Merged Onesimpleprinciple predicting the flow of Dark?

[Pixie of key]

I think, light expanding.

This is science argument, because we can make science test with light and if light expanding, we can proof that later with science experiment!

What kind of science test you make with expanding space?

EternalLove

I would argue that the light is expanding !

I would argue that the assertion is a scientific argument . We can study light / photons . If photons are expanding and recycle the expanding movement / energy with each other, this can be scientifically proven scientific experiment !

Some argue that space is expanding.

I would argue that that argument is not a scientific argument ! No one can explore the expansive space and make it scientific experiments ! No one can prove the existence of an expanding space !

To expanding the space can only believe !

Eternal Love

 

[The Man]

"No, but we can't put a star, a galaxy or galaxy cluster "to CERN" either. Still that doesn't stop us from conducting experiments observing such large scale objects.*"

Well, later we can go and take little bit some expanding star expanding matter and put that expanding stuff to CERN and pushing that expanding matter to move fast etc.

"star expanding matter"? Why "star expanding matter"? Isn't your claim that all matter is expanding, so any matter should do? Are you now asserting that you don't think all matter is expanding?

put you never cant go and take expanding space and you cant put expanding space to CERN etc.

so, what kind of science test you make with expanding space?

As I'm sure you've been advised before...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space#Observational_evidence


Why do you insist on pretending you haven't been informed of this before?

EternalLove

EternalPretense

 

[The Man]

"No, but we can't put a star, a galaxy or galaxy cluster "to CERN" either. Still that doesn't stop us from conducting experiments observing such large scale objects."

Why you can see and why you know, there is stars?

Observational evidence.

It is because there is MOVEMENT!

Why you believe there is expanding space?

because of movement?

NOPE!

Because there is ?????

There is what?

Star is system which expanding and moving "in" space which is nothing and which already exist and expanding stars emit expanding movement /"energy which is information which moving "in" space which already exist!

What kind of system is yours magic coordinate system?

Again it is a system of organizing and identifying locations in some space, there is no magic involved.

how that magic coordinate system changing?

What is reason for changing?

Reason is not movement / motion?

so, what it is?

if you cant explain how and what way expanding space changing, you dont have anything!

As again, I'm sure you've been advised before there are theories for expanding space currently being tested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space#Theoretical_basis_and_first_evidence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)#Theoretical_status


We do you continue to pretend you haven't already been given this information multiple times?

then you just believe, there is expanding space!

Once again, belief or the lack thereof is not a relevant factor.

EternalRecycling

EternalPretense

 

[Pixie of key]

"star expanding matter"? Why "star expanding matter"? Isn't your claim that all matter is expanding, so any matter should do? Are you now asserting that you don't think all matter is expanding?




As I'm sure you've been advised before...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space#Observational_evidence


Why do you insist on pretending you haven't been informed of this before?




EternalPretense

lets just write here, what kind of science test you can do with expanding space!

you cant, because there is no information from expanding space!

all real expanding information is from expanding matter and thats the way it is!

EternalEnergy

 

[Pixie of key]

March 14, 2015*in*Nation/World

Vanuatu residents remain in shelters after massive*cyclone

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/mar/14/vanuatu-residents-remain-in-shelters-after/


"WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — Many residents in cyclone-ravaged Vanuatu were forced to hunker a second night in emergency shelters after venturing out Saturday only to find their homes damaged or blown away, according to aid*workers.Power remains out across the tiny Pacific archipelago and people on many of the outer islands have no access to running water or outside communications, said Chloe Morrison, a World Vision emergency communications officer in the capital of Port*Vila.Cyclone Pam tore through the islands early Saturday, leaving a trail of destruction and unconfirmed reports of dozens of*deaths.Morrison said communications have been so problematic that her aid group hasn’t yet been able to account for many of its own 76 staff on the islands and authorities have been unable to assess the extent of the*damage.“I can say that for anybody who wasn’t in a secure shelter last night, it would have been a very, very tough time for them,” she*said."


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First extra movement / energy from outside expanding solarsystem which release expanding movement / energy from centre of expanding Earth etc.

Lets remember Sun huge Sunspots and Uranus very big storm, you know!

EternalRecycling

 

[The Man]

lets just write here, what kind of science test you can do with expanding space!

you cant, because there is no information from expanding space!

all real expanding information is from expanding matter and thats the way it is!

EternalEnergy

You can write whatever you want here. For example if you have some problem with the observational evidence in the links provided you can cite that link, the evidence you have a problem with and what that problem might be.

