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How to Analyze Cryptid Assertions

Resume said:
You were played is one explanation. You seem like a magicians dream



You don't know anything, you assert.
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Ok, let's go down this road. How would someone hoax me? It was a heat signature, extending over the top of trees that topped out at 8 feet and lasted for 15 minutes, in the back woods of northern Minnesota. Please, give me an explanation of how someone would come up with something that fits those details.
 
It would seem to me that being taller than all of the surrounding cover would not be of huge evolutionary benefit if one was trying to be a stealthy ninja of the forest who never gets noticed despite slaying deer, chucking hogs and plinking candy at folks.

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Northern Lights said:
Ok, let's go down this road. How would someone hoax me? It was a heat signature, extending over the top of trees that topped out at 8 feet and lasted for 15 minutes, in the back woods of northern Minnesota. Please, give me an explanation of how someone would come up with something that fits those details.
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I could establish a pathway ahead of time, purchase some helium balloons, heat a black plastic garbage bag, fashion it into footie semblance, and wait for someone to hand you a thermal cam. Hilarity ensues.

That's giving your time and height estimates benefit of the doubt, as I remember your magic shrinking pile of deer bait footie corn.

Of course, you waited until the next day to inspect your sighting site, and as you are as subject to cognitive and memory bias as the rest of human kind, your reconstruction of events is suspect.

ETA: This is just off the top of my head. Think of how much time the folks that might have hoaxed you had to hatch a plan. They too realize how illusionists use human fallibility and biases to advantage. It's only the fooled that think it's not possible to fool them.
 
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dmaker said:
It would seem to me that being taller than all of the surrounding cover would not be of huge evolutionary benefit if one was trying to be a stealthy ninja of the forest who never gets noticed despite slaying deer, chucking hogs and plinking candy at folks.

COFFEE IS FOR KNOWERS!
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Wouldn't a stealthy footie know to crouch below the foliage, use it as defilade?
 
Bigfoots know about and detect in advance all manner of photographic capture and elude it at every turn EXCEPT

1) thermal cameras

2) Roger Patterson's stolen movie camera.

Seems legit.
 
Northern Lights said:
Ok, let's go down this road. How would someone hoax me? It was a heat signature, extending over the top of trees that topped out at 8 feet and lasted for 15 minutes, in the back woods of northern Minnesota. Please, give me an explanation of how someone would come up with something that fits those details.
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Maybe I read the report incorrectly but isn't the only thing you saw was a head?
 
The Shrike said:
Bigfoots know about and detect in advance all manner of photographic capture and elude it at every turn EXCEPT

1) thermal cameras
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...that aren't working properly. Bigfoot knows when a camera isn't recording anything. Bigfoot will even walk right in front of trail cameras when they are malfunctioning.
 
The Shrike said:
Bigfoots know about and detect in advance all manner of photographic capture and elude it at every turn EXCEPT

1) thermal cameras

2) Roger Patterson's stolen movie camera.

Seems legit.
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Yup Roger the thief funny how that gets glossed over
 
Resume said:
I could establish a pathway ahead of time, purchase some helium balloons, heat a black plastic garbage bag, fashion it into footie semblance, and wait for someone to hand you a thermal cam. Hilarity ensues.

That's giving your time and height estimates benefit of the doubt, as I remember your magic shrinking pile of deer bait footie corn.

Of course, you waited until the next day to inspect your sighting site, and as you are as subject to cognitive and memory bias as the rest of human kind, your reconstruction of events is suspect.

ETA: This is just off the top of my head. Think of how much time the folks that might have hoaxed you had to hatch a plan. They too realize how illusionists use human fallibility and biases to advantage. It's only the fooled that think it's not possible to fool them.
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That, my friend, is freaking hysterical. "Hey bubba, let's hoax some bigfooters this weekend. I'll drive into Cloquet, get a mess of helium balloons, while you get the plastic bags, hair dryer, and three mile extension cord. We'll have a good ol' time."

Cervelo said:
Maybe I read the report incorrectly but isn't the only thing you saw was a head?
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Yes, that is correct.
 
