The stupid explodes: obesity now a disability

isissxn said:
Oh, okay. Now I'm pretty sure this is all a joke after all.

Good one, OP.:rolleyes:
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Your eye roll is misplaced.
You entirely missed the point: one can step in and stop a child being beaten. it is not so easy, or simple, to stop a child being fed to death
 
kerikiwi said:
Your eye roll is misplaced.
You entirely missed the point: one can step in and stop a child being beaten. it is not so easy, or simple, to stop a child being fed to death
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No, not misplaced, I'm just bad at joking. Taken alone (that's why I highlighted it) that statement is hilariously ironic.
 
Walter Ego said:
Is that a disability for you? Can you reach the top shelf? ;)


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Sometimes I need a big man to help me. :D

Perhaps I could qualify for a stipend to hire one to take around with me. Like a service animal. That might be nice. :p


Great song, by the way.
 
isissxn said:
A person has to stay healthy too. You're advocating plain old starvation. Ask some doctors how well that works.
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Should we ask the doctors who perform bariatric surgeries?

Web MD says: "On average, people lose 61% of their extra weight after gastric bypass surgery. Other surgeries, such as gastric banding, take off about 47% of extra weight, on average."
http://www.webmd.com/diet/weight-loss-surgery/what-to-expect-after-weight-loss-surgery

I don't know if you'd call it "plain old starvation," but those results rely primarily on calorie restriction.
 
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Minoosh said:
I find it easier to eat a pint of Ben n' Jerry's than to walk 12 miles at a brisk pace. I may not be the only one, either.
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False dichotomy. It's actually less work to just sit on the couch and not even eat the ice cream.
 
marplots said:
False dichotomy. It's actually less work to just sit on the couch and not even eat the ice cream.
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Only if you measure work as physical exertion. If you take into account the resistance to mental/psychological desire and physical craving, eating the ice cream is not only the easiest answer, it's the only answer available to many.
 
kerikiwi said:
'Simple' and 'easy' are not synonyms.
Something can be very, very simple, but not at all easy.
It is very, very simple to roll a rock uphill, but not at all easy.
Losing weight is a very simple undertaking: consume fewer kilojoules than you expend.
It may not be easy, but it is that simple.
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Perfect.

It is that simple. Any argument to the contrary is simply irrational.
 
qayak said:
Only if you measure work as physical exertion. If you take into account the resistance to mental/psychological desire and physical craving, eating the ice cream is not only the easiest answer, it's the only answer available to many.
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This is true. The problem is it's so broadly true it doesn't help. When I arise in the morning, I am driven from my bed by certain incentives and perceived painful consequences, although I would prefer to remain in my bed.

Life is full of just such choices and the matter is too subjective to have a catch-all solution on the psychology front. Which is why biology, not psychology, is a better approach.
 
qayak said:
Only if you measure work as physical exertion. If you take into account the resistance to mental/psychological desire and physical craving, eating the ice cream is not only the easiest answer, it's the only answer available to many.
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Standing up from being immersed in lounge.
Walking/crawling to fridge/freezer.
Walking back to lounge.
Repetitive shoveling actions and mastication.

Less effort than a half hour walk? Yep.

More effort than sitting on the lounge and ignoring your cravings? Definitely.

"the only answer" is apologetics.
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Shiner said:
Standing up from being immersed in lounge.
Walking/crawling to fridge/freezer.
Walking back to lounge.
Repetitive shoveling actions and mastication.

Less effort than a half hour walk? Yep.

More effort than sitting on the lounge and ignoring your cravings? Definitely.

"the only answer" is apologetics.
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Reams of research show your beliefs to be wrong.

And just so you have an accurate picture, I am male, 5'9" and 150 pounds of twisted steel and sex appeal. I'm not apologizing to you for anything. :D
 
marplots said:
This is true. The problem is it's so broadly true it doesn't help. When I arise in the morning, I am driven from my bed by certain incentives and perceived painful consequences, although I would prefer to remain in my bed.

Life is full of just such choices and the matter is too subjective to have a catch-all solution on the psychology front. Which is why biology, not psychology, is a better approach.
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You can't separate biology and psychology. Our psychology evolved side by side with our biology because it was a combination that worked.
 
qayak said:
Reams of research show your beliefs to be wrong.
:D
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I'd be interested to see some.

Are you talking about the 'demon' of addiction?

I'm well aware of debilitating psychological addictions. Treatment is available for this.

I don't see where the physical (calorie burning) exertion could be greater when doing nothing.

As Marplots said, biology is the issue. Psychology may be a symptom or even a cause, but its a separate issue.
 
Heard an interview with a doctor who was seeing babies who were being given coca cola.

Saw an interview on a Jamie Oliver program with a bloke saying jhe was seeing kids literally coughing up feacees, because of the stuff they are being feed.

You cant stop crap, dim parents.

You need to teach the kids
 
qayak said:
You can't separate biology and psychology. Our psychology evolved side by side with our biology because it was a combination that worked.
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That sounds like a cop out excuse for idiocy and laziness
 
Finally, people willing to be open about their bigotry for the obese. Humanity seems to need someone to revile. It's too bad we can't just marginalize them into their own neighborhoods so we don't have to look at them.

Fat people, the lepers of the 21st century.
 
Gallstones said:
Finally, people willing to be open about their bigotry for the obese. Humanity seems to need someone to revile. It's too bad we can't just marginalize them into their own neighborhoods so we don't have to look at them.

Fat people, the lepers of the 21st century.
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Just not moaning about being misunderstood woyld probably alleviate some misconception.

Also saying every fatty is disabled and none are just lazy doesnt help
 
Gallstones said:
Finally, people willing to be open about their bigotry for the obese. Humanity seems to need someone to revile. It's too bad we can't just marginalize them into their own neighborhoods so we don't have to look at them.

Fat people, the lepers of the 21st century.
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I agree that there is some bigotry here. Even from myself. ;)

How do you feel about drug addicts who steal from people to support their habit?

Should we be sympathetic to their addiction? It's not their fault?

Gluttony is bad, mmmkay? I know not all obese people are the architects of their own destruction, but the majority are.
 
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