigh seems to have taken the most interest in Rudy Guede, and investigated his backgrounds, family and friends.

Her book, "Fatal Gift of Beauty" provided a lot of this info, as her recent article ion newsweek also touches on it.

Rudy waking up as, "The dog" and the "The professor", I can't get past that.

 

[Kaosium]

No I am not implying or suggesting anything. I don't know if Amanda ever brought anyone to the cottage for sex or had sex with anyone at the cottage or if Meredith ever complained about such.

Concerning who Amanda brought to the cottage it is included in Amanda's writings, her statements, testimony (I think in testimony) and her statements to police along with statements from Meredith's friend.

Yeah, but aren't you referring mostly to Juve? The guy who worked with Amanda and walked her home sometimes and of whom it appeared everyone, including Amanda, thought was a little weird? There was no sexual component involving Juve, he was just considered strange.

 

[NancyS]

No, not addicted to Mignini but maybe addicted to the truth.

And do you think Mr Mignini was speaking the truth when claiming that Amanda killed Meredith because she wanted to force the 'prissy' girl to have sex?