Merged Onesimpleprinciple predicting the flow of Dark?

[Pixie of key]

Wait, what? "No one can tell what kind of system the expanding space in itself is"? You just said it yourself the system is a "coordinate system". Why do you continue to feel the need to assert "No one can tell what kind of system" when you just told "what kind of system"?






Simply asserting "the condensations of the
visible universe are expanding all the time three-dimensionally outwards to already" isn't explaining how "the condensations of the
visible universe are expanding all the time three-dimensionally outwards to already"

As always your assertions contradict themselves you have

"With this inner motion/pushing force the expanding system/condensation is able to
slow down the speed of the energy of the pushing motion/energy expanding from the
outside, making some of the pushing motion from outside to its own inner motion."

but then

"This newfound inner motion/pushing force can be used to do the same again and all
the while gain increasing motion/energy which, as an inner motion, is object´s inner
pushing force/pressure which makes the condensation expand/scatter to bigger and
bigger area to an eternal and infinite space of nothing!"

So your "slow down the speed of the energy of the pushing motion/energy expanding from the
outside," just becomes "pushing force/pressure which makes the condensation expand/scatter to bigger and
bigger area "

Or to put it more succinctly you assert your "slow down" of the "expanding from the
outside," actually increases that "expanding" "to bigger and
bigger area "

Again how can you expect to get anyone to agree with your "Onesimpleprinciple" when you can't even get it to agree with itself?

Do you understund what is thermal expansion?

There is expanding movement / energy which pushing inside expanding matter and then you can found out how that expanding matter thermal expanding.

So, expanding quarks thermal expanding all a time!

There is expanding movement 7 energy outside expanding quarks which pushing inside expanding quarks and get expanding quarks expanding faster and faster!

So, what is the point what you dont understund?

EternalRecycling

 

[Pixie of key]

Wait, what? "No one can tell what kind of system the expanding space in itself is"? You just said it yourself the system is a "coordinate system". Why do you continue to feel the need to assert "No one can tell what kind of system" when you just told "what kind of system"?

You really dont understund that you dont get any answer, when i ask, what kind of system is expanding space?

Lets try that way.

There is religion people who believe, god created universe.

Okay, heres come question.

How god created universe?

Answer. God created universe in seven days.

Question: Where is based on?

Answer: It is based on the god created universe.

So, now you understund how god created universe, REALLY?

HEH HEH HEH!!!!!!

EternalLove

 

[Pixie of key]

What kind of system is expandind concentration / condensation?

It is system which expanding to the outside space which already exist and which is eternal and infinity place which is nothing.

Thats why expanding concentration density and size changing and this is because there is movement "in" space which already exist and which is nothing!

So, lets try to explain, what kind of system is expanding space!

And, please, dont handwaving and just say, it is system which metric grid grow, because then you dont tell anything how that happening!

Lets just tell how space expanding / how space metric grid growing!

What kind of system is space which metric grid grow / what kind of system is expanding space?

EternalRecycling

 

[Pixie of key]

The condensation itself consists of smaller condensations that recycle the eternal motion in a corresponding way and therefore the inner motion/pressure gets the thing in the system to scatter to wider and wider band with help from pushing force.

The bigger band the expanding motion of the subject scatters to, the more motion of all background protrudes through it and the more it gets that motion to its own inner motion/energy/pushing force.

So the condensations that form all the backgrounds motion no longer expand in the same ratio as the expanding motions that form the visible universe do and that is exactly why they keep pushing more and more through the expanding condensations of the visible universe all the time.

The further forward the visible universe protrudes, the less motion/energy (not dark energy) of all background have the expanding condensations ahead been able to eat/absorb to themselves. That is also why there is more and more motion/energy of all background available for the expanding condensations of the visible world all the time.

In this way the Onesimpleprinciple model is able to explain how and why the expanding condensations expand outward to the already existing space. And since a portion of the inner expanding motion/energy is directed out of the expanding condensation, functions that expanding motion/energy as a pushing force by the aid of which the expanding condensation is able to push other similar expanding condensations/concentrations away from itself.

EternalMovement

 

[turingtest]

I'd decided that there was no point contributing to this thread; but the unconscious comedy gold in following this:

Do you understund what is thermal expansion?

There is expanding movement / energy which pushing inside expanding matter and then you can found out how that expanding matter thermal expanding.

So, expanding quarks thermal expanding all a time!

There is expanding movement 7 energy outside expanding quarks which pushing inside expanding quarks and get expanding quarks expanding faster and faster!

with this:

So, what is the point what you dont understund?

just made me laugh out loud. Well done, Pixie.

