Latest Bigfoot "evidence"

[ComfySlippers]

I know it's bad manners to stop to look at a car crash but I'm guilty.
Porcupines.
Classic.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I was thinking more along the lines of the tree stump that stopped you dead in your tracks during our hike

When I walk upon a dark object, I stop and have a look to verify its identity. So where's the problem with that? Did I represent it to be anything other than what it was after verification? Nope, I quickly dismissed it as what it was, a stump. Being sharp to catch odd things and movements is how you avoid missing things you're looking for.

I did the exact same thing with the deer if you'll recall. I spotted movement and stopped dead in my tracks. I don't think I misrepresented the deer after it was identified by you either.

If I take the time to address your ridiculous porcupine* assertion (a contradiction itself in that you offered porcupines as crucial to us finding Gigantopithecus fossils), I have no assurance that you will do anything with the information I provide other than concoct another special plead.

The issue is not (necessarily) your psychi [sic], it's that you either fall prey to logical fallacies at every turn or you intentionally incorporate them into your BLAARG-time.


*"Porcupines occur today throughout the Canadian and Hudsonian lifezones of North America and their fossil remains are common constituents of Pleistocene cave and fissure deposits in both the eastern (e.g., Guilday et al., 1977, 1978) and western (e.g., Anderson, 1968; Kurten and Anderson, 1972) United States."

Porcupines couldn't even finish all the porcupine bones around them. Certainly a few bigfoot pieces should have been buried before the toothy ones gnawed them away.

Also, if Giganto teeth and jaws survived porcupines, why not bigfoot? Are bigfoots really lampreys now?

C'mon, Chris.

I suggested that we may well find Bigfoot teeth and jaw bones in caves of North America.

It may be difficult to believe porcupines could eat skeletons but how else would one account for the lack of Giganto bones? All we have it what was left behind, teeth and jaw bone and without further finds, that seems to be the norm.

Why would anyone expect it to be different for Bigfoot bones? I wouldn't expect there to be much difference as again I speculate we may well find teeth and jaw bones in caves courtesy of porcupines as is the case of Giganto. Chris B.

 

[Garrette]

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Also, if Giganto teeth and jaws survived porcupines, why not bigfoot? Are bigfoots really lampreys now?

C'mon, Chris.

Not just porcupines; their actions were beneficial to fossil discovery. The real negative was the farmers combing the caves for fossils to sell to the apothecaries as dragon bones where they would be ground into powder.

So, if BF fossils are most likely to be found in caves, then:

1. Where are the expeditions to explore the caves?

and

2. What will be the excuse when no BF fossils are found given that no one is grinding dragon bones to powder here?

 

[Garrette]

When I walk upon a dark object, I stop and have a look to verify its identity. So where's the problem with that? Did I represent it to be anything other than what it was after verification? Nope, I quickly dismissed it as what it was, a stump. Being sharp to catch odd things and movements is how you avoid missing things you're looking for.

I did the exact same thing with the deer if you'll recall. I spotted movement and stopped dead in my tracks. I don't think I misrepresented the deer after it was identified by you either.



I suggested that we may well find Bigfoot teeth and jaw bones in caves of North America.

It may be difficult to believe porcupines could eat skeletons but how else would one account for the lack of Giganto bones? All we have it what was left behind, teeth and jaw bone and without further finds, that seems to be the norm.

Why would anyone expect it to be different for Bigfoot bones? I wouldn't expect there to be much difference as again I speculate we may well find teeth and jaw bones in caves courtesy of porcupines as is the case of Giganto. Chris B.

See farmers, caves, dragon bones, and powder in my earlier post.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Not just porcupines; their actions were beneficial to fossil discovery. The real negative was the farmers combing the caves for fossils to sell to the apothecaries as dragon bones where they would be ground into powder.

So, if BF fossils are most likely to be found in caves, then:

1. Where are the expeditions to explore the caves?

and

2. What will be the excuse when no BF fossils are found given that no one is grinding dragon bones to powder here?

See farmers, caves, dragon bones, and powder in my earlier post.

Since "Dragon Bones" were used in Chinese medicine the motive to seek and profit from their discovery no doubt fueled the effort to locate them.

North America, not much effort to locate fossils as we don't use "Dragon Bones" here for some reason.