For your own edification since matter (in most cases) is both electromagnetically and gravitationally bound it doesn't expand with the expanding cosmological metric. So the evidence cited is explicitly not from "expanding matter".

Metric expansion is a key feature of Big Bang cosmology, is modeled mathematically with the FLRW metric, and is a generic property of the Universe we inhabit. However, the model is valid only on large scales (roughly the scale of galaxy clusters and above). At smaller scales matter has become bound together under the influence of gravitational attraction and such things do not expand at the metric expansion rate as the Universe ages. As such, the only galaxies receding from one another as a result of metric expansion are those separated by cosmologically relevant scales larger than the length scales associated with the gravitational collapse that are possible in the age of the Universe given the matter density and average expansion rate.

Please read the articles cited. You can even read them in your own native tongue, which might actually cut down your confusion.

Is it that you prefer being confused, why you ask "just write here" instead of actually reading the links already provided and in your own native language?

 

[Reality Check]

So Onesimpleprinciple model is able to squat the Big Bang theory...

This is a lie about the "Onesimpleprinciple model" because all you have is your fantasies about cartoons in videos, Pixie of key !

Another lie about us not answering the questions. Denying the answers about science does not mean that we did not answer them.

This is the EternalLie plus the usual EternalGibberish, EternalFantasy and EternalIgnorance from Pixie of key that we have seen since 2008 !

Finnish physics crackpot with no known mathematical ability, little knowledge of physics shown, lots of hand waving and some primitive videos
Pixie of key: questions and ignorance (plus some delusions) as at 22 December 2014

 

[abaddon]

March 14, 2015*in*Nation/World

Vanuatu residents remain in shelters after massive*cyclone

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/mar/14/vanuatu-residents-remain-in-shelters-after/


"WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — Many residents in cyclone-ravaged Vanuatu were forced to hunker a second night in emergency shelters after venturing out Saturday only to find their homes damaged or blown away, according to aid*workers.Power remains out across the tiny Pacific archipelago and people on many of the outer islands have no access to running water or outside communications, said Chloe Morrison, a World Vision emergency communications officer in the capital of Port*Vila.Cyclone Pam tore through the islands early Saturday, leaving a trail of destruction and unconfirmed reports of dozens of*deaths.Morrison said communications have been so problematic that her aid group hasn’t yet been able to account for many of its own 76 staff on the islands and authorities have been unable to assess the extent of the*damage.“I can say that for anybody who wasn’t in a secure shelter last night, it would have been a very, very tough time for them,” she*said."


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First extra movement / energy from outside expanding solarsystem which release expanding movement / energy from centre of expanding Earth etc.

Lets remember Sun huge Sunspots and Uranus very big storm, you know!

EternalRecycling

I'm curious. Nobody buys your baloney notions except you. Why is this?

 

[Pixie of key]

1. All information what we can get is from matter!

2. All science test what we can do, we do with machine which is matter!

3. there is no any information from yours expanding space!

4. There is no any information from gods or angels!

5. Gods, angels, expanding space, curving space and extra dimensions is not science, because you cant get information from gods, angels, expanding space, curving space or extra dimensions!

6. If nucleus of atoms expanding and recycling expanding movement / energy with each other, we can prove that later, because we get information from matter!

7. We can make science test with machine which is matter!

8. You cant get any information from expanding space, because yours expanding space dont emit anything!

EternalLove

 

[Pixie of key]

I'm curious. Nobody buys your baloney notions except you. Why is this?

So what, i dont by yours naked empaire = expanding space + curving space / pulling force + extra dimensions + dark matter + dark energy.

You cant explain what is pulling force, but still you take a idea from hat and say, there is dark matter which is different kinf of matter what usually matter is, but still that dark matter have a same kind of pulling force what usually matter is!

I say, there is no pulling force at all!

There is expanding nucleus of atoms which recycling expanding movement / energy which have a nature of expanding light!

Expanding light is infromation from expanding matter!

Where is information from expanding space?

There is no information from expanding space!

Galileo Galilei turn in the narrow bed, because yours science with out information from yours concept what you take from yours hat!

EternalLove

 

[The Man]

1. All information what we can get is from matter!

Incorrect, all information we get is from energy. Now that information can at times be representative of some of the properties of matter but it doesn't need to be. As examples the permittivity, permeability and vacuum energy of free space are all information we have collected that isn't from matter, unless you want to claim that free space is matter. Are you making such a claim Pixie of key?