 

[Pixie of key]

I'd decided that there was no point contributing to this thread; but the unconscious comedy gold in following this:

with this:

just made me laugh out loud. Well done, Pixie.

good, now you live long life!

so, can you explain what happening for expanding space when is expanding?

if not, expanding space theory is for me just naked empaire!

EternalLove

 

[The Man]

Do you understund what is thermal expansion?

Yep. Do you?

There is expanding movement / energy which pushing inside expanding matter and then you can found out how that expanding matter thermal expanding.

Actually thermal expansion refers to a change in volume due to a change in temperature .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_expansion

So, expanding quarks thermal expanding all a time!

There is expanding movement 7 energy outside expanding quarks which pushing inside expanding quarks and get expanding quarks expanding faster and faster!

Actually that would just be expansion, in order for it to be thermal expansion the change in volume would have to be related to a change in temperature. Indeed, if your purported "expansion" were related to temperature or thermal energy in any way it would be easily detectable and verifiable. As it isn't then your "expansion" is either non-existent or non-thermal, you can take your pick

So, what is the point what you dont understund?

EternalRecycling

As you've evidently ignored them, I'll ask the questions again.

Why do you continue to feel the need to assert "No one can tell what kind of system" when you just told "what kind of system"?

Again how can you expect to get anyone to agree with your "Onesimpleprinciple" when you can't even get it to agree with itself?

 

[turingtest]

good, now you live long life!

so, can you explain what happening for expanding space when is expanding?

if not, expanding space theory is for me just naked empaire!

EternalLove

 

[The Man]

You really dont understund that you dont get any answer, when i ask, what kind of system is expanding space?

You really don't understand that you gave the answer yourself?

Lets try that way.

There is religion people who believe, god created universe.

Okay, heres come question.

How god created universe?

Answer. God created universe in seven days.

Question: Where is based on?

Answer: It is based on the god created universe.

So, now you understund how god created universe, REALLY?

HEH HEH HEH!!!!!!

EternalLove

Your inability to create effective or representative dialogue in no way impugns the fact that your question was answered and you know what that answer was. Similarly your apparent desire to create a circular dialogue in your own imagination in no way makes the answer you acknowledge you have been given to your "what kind of system" question circular.

If you just want to assert that you don't understand what a coordinate system is, how it applies or how it might expand in the cosmological consideration you can just say or ask that. However, your "what kind of system" question has been answered and you own assertions acknowledge that answer. So why do you continue to pretend "No one can tell what kind of system the expanding space in itself is"? when you yourself have told?

 

[Reality Check]

Do you understund what is thermal expansion?

Do you understand that the universe is not a solid, liquid, gas or plasma and thus does not thermally expand, Pixie of key ?

Snipped usual EternalGibberish, EternalFantasy and EternalIgnorance.

 

[Reality Check]

Lets try that way...god gibberish snipped...

Not only EternalGibberish, EternalFantasy and EternalIgnorance from Pixie of key, but now also irrelevant EternalReligion

 

[Reality Check]

What kind of system is expandind concentration / condensation? ...

What kind of EternalGibberish, EternalFantasy and EternalIgnorance follows that statement from Pixie of key?
The usual EternalGibberish, EternalFantasy and EternalIgnorance from Pixie of key that we have seen since 2008 !

Ditto for the next post !

 

[Pixie of key]

You really don't understand that you gave the answer yourself?




Your inability to create effective or representative dialogue in no way impugns the fact that your question was answered and you know what that answer was. Similarly your apparent desire to create a circular dialogue in your own imagination in no way makes the answer you acknowledge you have been given to your "what kind of system" question circular.

If you just want to assert that you don't understand what a coordinate system is, how it applies or how it might expand in the cosmological consideration you can just say or ask that. However, your "what kind of system" question has been answered and you own assertions acknowledge that answer. So why do you continue to pretend "No one can tell what kind of system the expanding space in itself is"? when you yourself have told?

ok.

Expanding space = coordinate system, ok?

if so, what kind of system is coordinate system or expanding coordinate system?

what happening for expanding coordinate system when is expanding?

What kind of system is space which metric grid grow / what kind of system is expanding space?

you already know that expanding space dont expanding to the outside to place which already exist?

so, it is different kind of expanding what expanding to the outside is, you know?

which way it is different? Thats what i like to know!

do you know?

if you know, lets tell me, please!

is expanding space something like matter? You know matter density and size can changing "in" space which already exist!

do space have a own density, like matter have?

do space have a size, like matter have?

what expanding space is?

what space which is coordinate system is?

Matter is something real and we can make science test with matter, you know!

can we make science test with expanding space?

can you put expanding space to CERN and can you pushing expanding space to moving fast or can you doing with expanding space anything at all?

or can you just believe, there somewhere is expanding space / some magic coordinate system / ? / something what nobody cant explain?

