Continuation Part 13: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

Status
Not open for further replies.
"In fedOA the University of Naples stores and makes available the full text of the doctoral dissertation."
 
As far as I can tell they don't have any tesi di laurea in that repository, only tesi di dottorato.
 
MDDVS said:
What did you find interesting? The peaks?
Click to expand...


No. The sparsity of the updates, the fact that they begin in 2009 and the date on the page is 2008 which should either have been updated or the page should have been static. It looks fishy. And then there is the missing "w".
 
Machiavelli said:
The scholarship is linked under the caption:



These "scholarships" are for post-doctorate research activities, it means they are for people who already have accomplished a dottorato di ricerca (those who already have a PhD).
Those "scholarships" are in fact research contracts.

This is in fact the kind of activity Stefanoni was doing for several years.
So it could be her.

By the way this is not the same University where she got her degree and PhD, her Alma Mater is the University Federico II.
This one is another university also in Naples, but she might have well found a contract here. She might have found this research contract even when she was already working at the Police.
Click to expand...

You are an intriguing fellow.

You say you're not interested in any search to find out if Stefanoni has a Ph.D., then engage in reply-posting to do exactly that.
 
Machiavelli said:
It's actually more easy for you to get Stefanoni's CV than for me to get copies of the search warrants.........If you have an interest in Stefanoni's CV, or you want to make public statements about the topic, you should e-mail her and ask her, or e-mail the Polizia Scientifica laboratory for it, rather than depend on me.
Click to expand...

I did email Polizia Scientifica - they wouldn't give it to me. If you have her personal email, I'm more than happy to ask her directly.

I think her qualifications, training and expertise are relevant; I think they are relevant for any discipline, particularly when it's brought into court.

The American Bar Association standards require disclosure of qualifications and training of those who are put up as experts. Why not in Italy? But, then, Professor Vecchiotti's are published by Sapienza are they not?

After all, even I can put on a protective suit and start swabbing things with bits of cotton wool on the end of sticks whilst wearing latex gloves. It wouldn't mean I knew what I was doing however. The thing is, you see, there's some compelling evidence that Stefanoni didn't either and that she made rather a lot of mistakes both en scene and later in the lab - well, in the lab, actually, the allegations are even more serious than that.

Would you let a Doctor operate on you without knowing his or her background? Why should courts let people testify as experts without knowing theirs?
 
Last edited:
Kauffer said:
I did email Polizia Scientifica - they wouldn't give it to me. If you have her personal email, I'm more than happy to ask her directly.

I think her qualifications, training and expertise are relevant; I think they are relevant for any discipline, particularly when it's brought into court.

The American Bar Association standards require disclosure of qualifications and training of those who are put up as experts. Why not in Italy? But, then, Professor Vecchiotti's are published by Sapienza are they not?

After all, even I can put on a protective suit and start swabbing things with bits of cotton wool on the end of sticks whilst wearing latex gloves. It wouldn't mean I knew what I was doing however. The thing is, you see, there's some compelling evidence that Stefanoni didn't either and that she made rather a lot of mistakes both en scene and later in the lab - well, in the lab, actually, the allegations are even more serious than that.

Would you let a Doctor operate on you without knowing his or her background? Why should courts let people testify as experts without knowing theirs?
Click to expand...

There is a similar issue with the "Occult Expert" with the West Memphis Three. He had a mail order Phd. Maybe that is what Stefanoni has, a mail order Phd :eek:
 
Dan O. said:
I don't recall Stef ever claiming to have a PhD.
Click to expand...

I don't know if she has one or not; no one seems to know what she has, definitively. But I think her background should be known. It is certainly a source of confusion, internationally, to hear people in Italy referred to as "Dr" when it can be merely a politeness rather than a recognition of a level of academic attainment. People read things into the sound of titles, rightly or wrongly, including the press.

But we do know there was a problem with how she conducted herself in this case and what happened in her lab. She also cited ENFSI in support of herself and her lab when she was complaining and threatening to sue Conti and Vecchiotti. What happened with that threat by the way? Was it just sour grapes and hot air? Anyone know?
 
Strozzi said:
Machiavelli has deep knowledge of this case and knows where to access documents, which us why he is a valued contributor to this discussion - even though we reach different conclusions in this case. Which is why when it is finally resolved I hope he will write a book(s).
Click to expand...
You and Bill. Machiavelli is worth more than two PMF sites combined, but that is the research subject.
I am certain no one on this forum could see a case like this coming.
 
Kauffer said:
I did email Polizia Scientifica - they wouldn't give it to me. If you have her personal email, I'm more than happy to ask her directly.

I think her qualifications, training and expertise are relevant; I think they are relevant for any discipline, particularly when it's brought into court.

The American Bar Association standards require disclosure of qualifications and training of those who are put up as experts. Why not in Italy? But, then, Professor Vecchiotti's are published by Sapienza are they not?

After all, even I can put on a protective suit and start swabbing things with bits of cotton wool on the end of sticks whilst wearing latex gloves. It wouldn't mean I knew what I was doing however. The thing is, you see, there's some compelling evidence that Stefanoni didn't either and that she made rather a lot of mistakes both en scene and later in the lab - well, in the lab, actually, the allegations are even more serious than that.

Would you let a Doctor operate on you without knowing his or her background? Why should courts let people testify as experts without knowing theirs?
Click to expand...

Why? Because she is a police official working for the prosecution. Even though Italy is supposed to practice the adversarial system of justice, the inquisitional system lives on in practice.
 
Machiavelli said:
You mean, like your claim that the Novelli report doesn't exist?
Click to expand...

You really should try to keep up. My statement was that there was no Novelli report concerning the "gap" samples or submitted in the Nencini proceeding. You failed to refute that.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom