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Full moon and werewolves

Why would you feel a need for Silver Bullets?

I mean. We provide you with a permanent Nocturnal Vampiric Police Force (The NVPF) and put you on a parental advisory committee.
No need for Silver Bullets for you sir.

Although, I guess, you could apply for a permit for them.
 
Why would you feel a need for Silver Bullets?

I mean. We provide you with a permanent Nocturnal Vampiric Police Force (The NVPF) and put you on a parental advisory committee.
No need for Silver Bullets for you sir.

Although, I guess, you could apply for a permit for them.

The Constipation clearly states that I can have silver bullets if I want them. The 222 Amendment has been interpreted to say this, or something vaguely like it. So, in this case I chose to not ignore the Constipation, no matter how moving a document it may be.
 
Who says anything, lik you can't have them? Not us!
Of course you can!

We were just questioning your need for them.
As said. If you just fill in the right forms in the right way (and post them in the right place, etc, etc, etc), you can have all the Silver Bullets you want.

I'm glad we were able to ease your worry.
 
Who says anything, lik you can't have them? Not us!
Of course you can!

We were just questioning your need for them.
As said. If you just fill in the right forms in the right way (and post them in the right place, etc, etc, etc), you can have all the Silver Bullets you want.

I'm glad we were able to ease your worry.

Ah think ya'll jist here to violate mah rats!
 
The Constipation clearly states that I can have silver bullets if I want them. The 222 Amendment has been interpreted to say this, or something vaguely like it. So, in this case I chose to not ignore the Constipation, no matter how moving a document it may be.

I think that only grants you the right to bear arms. But people with bear arms are some kind of lycanthrope (ursanthrope?) themselves.
 
Thank you.
I was a bit surprised that the full moon phase is that short. I had imagined it to last at least a few hours. Shows how much intuition knows. :)

And yes. I did mean a waning instead of a waxing moon. :blush:

About the 55%. I had thought it was we could see more of the moon because the Earth is bigger than the moon? And thus us being able to look a bit 'around the corner', as it were? But maybe the effect isn't that big, due to the distance of the moon.

The duration of the full moon is entirely dependent on how you want to define it. I went for the instant when it is exactly opposite the sun, but if you want to think of it as the entire night nearest that moment, that's perfectly fine.

Looking "around the corner" would only apply if you could be on opposite sides of the Earth at once. From any one spot, geometry no doubt says you're seeing slightly less than a full face at any one time. And as you say, due to the distance the effect is small in either case.

Now that I think of it, for half the Earth the full moon occurs during the daytime, when the moon is on the far side and we can't see it! Maybe just go by the day marked on your calendar!

Now I've got this strange urge to watch the Doctor Who episode "Tooth and Claw"! Lord Doctor of Tardis!
 
According to who?

According to geometry. Your line of sight must be to the side of the sun's line of illumination, because if it wasn't, the earth would be in the way, and you'd get a lunar eclipse, not a full moon. And since your line of sight to the moon is at a different angle than the sun's illumination, you will be looking at a sliver of the moon that the sun doesn't illuminate.
 
According to geometry. Your line of sight must be to the side of the sun's line of illumination, because if it wasn't, the earth would be in the way, and you'd get a lunar eclipse, not a full moon. And since your line of sight to the moon is at a different angle than the sun's illumination, you will be looking at a sliver of the moon that the sun doesn't illuminate.

Sorry, no. Since the sun is farther from the moon than the earth, it illuminates a greater fraction of the moon than is visible from the earth. There is no obvious reason why the two fractions cannot overlap, although if you want to crunch the numbers I might be wrong.
 
Sorry, no. Since the sun is farther from the moon than the earth, it illuminates a greater fraction of the moon than is visible from the earth. There is no obvious reason why the two fractions cannot overlap, although if you want to crunch the numbers I might be wrong.

No, that's not correct.

If the moon is not in a lunar eclipse, it will be either above (north) or below (south) the plane of the earth's orbit around the sun when it is "full". Let's consider the case where it's north of the plane. You will then be looking "up" at the moon (relative to the plane of the earth's orbit). Consider the southern-most point on the moon that you have a line of sight to. Your line of sight will contact this point at a tangent.

This point will necessarily be shaded from the sun. Why? Because from the sun's perspective, rays of light will not have to point "up" as much to reach the moon. They will be traveling at an angle closer to the plane of the earth's orbit. The will therefore not be able to reach that southern-most spot on the moon that is still within your line of sight, because your line of sight already defines the least "upward" line that can reach this spot.

The ONLY way the sun can illuminate everything on the moon in your line of sight is for light from the sun to reach the moon parallel to your line of sight. But that can only happen if you are between the sun and the moon. But unless you're in space, then you cannot be between the sun and the moon without there being a lunar eclipse.

Although this does raise an interesting question: what happens to werewolves in space?
 
I think one problem here is that whenever you watch a movie about werewolves, you are told that everything you think you know about werewolves is "just in the movies", but werewolves actually behave differently IRL.
 