EternalRecycling

EternalLove

 

[Reality Check]

ok.
...

Not Ok, Pixie of key.

You have been told about the physics of expanding spacetime many times. So asking about it yet again is dumb - read this thread instead !

Even better: go away and learn some science before writing "EternalGibberish, EternalFantasy or EternalIgnorance".

As expected from a Finnish physics crackpot with no known mathematical ability, little knowledge of physics shown, lots of hand waving and some primitive videos you cannot remember the science we can make with expanding space (the last item below):
Pixie of key: questions and ignorance (plus some delusions) as at 22 December 2014

1. 9 September 2013: Pixie of key: What direction did you predict for the dark flow?
2. 10 September 2013: Please show what the trajectory of an apple falling from a tree is using your idea?
3. 10 September 2013: Pixie of key, what is the scientific description of a sunspot? (also needs clarification about what his idea about sunspots is)
4. 19 September 2013: Do all of the galaxies in the universe read about the Eöt-Wash Group (Laboratory Tests of Gravitational and sub-Gravitational Physics) experiments in journals and rearrange themselves to fool the scientists ?
5. 25 September 2014: Have you finally read and understood what was pointed out to you over 2 years ago
   29 October 2012: What is the evidence for the Big Bang?
   ...

 

[The Man]

ok.

Expanding space = coordinate system, ok?

No,

expanding space is the increase of the metric of a coordinate system. The metric of a coordinate system does not have to be increasing so the assertion "Expanding space = coordinate system" is incorrect.

As the old saying goes "All poodles are dogs but not all dogs are poodles".

if so, what kind of system is coordinate system or expanding coordinate system?

A coordinate system is a system of ordering (like ordinal numbers) locations in a physical or mathematical space. One example is the number line where both the ordinal (ordering) and cardinal (counting) aspects of numbers are used to designate locations along the line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_line

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_number

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_number

In an expanding coordinate system the metric (how distance is measured in that system) increases.

I think you might be using the phrase "what kind of system" to mean 'how does it', 'how does it work' or 'why does it happen'. If that is the case you would be better off asking one of those questions since if you just ask "what kind of system" the answer will simply be to name, well, the system involved.

what happening for expanding coordinate system when is expanding?

The metric or how distances are measured gets larger. In simper terms it means stuff gets further apart. In a cosmological application it means that objects that aren't at least gravitationally bound get further apart

What kind of system is space which metric grid grow / what kind of system is expanding space?

Again it is a coordinate system. Again if you really want to ask a different question then you need to ask something other than "What kind of system"

you already know that expanding space dont expanding to the outside to place which already exist?

Yes, that would be a different kind of expansion as the metric of the space need not change, at least the way I read your question.

so, it is different kind of expanding what expanding to the outside is, you know?

which way it is different? Thats what i like to know!

do you know?

if you know, lets tell me, please!

Well the difference is the in an expanding coordinate system the metric or how distances are measured changes. With just simple expansion, say like in thermal expansion you mentioned before, the metric of the coordinate system can remain the same while the objet itself expanded.

is expanding space something like matter? You know matter density and size can changing "in" space which already exist!

It can be, which is to say the coordinate system can be related to aspects of a material object. At one time I think the standard definition of a meter was the length of some reference piece of platinum. However, currently the definition of a meter is now tied to how far light travels in a set interval of time.

do space have a own density, like matter have?

As far as a physical space goes, none that anyone has been able to detect. A mathematical space is just the limits of some set. To keep the definition of space (physically and mathematically) consent if there were to be found some density in space-time it would be considered as something in space-time and not a density of the coordinate system itself.

do space have a size, like matter have?

In the physical application of space a finite volume of space has a size represented by that volume. In the mathematical application of "space" a set has a size represented by its cardinality.

what expanding space is?

Again it is a change in the metric of a coordinate system.

what space which is coordinate system is?

I'm sorry I don't understand the question? However, if I recall correctly the metric for the expanding of the cosmos is in a comoving reference frame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_frame

Matter is something real and we can make science test with matter, you know!

Space-time is something real as well and while it doesn't have density it does have other physical properties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_permittivity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_permeability

can we make science test with expanding space?

Yes.

can you put expanding space to CERN and can you pushing expanding space to moving fast or can you doing with expanding space anything at all?

No, but we can't put a star, a galaxy or galaxy cluster "to CERN" either. Still that doesn't stop us from conducting experiments observing such large scale objects.

or can you just believe, there somewhere is expanding space / some magic coordinate system / ? / something what nobody cant explain?

Again, belief is not a relevant factor.

