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But he will have to live with a life-long target on his back.

I have a feeling he will be smarter about how to live his life form here on out than Zimmerman has been.

I hope he takes the donation money (which hopefully he has been smart with and not blown at the casino or something) take his new wife and child, and move to Alaska under a new name or something.

Live a quiet, obscure life with his family.
 
It's been pointed out repeatedly in this thread that the prosecutor put flawed witnesses from both sides of the story on the stand. It's also been pointed out repeatedly that if he had omitted these witnesses, it would have raised legitimate questions about his impartiality. By bringing all the witnesses to the grand jury, and showing them where the testimony held up and where it didn't, on both sides of the issue, he avoided any serious complaint that he was trying to spin the case one way or the other by omitting certain witnesses.

Yea, even if he had included all the clearly bogus pro-Brown witnesses and excluded Witness 40 to try to say "well hey, she wasn't even there and we knew that, and I wanted to include every anti-Wilson witness no matter how sketchy because I didn't want to be accused of having left any of their voices unheard, while I felt okay to exclude a sketchy pro-Wilson witness because that wasn't really the camp that was demanding this Grand Jury take place to begin with."

Even if he'd done that, they could have and would have said that he didn't want a pro-Wilson witness who looked bad, but he WANTED pro-Brown witnesses who were obvious liars and looked bad.

There was just no way to win for him here with the people who wanted this to be a racial incident and wanted to see Wilson beheaded in the town square for it. They won't even change their minds now that the openly anti-white Eric Holder has declared the Grand Jury's findings to be legally correct by coming to the same conclusion.
 
It's been pointed out repeatedly in this thread that the prosecutor put flawed witnesses from both sides of the story on the stand. It's also been pointed out repeatedly that if he had omitted these witnesses, it would have raised legitimate questions about his impartiality. By bringing all the witnesses to the grand jury, and showing them where the testimony held up and where it didn't, on both sides of the issue, he avoided any serious complaint that he was trying to spin the case one way or the other by omitting certain witnesses.

Look, all witnesses are "flawed". What we're talking about is not a witness. Rather, we are discussing a mentally ill woman who was not at the scene at all. Puting her on the stand was clearly unethical. The end.
 
Look, all witnesses are "flawed". What we're talking about is not a witness. Rather, we are discussing a mentally ill woman who was not at the scene at all. Puting her on the stand was clearly unethical. The end.

Putting this case before the Grand Jury at all was unethical, in light of the fact that McCulloch knew the law and evidence didn't justify doing so. It would have been even more unethical to bring charges and take it to trial, and yet that's what you wish had happened.

Just like Angela Corey and Rick Scott, McCulloch ignored the law and evidence and caved to the desires of the ignorant, bloodthirsty, racist mob.

It is to his credit that he did so in a way he knew wouldn't result in charges, but it's still very much NOT to his credit that he did it at all.
 
So, in other words, nothing.

Okay.

Do you actually have anything to contribute to this thread or are you just trolling? So far you've done absolutely nothing but handwave, make dubious comments, confirm you have no idea what you're talking about, and make open ended ad homs.

What exactly is your goal? At this point, you don't seem to have one, and it's destroying any credibility in regards to this case you ever had.

Look, all witnesses are "flawed".

Care to expand on that?

What we're talking about is not a witness.

Weird, while you complain about this "non-witness" I haven't seen you mention having any qualms at all with the multiple (that's more than 1) pro-Brown witnesses that admitted to blatantly lying about their stories to the media when brought before the Grand Jury. They stated they didn't see anything, they were repeating what they heard in the neighborhood, or they only saw a small fraction of what happened, when confronted. Why is that? It's almost like you have a bias and you need to constantly reassure yourself that your bias is rational. Odd, that.

Rather, we are discussing a mentally ill woman who was not at the scene at all. Puting her on the stand was clearly unethical. The end.

So when it's a pro-Wilson witness, she's mentally ill, and she wasn't there, and it was unethical. Yet, here we are, still without you saying a thing about the Brown witnesses.

Keeping digging that hole.
 
Care to expand on that?

Witness testimony is well known to be poor. We've known that for quite some time.

Weird, while you complain about this "non-witness" I haven't seen you mention having any qualms at all with the multiple (that's more than 1) pro-Brown witnesses that admitted to blatantly lying about their stories to the media when brought before the Grand Jury. They stated they didn't see anything, they were repeating what they heard in the neighborhood, or they only saw a small fraction of what happened, when confronted. Why is that? It's almost like you have a bias and you need to constantly reassure yourself that your bias is rational. Odd, that.

