Michael Brown shooting II

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tsig said:
Which would you rather have a target or a tombstone?
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What are you saying, that he could be carrying a tombstone on his back the rest of his life instead? Seems like that'd be a lot harder than a target , but I guess it'd be a good shield against getting shot in the back. Life's full of trade offs I guess.
 
Mike! said:
What are you saying, that he could be carrying a tombstone on his back the rest of his life instead? Seems like that'd be a lot harder than a target , but I guess it'd be a good shield against getting shot in the back. Life's full of trade offs I guess.
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Maybe it's not an actual tombstone, but the pizza?
 
tsig said:
Are you saying Brown was a monster about to tear off Wilson's head?
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A person that size could easily kill a person, especially if they wrestle the gun away.

Isn't that what you were suggesting when you said better to have a target on your back than be dead? :confused:
 
tsig said:
Are you saying Brown was a monster about to tear off Wilson's head?
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Why would it matter if he tore off his head? Where has this conversation gone lately? To even imply that Brown wasn't a deadly threat, with the evidence available, would be denying the actual evidence available.
 
tsig said:
Are you saying Brown was a monster about to tear off Wilson's head?
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You cannot possibly be serious, but either way my bet is that you have never been in a fight with an angry 300 lb punk.

My bet is based on the apparent fact that you still have a head.
 
plague311 said:
Why would it matter if he tore off his head? Where has this conversation gone lately? To even imply that Brown wasn't a deadly threat, with the evidence available, would be denying the actual evidence available.
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Bingo. Now you've figured out what they're doing. They are denying the evidence, for the purpose of perpetuating a completely counterproductive argument for as long as possible.

So now you know what they do. As evidenced by the current 81 pages of turgid prose about nothing more than a criminal assaulting and consequently getting shot by a cop.
 
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Wolrab said:
Wow, no one mentioned the peaceful Police Oversight Committee Meeting?
http://fox2now.com/2015/01/29/in-fergusons-wake-police-and-citizens-scuffle-at-st-louis-meeting/

Seems to have gotten a little out of hand.
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It was the unmitigated audacity of the Police Union Rep, who, by showing support for, of all people, a former police officer, that started it all. He's the one who went and stirred up the peaceful protestors who simply wanted to show their support for a violent felon jolly fellow, who just wanted a peaceful afternoon, peacefully smokin' a blunt with a friend or two, before his life was cut short, just for jaywalking, or something. People need to quit clouding the issue with facts and stick to the narrative. That's the only way to get justice for Michael Brown.
 
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KatieG said:
wilson was not exactly a shrinking violet. There wasn't you really are a lot of difference between the sizes of the 2 men.
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Would you want to fight someone who has 80lbs on you, knowing that if you lose you could die?
 
plague311 said:
Why would it matter if he tore off his head?
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Well, he wouldn't have a head, for starters.

KatieG said:
wilson was not exactly a shrinking violet. There wasn't you really are a lot of difference between the sizes of the 2 men.
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An 80 pound weight difference (140% of Wilson's weight) plus the momentum of the guy running at you is kind of a big deal. Next time you watch a football game on TV, note how they list the players height and weight. There is a reason for this.
 
WildCat said:
Would you want to fight someone who has 80lbs on you, knowing that if you lose you could die?
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That argument doesn't matter to people who think police are supposed to be willing to die if necessary to save the lives of their attackers.
 
KatieG said:
wilson was not exactly a shrinking violet. There wasn't you really are a lot of difference between the sizes of the 2 men.
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Why should anyone be required to accept an unfavorable (or even an equal) contest with a violent assailant?

Seems like any rational society would insist that the odds be weighted in favor of the victim to the fullest degree possible, regardless of the apparent equality of the starting conditions.
 
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theprestige said:
Why should anyone be required to accept an unfavorable (or even an equal) contest with a violent assailant?

Seems like any rational society would insist that the odds be weighted in favor of the victim to the fullest degree possible, regardless of the apparent equality of the starting conditions.
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They shouldn't, however, the law as constructed only allows the use of deadly force if the victim has a reasonable belief that they are in danger of great bodily harm or death. If this was an average Joe in a similar situation, the police would have arrested the victim, charged him with murder and would almost certainly succeed with a conviction. I cannot see why we should give the police extra self-defense protection. Either everyone gets to use force in this manner or no one should.
 
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They shouldn't, however, the law as constructed only allows the use of deadly force if the victim has a reasonable belief that they are in danger of great bodily harm or death. If this was an average Joe in a similar situation, the police would have arrested the victim, charged him with murder and would almost certainly succeed with a conviction. I cannot see why we should give the police extra self-defense protection. Either everyone gets to use force in this manner or no one should.
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Do you have anything to back that up or just making an assertion? He was attacked while sitting in his car. He wouldn't be arrested in Florida, or anywhere with stand your ground laws. I do not agree that he would have been or should have been arrested, no matter his job.
 
plague311 said:
Do you have anything to back that up or just making an assertion? He was attacked while sitting in his car. He wouldn't be arrested in Florida, or anywhere with stand your ground laws. I do not agree that he would have been or should have been arrested, no matter his job.
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What? George Zimmerman (in Florida) was on his back being pummeled. He was prosecuted and almost got convicted.

Try looking up the actual text of stand your ground laws. You're writing like you have no idea what they actually are. Even states with SYG laws require a person to have a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm to use deadly force.
 
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