EternalRecycling

EternalLove

EternalHope

 

[Pixie of key]

"No, but we can't put a star, a galaxy or galaxy cluster "to CERN" either. Still that doesn't stop us from conducting experiments observing such large scale objects.*"

Well, later we can go and take little bit some expanding star expanding matter and put that expanding stuff to CERN and pushing that expanding matter to move fast etc.

put you never cant go and take expanding space and you cant put expanding space to CERN etc.

so, what kind of science test you make with expanding space?

EternalLove

 

[Pixie of key]

"No, but we can't put a star, a galaxy or galaxy cluster "to CERN" either. Still that doesn't stop us from conducting experiments observing such large scale objects."

Why you can see and why you know, there is stars?

It is because there is MOVEMENT!

Why you believe there is expanding space?

because of movement?

NOPE!

Because there is ?????

There is what?

Star is system which expanding and moving "in" space which is nothing and which already exist and expanding stars emit expanding movement /"energy which is information which moving "in" space which already exist!

What kind of system is yours magic coordinate system?

how that magic coordinate system changing?

What is reason for changing?

Reason is not movement / motion?

so, what it is?

if you cant explain how and what way expanding space changing, you dont have anything!

then you just believe, there is expanding space!

EternalRecycling

 

[Pixie of key]

Expanding light is information from expanding stars!

is there any information from expanding space?

NOPE!

so, why you believe, there is some magic coordinate system?

i really like to understund that?

Why you believe?

EternalLove

 

[Pixie of key]

So Onesimpleprinciple model is able to squat the Big Bang theory
supporters hands down because Onesimpleprinciple model tells what get
expanding to densify expand and What is expanding to densify
takes place in cases where they are expanding!

These are simple questions, but these questions are
expanding space believers are unable to pay because he will not be able
Nothing to tell about What are expanding to space itself takes place
When it expands! He did not tell us anything about what NOT to expand
space to expand at an accelerating pace, and on how it
will do!

What is dark energy that makes most expansive space to expand
at an accelerating pace, and how it interacts with the expanding space
WITH? Anyone who is considering this issue with the idea, you'll soon That
expanding space is the corresponding concept to What Are Gods!


Questions to which the initial explosion sect members are not able to respond.

1. What kind of system expanding the space itself on? Ok, they say, it is some magic coordinate system, but they just cant explain what kind of system is that magic coordinate system!

2. What are expanding to space itself takes place in cases where it expands?

3. What is to maintain the expanding space expansion?

4. What is dark energy?

5. Where the dark energy come from?

6. How does the dark energy interacts with the expanding space WITH?

7. Where expanding the space itself is composed of?

8. The Big Bang Theory According to the supporters of expanding space: not expanding
Out onto the existing space, so it would be really nice
to know where and how it expands, but that is what he will not be able
to match!

9. IF first: There was nothing, not even space, So How
expanding the space on earth it was an encompassing the non-existence and
So how is it then expands to a comfortable if not out in the already existing
mode?


I would argue that the extended space on top of man out of his hat tempaisema concept Jota
NOT exist!

I would argue that space is eternal and infinite space on EVERY nothing at all, and
Therefore, it is NOT able to change in any way!

All now existing operating on Always Been there!

Movement / motion = Energy

Movement / motion = compressive strength / pushing force

Eternal movement / motion fact, capable of recycling Capture BECAUSE IT
ALSO compressive strength / pushing force That is the eternal recycling No other forces required.

And, therefore, the so-called. tractive / pulling force and curved space Being Human out of his hat tempaisemia concepts that do not exist!

Capture the Move

Later with better english!

EternalRecycling

 

[Pixie of key]

When we think about it, for example, whether the stars are.

Why do we assume that the stars are there?

We assume that the stars are there because we can see them!

Why the stars Seeing is at all possible?

It is based on the fact that the stars emit energy / light that moves in an existing space. Thus, the star itself moves in an existing space, and it radiates energy / light which is only for information that moves in an existing space!

That is, it's why we can see stars, based on Movement / motion / circulation!

Movement / motion already existing in space is the key to why we can see the stars!

Ok, why some of you are expanding the space to exist?

What will default based on?

It does not understand that based on the issue?

Expanding the space does not emit any information that it can not be taken for any information!

Why do some people still believe in its existence?

What is the expanding space expansion based on?

From an expanding, a cluster of expansion is based on the circulation that takes place in an existing space, which is not anything at all!

Capture Recycling

That the above would also be nice to have in with good English!

Even nicer would be if someone would start to gradually understand why expanding the space is full of faith discreet thing, as opposed to the expanding atomic nuclei are feeling!

So this is why we can do scientific experiments atomic nuclei, and if they are expanding all the time, it can be proved scientifically in time, because the nuclei of atoms can be studied scientifically!

Expanding the space can not be examined scientifically in any way!

The expanding space existence can only believe!