As far as cave digs, I don't know why more effort isn't being put into digs. Perhaps one hang up is the discovery of Native American artifacts prior to achieving a much lower level of excavation. Once the Native American artifacts start being pulled out, that changes things quite a bit. Some digs may even be considered a nightmare of paperwork for that very reason.
Chris B.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Why would anyone expect it to be different for Bigfoot bones?

This is growing tiresome Chris. Figboot cannot behave exactly like every other animal... right up until the point where he doesn't because you need an excuse as to why there's zero evidence.

So Figboot dies, rots, leaves bones and so forth like very other mammal right up until the point where "Somebody finds one" and then out comes the porcupines.

You're trying to have your 10 foot tall bipedal ape and eat it too.

 

[Garrette]

Since "Dragon Bones" were used in Chinese medicine the motive to seek and profit from their discovery no doubt fueled the effort to locate them.

North America, not much effort to locate fossils as we don't use "Dragon Bones" here for some reason.

Missing the point. It's the dragon bone search that led to the depletion of the fossils in the caves; no such excuse for depletion exists here for Bigfoot.

As far as cave digs, I don't know why more effort isn't being put into digs. Perhaps one hang up is the discovery of Native American artifacts prior to achieving a much lower level of excavation. Once the Native American artifacts start being pulled out, that changes things quite a bit. Some digs may even be considered a nightmare of paperwork for that very reason.
Chris B.

1. Let's assume there aren't such cave searches. Why aren't the Bigfooters organizing them? Why not you? You have a documented migratory path in your backyard, yes? How often have you checked the caves nearby?

2. The caves have been searched. Perhaps not specifically for Bigfoot fossils, but for other reasons. The central Kentucky cave system is very well explored yet there are no Bigfoot fossil finds reported.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Oh dear. Should I laugh or cry?
Chris, my depth of understanding?
Study of the subject?

I've opted to laugh.
You can't study something that doesn't exist!

Certainly Giganto existed. It's commonly accepted that porcupines ate their remains. Everything except teeth and a few jaw bones. Chris B.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Since "Dragon Bones" were used in Chinese medicine the motive to seek and profit from their discovery no doubt fueled the effort to locate them.

As opposed to the Figboot cult which is purely altruistic.

North America, not much effort to locate fossils as we don't use "Dragon Bones" here for some reason.

Right because like an actual near literal bone war in America or anything like that. Certainly not between people named Cope or Marsh and certainly not between

"No effort to locate fossils in North American."" Jeez this is going beyond being wrong into full on re-writing reality as you see fit territory.

 

[The Shrike]

Psst . . . Chris. You should check this out.*

You also might consider doing some reading on this whole "paleontology" thing, because it's pretty important. You'll apparently be surprised to learn how often paleontologists excavate cave sediments for fossils.

Other things they routinely explore that should also provide bigfootie fossils were such bones to have existed in the first place:

bogs
packrat middens
alluvial fans
lake sediments
sinkholes
"tar pits"
mines
highway road cuts
glacial outwash
other museum collections/curio shops
archaeological digs

*I just found SIX caving clubs in Kentucky.

 

[carlitos]

Certainly Bigfoot exists. From infant dragging on their mom's teat to juveniles to full grown adults. I know this because I've seen them. It's not my fault you haven't seen any.

I'm hoping that, as others have suggested, you are playing a game here. Because to think that you are delusional makes me unhappy.

If you wish to study the psychology of people and Bigfoot perhaps ...

Since people exist, we can study their psychology. Bigfoot? No.

"No effort to locate fossils in North American."" Jeez this is going beyond being wrong into full on re-writing reality as you see fit territory.

I'm embarrassed to read these things.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Missing the point. It's the dragon bone search that led to the depletion of the fossils in the caves; no such excuse for depletion exists here for Bigfoot.

1. Let's assume there aren't such cave searches. Why aren't the Bigfooters organizing them? Why not you? You have a documented migratory path in your backyard, yes? How often have you checked the caves nearby?

2. The caves have been searched. Perhaps not specifically for Bigfoot fossils, but for other reasons. The central Kentucky cave system is very well explored yet there are no Bigfoot fossil finds reported.

And no such motivation for finding them. Remember, we don't have farmers reaping the rewards from apothecaries here in North America.