You are talking about movie werewolves. There is no ancient legend or mythology that associates werewolves with the moon. Not even the most superstitious person before 1940 AD believed that humans turned to wolves when and only when the moon was full. There were superstitious people who believed that humans could turn to wolves and back. For some reason, astrologers never weighed in on the topic of werewolves. So the werewolves/moon connection was a false meme started in the movies.

The association between werewolves and the full moon was a meme that was first propagated by the first werewolf movie, 'Werewolf in London'. There was an radiation of lunar werewolves following another movie, 'The Wolf man'. Since then, there have been many variations on the idea of men who change to wolves at night during a full moon. No detailed analysis have ever been done on this fictional and nontraditional correlation between werewolves and the moon.

No entirely true. Firstly, the myth has roots in a lot of places, so there is no one ancient source to gather information from, but rather many writings from many cultures across Europe (Asian culture tends to have were-cats rather than wolves). While I agree that Hollywood movies have certainly have popularised and formulised what we now would consider the modern werewolf, the early 20th century movie writers drew on earlier traditions.

The earliest sources mostly seem to have no reasons for transformation, though it is sometimes emotions such as anger, or an ability or curse. Stripping naked and then donning the pelt, or a belt made from a wolf fur was also common. However, there was a belief from Russia that you could be transformed into a werewolf by sleeping naked outdoors under a full moon.

The most likely place that the current myth draws from, however, is the lore from Hungary and Balkans, the same place we get a lot of the modern (pre-Twilight) Vampire lore from. There it was believed that werewolves took form on nights of significant astronomical events, such as the winter solstice and also full moons. Thus to say that it was created by Hollywood is wrong, but since the texts from Hungary are 17-18th century, whereas werewolves, or at least shape-changers, go back hundreds of years earlier, then to say ancient texts don't include it would be correct.

The bad effect of silver on werewolves is also a movie meme. Evil spirits and monsters in ancient legend are often dispatched with iron. I don't mean just cutting or trauma. Creatures who are supernaturally evil just have to touch iron to be hurt badly. So a werewolf who runs when he sees iron is a mythologically correct monster. Running from silver is just a Universal Pictures fantasy.

Again, not entirely true. Yes, again Hollywood has popularised it, but it started to appear in German folklore in the 19th Century, so again, Hollywood writers drew on earlier sources. Iron certainly was the weapon of choice against the fey, but in the earliest sources of werewolves they tended to be totally vulnerable to standard weapons. One such tale tells of a woodcutter on his way home at night being attacked by a large wolf and striking off its front paw with his axe, only on his return home to discover his wife cradling her arm, a bloody stump where her hand should have been. Other stories have more unusual methods such as using weapons crafted from of dog or wolf bone, or finding the hidden skins and poisoning then with Belladonna (Nightshade) or Aconitum (Wolf's Bane). In one such tale the skins were rubbed with salt which then made the wearers vulnerable to weapons when they transformed.

Likewise werewolves could be killed by decapitation, drowning, asphyxia, or general massive trauma, such as dumping a boulder on them.

Using cold iron or iron forged weapons isn't one I have seen a lot of in the tales I have read, though I suspect you are generalising from other supernatural types to include werewolves, not going by the tales told.
 
Using cold iron or iron forged weapons isn't one I have seen a lot of in the tales I have read, though I suspect you are generalising from other supernatural types to include werewolves, not going by the tales told.

You are right and I was wrong. Werewolves are vulnerable to standard weapons like axes and swords. Sandra weapons can be made of iron, but not necessarily. Maybe I was thinking more of middle eastern creatures such as Djinn and ghouls.

Astrology gets entangled with many supernatural creatures, werewolves included. I didn't know those slavic stories about werewolves changing under a full moon. The majority of tales that I read do not mention full moons at all. However, apparently you know a few such tales.

Vampires were often 'killed' with tools, which are often iron. There are skeletons in Roumanian graves with iron stakes (including plows) stuck between the ribs of the skeleton. However, I think that wooden stakes were also used.

The idea seems to be fastening the animate vampire to the grave so it can't get out. The stakes were not intended for de-animating the vampire. Iron stakes have much more longevity than wooden stakes. Bricks in the mouth were also used so the vampire couldn't bite anyone.

Again, few would waste silver on a vampire. There was no magical substance for killing vampires. Vampires could be confined, but they couldn't be killed. Vampirism was a curse for eternity. The Slavic legends about vampires (or draugr in Norse mythology) remind me more of 'Return of the Living Dead' then 'Dracula'.
 
the myth has roots in a lot of places

Some claim werewolf and vampire legends arose from porphyria. Sufferers avoid light, have chronic light burns/scars, unusual facial hair growth, cognitive and behavioral effects, and may have found some relief from symptoms by drinking blood. Had a stepdaughter with CEP, could only imagine what it was like before modern medicine.
 

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