The point is, this person was simply not a witness at all. She wasn't there. She wasn't listening. She simply repeated what she had read after events had already occured. That's not a witness. Even giving that witnesses' memories are flawed, she's not a witness at all. Now please stop humiliating yourself.

It's quite remarkable how far you'll go to co-sign brazen corruption.

ETA: Wait, are you seriously trying to argue that this is okay, since the prosecutors argued unethically on both sides!?
 
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Look, all witnesses are "flawed". What we're talking about is not a witness. Rather, we are discussing a mentally ill woman who was not at the scene at all. Puting her on the stand was clearly unethical. The end.

What are you complaining about? She was pro-Brown.
 
Witness testimony is well known to be poor. We've known that for quite some time.

That doesn't mean it's always incorrect or useless. There are more than 2 options. While it can be poor, sometimes it can lead to an arrest.

The point is, this person was simply not a witness at all.

Yet, she made a valiant attempt to be vocal in the media to try and persuade public opinion. Hence, she needed to be proven wrong in front of the Grand Jury to give the full story. You know, the exact same way the Brown supporters did with the media. They lied to make their "side" look innocent and victimized.

She wasn't there. She wasn't listening. She simply repeated what she had read after events had already occured. That's not a witness. Even giving that witnesses' memories are flawed, she's not a witness at all. Now please stop humiliating yourself.

:jaw-dropp Where did those goalposts go? Whether she was there or not, no one is giving her testimony credence. Care to guess why? Because the prosecutor made it clear to the Grand Jury that she was full of ****.

Now, let's take your criteria and put it against the pro-Brown witnesses. What's seriously pathetic is that they WERE there, some even saw parts of the event, and instead of giving honest statements to the press, they lied. They consciously made the decision to make up a fake tale of the events, all to make Wilson look as if he committed a crime. They repeated stories that were told around the neighborhood after the events had taken place. Sound familiar? Yeah, it's the same exact thing you said about this lady. If you want evidence, you should do something you've failed to do up to this point, and read the transcripts from the Grand Jury. The pro-Brown witnesses say it, they admit to it. It's not something that can be contested.

Again, you conveniently ignore the truth to rationalize your confirmation bias. Double thumbs up!

It's quite remarkable how far you'll go to co-sign brazen corruption.

CAN YOU HEAR ME ON YOUR HIGH HORSE? MUMBLES? CAN YOU HEAR ME? Please.

ETA: Wait, are you seriously trying to argue that this is okay, since the prosecutors argued unethically on both sides!?

No, I'm saying that the prosecutor was justified in showing that both sides lied to the media in order to give themselves a better image. She had a job to do, and that was to present the information to the Grand Jury in it's entirety so that people wouldn't cry foul. Low and behold, for some people it's still not good enough.
 
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That doesn't mean it's always incorrect or useless. There are more than 2 options. While it can be poor, sometimes it can lead to an arrest.

...And? That doesn't change the fact that eyewitness testimony is unreliable.

Yet, she made a valiant attempt to be vocal in the media to try and persuade public opinion. Hence, she needed to be proven wrong in front of the Grand Jury to give the full story. You know, the exact same way the Brown supporters did with the media. They lied to make their "side" look innocent and victimized.

And thus, they should not have been put on the stand. For that matter, you could make the claim that the woman we're discussing was so mentally ill that she believed her own story, and thus was not lying.

:jaw-dropp Where did those goalposts go? Whether she was there or not, no one is giving her testimony credence. Care to guess why? Because the prosecutor made it clear to the Grand Jury that she was full of ****.

Um...putting her on the stand and having her testify, is giving her credibility. It should not have happened, at all.

CAN YOU HEAR ME ON YOUR HIGH HORSE? MUMBLES? CAN YOU HEAR ME? Please.

Um, if you don't want to be treated like a guy who is okay with unethical behavior, then don't support unethical behavior.
 
...And? That doesn't change the fact that eyewitness testimony is unreliable.

It can be unreliable, yes. So you're partially right.

And thus, they should not have been put on the stand. For that matter, you could make the claim that the woman we're discussing was so mentally ill that she believed her own story, and thus was not lying.

Your point is completely moot. It doesn't matter if she believed herself or if she thought she wasn't lying. The point was so the Grand Jury knew she was lying. Maybe you've been understanding that incorrectly this whole time?