1. Perhaps there are, there certainly should be more. There is a cave on the family farm owned by my family yes. I'm mostly concerned with retrieving a modern biological specimen, at this time though.
2. That's true, we have alot of caves here. Most of them contain Native American artifacts as well. That's a particular problem with doing a legal dig. Once you find Native American artifacts, everything grinds to a halt and now you'll find a new set of rules to go by. Illegal digs are another issue. I have no desire to spend jail time or absorb fines from an illegal dig. Some good well organized legal permitted digs would be the way to go.
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Psst . . . Chris. You should check this out.*

You also might consider doing some reading on this whole "paleontology" thing, because it's pretty important. You'll apparently be surprised to learn how often paleontologists excavate cave sediments for fossils.

Other things they routinely explore that should also provide bigfootie fossils were such bones to have existed in the first place:

bogs
packrat middens
alluvial fans
lake sediments
sinkholes
"tar pits"
mines
highway road cuts
glacial outwash
other museum collections/curio shops
archaeological digs

*I just found SIX caving clubs in Kentucky.

Exploring caves and digging around in them are two very different issues.
Chris B.

 

[Garrette]

And no such motivation for finding them. Remember, we don't have farmers reaping the rewards from apothecaries here in North America.

1. Perhaps there are, there certainly should be more. There is a cave on the family farm owned by my family yes. I'm mostly concerned with retrieving a modern biological specimen, at this time though.
2. That's true, we have alot of caves here. Most of them contain Native American artifacts as well. That's a particular problem with doing a legal dig. Once you find Native American artifacts, everything grinds to a halt and now you'll find a new set of rules to go by. Illegal digs are another issue. I have no desire to spend jail time or absorb fines from an illegal dig. Some good well organized legal permitted digs would be the way to go.
Chris B.

So if we boil it down, the absolute best case status of the evidence for Bigfoot is this:

1. There isn't any outside caves except what you will not show us.

2. There might be some inside caves but no one has produced any, and you're not going to try.

 

[Drewbot]

Gigantopithecus never existed north of southern Asia.

How you can place them in North America, when they haven't even been found in Central China, Mongolia, Siberia, Alaska, Canada or North America?

Clearly their body was not made for any sort of long migrations.

 

[carlitos]

I have no desire to spend jail time or absorb fines from an illegal dig...
Chris B.

Where is AlaskaBushPilot when you need him? I can't figure out where to put this imagined martyrdom thing on my manipulative personality bingo card.

 

[Giordano]

Exploring caves and digging around in them are two very different issues.
Chris B.

Sure, people explorer caves all the time and don't notice odd, humanoid skeletons lying around.

There should be at least some Bigfoot skeletons in caves that haven't been buried by geological means and should be very obvious to any explorer. Unless you are also proposing that Bigfoots bury their dead, but carefully hide the grave so no one would detect it? Have you noticed how often human bodies come to light despite the efforts of murderers to hide them?

I should point out that many cave explorers do open narrow passages, or sift through and carefully examine interesting features of caves.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

As opposed to the Figboot cult which is purely altruistic.



Right because like an actual near literal bone war in America or anything like that. Certainly not between people named Cope or Marsh and certainly not between

"No effort to locate fossils in North American."" Jeez this is going beyond being wrong into full on re-writing reality as you see fit territory.

Hold your horses and your out of context attempt to swing this conversation elsewhere.

We were discussing the difference between Chinese "farmers" and North American "farmers" as related to motivation for finding "Dragon Bones"

The Chinese guys had motive as they were making money from the sale of these fossils to medicine shops. Our guys didn't have the same motivation.
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Sure, people explorer caves all the time and don't notice odd, humanoid skeletons lying around.

There should be at least some Bigfoot skeletons in caves that haven't been buried by geological means and should be very obvious to any explorer. Unless you are also proposing that Bigfoots bury their dead, but carefully hide the grave so no one would detect it? Have you noticed how often human bodies come to light despite the efforts of murderers to hide them?

I should point out that many cave explorers do open narrow passages, or sift through and carefully examine interesting features of caves.

Certainly skeletons have been found by spelunkers. I had an uncle credited with one such find. Looking around in a cave and heading up a dig are very very different activities. Chris B.

 

[Giordano]

I also find it interesting the idea that Bigfoots are not captured by trail cams, nor are their bodies ever found because they are so much cleverer than we are. Yet they are happy to live in the woods over 100's of thousands of years in the rain and the cold with no real shelters, no food caches, no weapons, no technology that has ever been discovered. But they do like to scare human tourists by screaming or throwing rocks. I like jokes, but these actions of Bigfoot represents a dedication to a sense of humor that impresses even me.