2. All science test what we can do, we do with machine which is matter!

Actually science test can be done and have been done just by human observations of natural events. As for quite some time there were no machines. Now machines do make measurements, observations and tests more precise but that is a far cry from your baseless assertion. Unless of course you are claiming the humans and natural events are just machines, which kind of removes the distinction of asserting “with machine”. Are you making such a claim Pixie of key?

3. there is no any information from yours expanding space!

Again read the links already provided, if you have a problem with some of the observational evidence cite that evidence and your problem, otherwise there is nothing to discuss about the information you have already been provided (multiple times). Again why do you continue to pretend you haven’t been given such information?

4. There is no any information from gods or angels!

So what, you seem to be the only one who finds “gods or angels” relevant to this discussion or the applicable theories.

5. Gods, angels, expanding space, curving space and extra dimensions is not science, because you cant get information from gods, angels, expanding space, curving space or extra dimensions!

Combining your other inane and baseless assertions doesn’t make it a new or different assertion

6. If nucleus of atoms expanding and recycling expanding movement / energy with each other, we can prove that later, because we get information from matter!

So why don’t we find any evidence for that “expanding”?

7. We can make science test with machine which is matter!

Repeating a rephrasing of your #2 assertion doesn’t make it a new or different assertion

8. You cant get any information from expanding space, because yours expanding space dont emit anything!

Demonstrably false, interaction is all that is required to obtain information not emissivity.

EternalLove

EternalPretense

 

[Pixie of key]

The Man, why you lie?

there is no information from expanding space?

Old light is information from stars, not from expanding space!

cosmologys way redshifted light prove that light expanding!

how you can prove expanding space with expanding light?

or do you believe, expanding space emit energy / information?

if so, is expanding space something like matter?

Matter = energy = Movement / Motion.

Everything real is movement/ energy, also expanding matter!

Space is eternal and infinity place which is nothing and thats why you cant make any science test with space or for space!

you cant change space any way!

you can get expanding matter expanding faster!

you can see how expanding star start expanding faster = supernova and that happening in eternal and infinity space which is nothing!

EternalLove

 

[The Man]

The Man, why you lie?

I haven’t.

there is no information from expanding space?

Why you lie? You have been given that information numerous time. If you wish to address that information then please do so specifically and stop lying.

Old light is information from stars, not from expanding space!

The cosmic background radiation is not “information from stars”. However, some of the information we can get from stars, galaxies and galaxy clusters is how they are moving and all of that supports an expanding cosmos.

cosmologys way redshifted light prove that light expanding!

how you can prove expanding space with expanding light?

See above.

or do you believe, expanding space emit energy / information?

Once again belief or the lack thereof is not a relevant factor in any of the applicable theories. Is belief a significant element of your “Onesimplepriciple”? If not then I submit your interest in belief is entirely irrelevant.

if so, is expanding space something like matter?

As already noted space-time has some physical properties but nothing like matter does.

Matter = energy = Movement / Motion.

Incorrect as you have already been advised. Again as they have different units of measure your assertion is demonstrably dimensionally false. Why do you continue to pretend that such patently false assertions have not been addressed? Do you enjoy lying so obviously?

Everything real is movement/ energy, also expanding matter!

Space is eternal and infinity place which is nothing and thats why you cant make any science test with space or for space!

you cant change space any way!

you can get expanding matter expanding faster!

you can see how expanding star start expanding faster = supernova and that happening in eternal and infinity space which is nothing!

Do you consider space to be real?

Is space “movement/ energy, also expanding matter”?

EternalLove

EternalLying

 

[Pixie of key]

The Man / EternalLying, why you keep lying?

The cosmic backround radiation is not from expanding space!

or do you really think that expanding space is something like expanding matter, which emit expanding information?

if it is like expading matter / energy / movement, which expanding to the outside place which already exist, then is not space at all!

then it is just expanding matter!

expanding space not emit energy what you call with name cosmic backround radiation!

you have a wrong idea or then you just keep lying!

All information which is in eternal and infinity space which is nothing, is energy / movement which is not space!

Space is not information / energy / movement!

Space is just place which is nothing! Eternal and infinity place which is nothing!

Space cant emit information!

Cosmic backround radiation is energy, it is not space and it is not from space!

it is from density energy / movement!

There is cosmic backround radiation becuse of entropy!

because entropy working inside expanding quarks and inside expanding photons!

Entropy cant working with space, because space is nothing which dont emit anything!

