Continuation Part 13: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Machiavelli said:
You don't need homicide to have urgency.

Paragraph 1. says urgency is a founded reason to suspect that traces or things at the place may be altered or be lost if they wait.
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Really? Somebody was going to "alter" the "dna" on the knife?

You do realize that you can't just make up phony reasons?
 
Bill Williams said:
These are a lot of keystrokes with surmises and lectures and assertions, when an equal number of keystrokes would have produced (if it existed) Stefanoni's Ph.D.
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But I am not interested in Stefanoni's PhD.

I am interested in burden of proof, and in the innocentisti statements.

You had no trouble with the search warrant (minutes) which you seem to have pulled quite readily from - somewhere!
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Well I have it on my laptop.

It's actually more easy for you to get Stefanoni's CV than for me to get copies of the search warrants. Police and trial documents are much more difficult to obtain than a CV. But I have an interest in legal papers, not in Stefanoni's CV.

If you have an interest in Stefanoni's CV, or you want to make public statements about the topic, you should e-mail her and ask her, or e-mail the Polizia Scientifica laboratory for it, rather than depend on me.
 
Machiavelli said:
I don't know in detail what the members of Narducci's family would do exactly, and I have only some ideas about what Francesco Narducci and Calamandrei used to do (Calamandrei's on "circle" and friends). I am not sure I could call it a "satanic sect". It's something sure, however, that most people involved in the MoF investigation had an interest in exoteric rituals and magic.



No. Absolutely not. But I think he was involved in the side-trackings on the MoF investigation from the very beginning.
In addition, Spezi was a member of SISDE (an Italian governmental secret agency that had devious branches within it, now dissolved) and was a personal friend - and neighbour - of some extremely powerful politicians who were into security matters. He was also a "failed lawyer" (or a "failed magistrate") and was a friend of some important members of the Florentine judiciary (Judge Nannucci and Judge Maradei).



Let's be clear: this is not a theory. This is a proven fact to the courts. It's a judicial truth, there are definitive Cassazione sentences, about the fact that Vanni and Lotti and Pacciani used to murder together. The courts also established that there must have been someone else involved, and that the murderers had a probable exoteric/ritualistic motive of unknown nature.



I would prefer to talk about "exoterism and drugs within the culture of the rich and powerful people".



The probable exoterism motive was the working scenario. But it was acknowledged in the verdicts that chapters of the investigation were still missing.



Yes, he is the founder of the first, famous "Italian" (albeit actually Greek) secret society, known as Schola Italica. It was an aristocratic, anti-democratic group of "illuminati" (enlightened) whose legacy survived through centuries. A Pythagorian secret society of the middle ages known as "Fratelli Obscuri" is believed to be the inspirational branch from which modern-time Anglo-Saxon Masonry developed under Elizabeth the 1st. Their symbols (geometry, triangle, circles with inscribed shapes and solids, eye etc.) are clearly recognizable.
The original Pythagorian Society also had religious symbolism from Egyptian religion and from the Bible.

Calabria - the land of Pythagora - is to the present day probably the land with the highest number pro-capita of members of Masonic lodges in the world.
Unfortunately, in Southern Italy Masonry is also tightly related with mafia and political corruption.
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Thanks Mach. I'm hooked.

Do you have any idea why Spezi would have engaged in side-trackings since 1973? ((IIUC, that's when he began covering the MOF case).
 
Machiavelli said:
But I am not interested in Stefanoni's PhD.

I am interested in burden of proof, and in the innocentisti statements.



Well I have it on my laptop.
It's actually more easy for you to get Stefanoni's CV than for me to get copies of the search warrants. Police and trial documents are much more difficult to obtain than a CV. But I have an interest in legal papers, not in Stefanoni's CV.

If you have an interest in Stefanoni's CV, or you want to make public statements about the topic, you should e-mail her and ask her, or e-mail the Polizia Scientifica laboratory for it, rather than depend on me.
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Is it a MAC?

Not a joke, I have a theory.
 
Diocletus said:
If "by the book" you mean "without a lawyer when there should have been one", then yes.
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Ask Machiavelli to translate that document. It appears to be as with Amanda's written after the fact.

And, BTW, Raffaele, Amanda and Patrick all had a lawyer at that time. Just 15 minutes before the search was to take place they called a public defender by telephone to see if it was okay.

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/sollecito-arrest.pdf
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Sollecito-Apartment-Search.pdf
 
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carbonjam72 said:
Thanks Mach. I'm hooked.

Do you have any idea why Spezi would have engaged in side-trackings since 1973? ((IIUC, that's when he began covering the MOF case).
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Yes, I do have an idea.