Um...putting her on the stand and having her testify, is giving her credibility. It should not have happened, at all.

No, it's not. You can't see through that? The point was to destroy her credibility because she had gotten some face time.

Um, if you don't want to be treated like a guy who is okay with unethical behavior, then don't support unethical behavior.

Duly noted :rolleyes:
 
Your point is completely moot. It doesn't matter if she believed herself or if she thought she wasn't lying. The point was so the Grand Jury knew she was lying. Maybe you've been understanding that incorrectly this whole time?

Here's the problem, though - you aren't in a position to say that. The Grand Jury deliberations are still secret. Neither of us knows what they were thinking, or discussing. Juries have certainly dropped the ball before. As it stands now, Darren Wilson's free but tainted, in that many people consider him to be a murderer.

I view this as unfair to Wilson. In my view, again, he deserves a public trial, not as punishment, but rather so that he can put forth the best defense for shooting Mike Brown. Again, the shooting could have been justified, but having a corrupt prosecutor does not really help him.
 
Here's the problem, though - you aren't in a position to say that. The Grand Jury deliberations are still secret. Neither of us knows what they were thinking, or discussing. Juries have certainly dropped the ball before. As it stands now, Darren Wilson's free but tainted, in that many people consider him to be a murderer.

I view this as unfair to Wilson. In my view, again, he deserves a public trial, not as punishment, but rather so that he can put forth the best defense for shooting Mike Brown. Again, the shooting could have been justified, but having a corrupt prosecutor does not really help him.

Again, a jury and the FBI found him to not have committed a crime. Your implication that they should have skipped the Grand Jury process, so that Wilson is required to defend himself against a crime that hasn't taken place, is completely stupid. There is no reason behind it. He doesn't "deserve" to have one, and you keep using that word incorrectly. He isn't "required" to have a public trial because no crime was committed.

If that's the case, then I demand that you have to defend yourself against insert_crime_here. Right? I guess we should be able to just do that.
 
The Apostles just don't know when to give up: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2015/01/four_ferguson_activists_are_asking_a_judge_for_help_kicking_mcculloch_out_of_office.php

My favorite part:

In this lawsuit, activists say McCulloch acted in bad faith during the grand jury by:

- letting Wilson testify when most defendants don't testify to grand juries

True - most defendants don't testify in front of the grand jury. But had these idiots consulted me, or anyone else who has ever served on a grand jury in St. Louis County, we could have told them that defendants always have the right to appear and testify. The fact that few do (for good reason) is irrelevant.

Thanks Warriors! For keeping us entertained. :)
 
The Apostles just don't know when to give up: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2015/01/four_ferguson_activists_are_asking_a_judge_for_help_kicking_mcculloch_out_of_office.php

My favorite part:

True - most defendants don't testify in front of the grand jury. But had these idiots consulted me, or anyone else who has ever served on a grand jury in St. Louis County, we could have told them that defendants always have the right to appear and testify. The fact that few do (for good reason) is irrelevant.

Thanks Warriors! For keeping us entertained. :)

That is good stuff. I don't mind if they do stuff like this as long as they don't get dangerous or violent when the outcome isn't what they expect it to be.
 
The Apostles just don't know when to give up: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2015/01/four_ferguson_activists_are_asking_a_judge_for_help_kicking_mcculloch_out_of_office.php

My favorite part:



True - most defendants don't testify in front of the grand jury. But had these idiots consulted me, or anyone else who has ever served on a grand jury in St. Louis County, we could have told them that defendants always have the right to appear and testify. The fact that few do (for good reason) is irrelevant.

Thanks Warriors! For keeping us entertained. :)

Perhaps a less patronizing tone might help some folks take your posts more seriously.
 
Perhaps a less patronizing tone might help some folks take your posts more seriously.
I look forward to Scuts informed and researched posts.

Being a local, he (please, please, please be a he, Scrut!) has a better understanding of the community buzz, as do the other SL posters, that brings an insight that out of towners usually lack. His claim, which I really have no reason to doubt, of serving on a Grand Jury in the past is invaluable in this particular post.

If you haven't noticed, his posting style is what it is. I enjoy it even when I don't agree with him.

As for the people trying to keep this settled case going, they really need to get on with their lives and find something worthy of their efforts. Backing Michael Brown, holding him up as some kind of hero or martyr is sickening to me.
 
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