Stop lying the Man!

EternalLove

 

[Reality Check]

Usual ignorance and some lies from Pixie of key

1. All information what we can get is from matter! ...

Let is see, Pixie of key:
1. Wrong: there is also light !
Most of the information we get about the universe is from light.

2. Sort of correct - we do experiments with light but with machines made of matter.

3. A lie - there is information from expanding space as has been explained to you many times, Pixie of key, e.g. Hubble's Law

4. This is the science section of the forum , Pixie of key !

5. This is the science section of the forum Pixie of key !
And lies : Expanding space, curving space and extra dimensions are science, because you can get information from expanding space, curving space (gravity!) or extra dimensions (string theory) !

6. Gibberish

7. Repeat of 2.

8. No one is deluded enough to think that expanding space emits anything, Pixie of key.
People with basic knowledge of physics know that the effects of expanding space can be detected.

 

[Reality Check]

The cosmic backround radiation is not from expanding space!

Pixie of key: Why do you insist in showing that you are just a
Finnish physics crackpot with no known mathematical ability, little knowledge of physics shown, lots of hand waving and some primitive videos?

The cosmic microwave background radiation is not from expanding space - it is from the Big Bang !

Followed by the EternalLie (his denial/ignorance does not mean that expanding space does not exist), EternalGibberish, EternalFantasy and EternalIgnorance from Pixie of key that we have seen since 2008!

 

[Pixie of key]

"Most of the information we get about the universe is from light."

No way!

There is some information / movement / energy from photons, because also photons expanding and recycling expanding movement / energy with each other, but this is information / movement / energy what our expanding machine cant detect / observe / realise!

So, you lie again, you cant get information from photon with today science machines!

Maybe future is new kind of expanding machines which can observe this kind of information which is from expanding photon!

expanding photon is information for us from expanding nuclei of atom!

stop lying dudes!

EternalLove

 

[The Man]

The Man / EternalLying, why you keep lying?

Heck, I never started.

The cosmic backround radiation is not from expanding space!

I didn't say it was "from expanding space" just that it wasn't "information from stars" as you asserted.

or do you really think that expanding space is something like expanding matter, which emit expanding information?

if it is like expading matter / energy / movement, which expanding to the outside place which already exist, then is not space at all!

then it is just expanding matter!

Again read the links cited, the expansion happens (at least currently) only on cosmological scales (between galaxy clusters and such) so it is explicitly not "expanding matter". How many times do you need to be admonished on this?

expanding space not emit energy what you call with name cosmic backround radiation!

I never said expanding space emitted anything and certainly not the CBR. Your fixation on emissions has got you confused just as your fixation on belief did.

you have a wrong idea or then you just keep lying!

As I never said the things you have attempted to attribute to me it centrally ain't me that's lying. You evidently have some narrative in your head that you ascribe as a lie but obviously don't what to acknowledge just where it comes from (you).

All information which is in eternal and infinity space which is nothing, is energy / movement which is not space!

Space is not information / energy / movement!

Space is just place which is nothing! Eternal and infinity place which is nothing!

Space cant emit information!

Cosmic backround radiation is energy, it is not space and it is not from space!

it is from density energy / movement!

There is cosmic backround radiation becuse of entropy!

because entropy working inside expanding quarks and inside expanding photons!

Entropy cant working with space, because space is nothing which dont emit anything!

None of which answers the direct questions asked...

Do you consider space to be real?

Is space “movement/ energy, also expanding matter”?

Stop lying the Man!

Stop trying to attribute your own lies, confusion and lack of research to others. Instead I again recommend you read the articles already provided and attempt to actually address the evidence cited as opposed to just your own (that you at least acknowledge to be a lie) narrative.

EternalLove

EternalPitty

 

[Pixie of key]

The Man, why you keep lying?


Originally Posted by*Pixie of key*The cosmic backround radiation is not from expanding space!

The Man: "I didn't say it was "from expanding space" just that it wasn't "information from stars" as you asserted."

i never write that cosmic backround is from stars or information from expanding stars!

i write that cosmic backround is expanding information from density movement / energy!

stop lying The Man!

EternalLove

 

[Reality Check]

"Most of the information we get about the universe is from light."

No way!

Yes way - are you ignorant of the existence of telescopes, Pixie of key ?

So you write a delusion, Pixie of key - we get information from photons in telescopes, e.g. their frequency, as school children know!

There is more in Usual ignorance and some lies from Pixie of key that you ignored.