Let's just say that his was both a political task he carried on as a paid member of the SISDE and both because of his belonging to a "circle" of friends (Calamandrei was a close friend of him too). Those "friends" were connected by some peculiar interests, by masonic brotherhood, and by their attending some people and places.

The most important "friend" was a prominent politician. Besides the political-ideological and cultural alleigiance, peculiar interests included exoterism (this was a factual finding about Spezi) and peculiar sexual activities (on the part of the politician, of Narducci and other friends) and about "unorthodox" medical techniques to heal sexual problems (on the part of Calamandrei, Narducci and others); habits and acquaintances in common between Narducci, Vanni, Pacciani and Lotti were that they attended the same Florentine prostitutes (albeit Narducci was from Perugia) and they would also visit them together, driving two cars one of which was Narducci's Citroen; and they also shared some very peculiar acquantances (like a known "psychic"); peculiar places included "Il Forteto" and some apartments and houses.

But the question is not really how these people happened to attend a circle and became involved in activities that connected them to each other.

The actual point is that there was a structural element, we can call it a political element, that also happens to be made by masons, but this is incidental (it's only a sub-set of masons), it is basically a political structure, it had established itself in those years and already existed, it pre-existed to the entering of Spezi and others so that it was possible for those people to get involved in it, to become engaged under its umbrella, each one having the opportunity to take advantage of this in order to carry on their own personal illicit aims along their personal vices.
What keeps together a criminal group of power is that all members have something to hide, a need to cover up for each other and something to gain from their being the members of a circle.
 
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I've discovered some evidence that there was a PhD student called Patrizia Stefanoni in the Seconda Università degli Studi di Napoli.

This was in 2003. Is this the same Patrizia Stefanoni?
 
MDDVS said:
I've discovered some evidence that there was a PhD student called Patrizia Stefanoni in the Seconda Università degli Studi di Napoli.

This was in 2003. Is this the same Patrizia Stefanoni?
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There is a Patrizia Stefanoni, Ph.D that is 10 years older than the fraud from Rome.
 
MDDVS said:
See on this link: http://ww.unina2.it/news/p200301.htm

It's something about scholarships. There is a Patrizia Stefanoni listed under "Dottorandi di Ricerca". I don't know if it's the same one or not.
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The scholarship is linked under the caption:

SI COMUNICA CHE SONO UNIFICATE LE DATE DI PAGAMENTO DELLE BORSE DI STUDIO PER ATTIVITA' DI RICERCA POST-DOTTORATO E PERFEZIONAMENTO ALL'ESTERO E PER LE SCUOLE DI SPECIALIZZAZIONE NON CEE, PERTANTO LE SINGOLE RATE SARANNO CORRISPOSTE ALLA FINE DEL MESE DI EFFETTIVO SVOLGIMENTO DELL' ATTIVITA'.
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These "scholarships" are for post-doctorate research activities, it means they are for people who already have accomplished a dottorato di ricerca (those who already have a PhD).
Those "scholarships" are in fact research contracts.

This is in fact the kind of activity Stefanoni was doing for several years.
So it could be her.

By the way this is not the same University where she got her degree and PhD, her Alma Mater is the University Federico II.
This one is another university also in Naples, but she might have well found a contract here. She might have found this research contract even when she was already working at the Police.
 
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Machiavelli said:
The scholarship is linked under the caption:



These "scholarships" are for post-doctorate research activities, it means they are for people who already have accomplished a dottorato di ricerca (those who already have a PhD).
Those "scholarships" are in fact research contracts.

This is in fact the kind of activity Stefanoni was doing for several years.
So it could be her.

By the way this is not the same University where she got her degree and PhD, her Alma Mater is the University Federico II.
This one is another Naples university, but she might have well found a contract here. She might have found this research contract even when she was already working at the Police.
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No mate, her name is under the heading "Dottorandi di Ricerca" which means PhD students not Post-docs. There a sepparate section for post-docs in that list: "Post-Dottorato".

But you confirm that it's not her anyway so it doesn't matter.
 
Matthew Best said:
Gosh, if only someone would do that.

Oh wait....
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I honestly think that you are all chasing a wild hare even bothering with this.
Much more important is the problems others have noted in the machine results, chain of custody, and being unable to be reproduced.
A lack of a Phd is the most minor of the problems with this case
 
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MDDVS said:
No mate, her name is under the heading "Dottorandi di Ricerca" which means PhD students not Post-docs. There a sepparate section for post-docs in that list: "Post-Dottorato".

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You are right, it's correct.

But I can't say for sure it's not her. She might be. I don't know. The name is not that common.
 
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