Northern Lights said:
That, my friend, is freaking hysterical. "Hey bubba, let's hoax some bigfooters this weekend.
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The hoaxer would be most likely affiliated with your group. Again, you seem quite easy to fool; the person who handed you the thermal camera would be the first one I'd look at. The fact that you find such a idea amusing proves how simple it would be to put one over on you.

I'll drive into Cloquet, get a mess of helium balloons, while you get the plastic bags, hair dryer, and three mile extension cord. We'll have a good ol' time."
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Why in the world would you need a hair dryer to heat anything? A camp stove or even a campfire would do. You really don't get out much, do you?

And lose the three mile into the wilderness thing already: your little adventure took place within spitting distance of: a logging road, a forest service road, a two track, a snowmobile track, a mountain bike trail, a cross-country trail, a bridle path . . . well, you get the idea. Or perhaps not.
 
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Northern Lights said:
That, my friend, is freaking hysterical. "Hey bubba, let's hoax some bigfooters this weekend. I'll drive into Cloquet, get a mess of helium balloons, while you get the plastic bags, hair dryer, and three mile extension cord. We'll have a good ol' time."



Yes, that is correct.
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Does your thermal generate images of this clarity?
 
The Shrike said:
Bigfoots know about and detect in advance all manner of photographic capture and elude it at every turn EXCEPT

1) thermal cameras

2) Roger Patterson's stolen movie camera.

Seems legit.
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Bigfoots confuse me.

They are known to be super elusive, yet when you do catch one on camera like Patterson or Freeman, they move with all the agility of a septuagenarian mall walker.

Bigfoots are extremely shy of human contact, except of course when bigfoot “researchers” head into the field looking for them. Then they’re prone to visiting campfires at night, tossing random items into campsites, snapping full grown trees in half as warning displays, etc.

I think we can actually write off the idea that they can detect cameras now though, what with all the imagery floating around. It’s actually much more sophisticated than that. They can actually detect cameras with malfunctioning auto-focus mechanisms and FLIRs with faulty record buttons.
 
William Parcher said:
...that aren't working properly. Bigfoot knows when a camera isn't recording anything. Bigfoot will even walk right in front of trail cameras when they are malfunctioning.
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Bigfoot also knows that if he does get caught on a game-cam, he simply needs to pull the camera down, and remove the SD card.

This is fairly common in areas where Bigfooters have Bigfoot activity ongoing.
 
Northern Lights said:
No, the thermal I was using was really old and the quality was quite poor. I would say it's probably ten years old, maybe more.
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To what degree of clarity was seen of a head shaped thermal image 8' off the ground?

I would suggest that without (or even with) a clear image it's very hard to judge a objects postion relative to the ground on a thermal image as well as size.
The human eye and mind work together to play some really cool tricks on our perception and the brain has a fantastically nasty habit of filling in the blanks without your knowlege and make some pretty big mistakes.
Those poor little people!!

I would suggest that while out footing much like hunting everything one hears and sees is their quarry.
Three out of these four are the most likley candidates for your head size thermal hit and could have easily been in trees or on the ground while still giving you the illusion that their off the ground.

Remember the Brown thermal image that was a classic case of filling in the blanks as to the postion of the subject. The only positive thing is it was behind the tree branch....without a range finder I'm not aware of any way to nail down a distance of an object on most thermal images.


Of course if you get an image of Bigfoot walking out the front door of your house BINGO! Then you've got a known to measure from. But filming in a forest is kinda like staring into a night sky and trying to estimate the size and distance of something....impossible without already knowing what your looking at or having some way of measuring distance to the object that I'm aware of.
You guys were out in "Bigfoot Territory" and heard all the classic bigfoot sounds and most likley saw a very common creature and then filled in the rest...so to speak IMHO.
 
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Cervelo said:
Of course if you get an image of Bigfoot walking out the front door of your house BINGO! Then you've got a known to measure from. But filming in a forest is kinda like staring into a night sky and trying to estimate the size and distance of something....impossible without already knowing what your looking at or having some way of measuring distance to the object that I'm aware of.
You guys were out in "Bigfoot Territory" and heard all the classic bigfoot sounds and most likley saw a very common creature and then filled in the rest...so to speak IMHO.
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In his original version, NL was quite certain as to the height of the creature he saw through the low-resolution viewfinder of the handed off thermal camera because he went and investigated the area the next day. He very likely saw another human being, and as you suggest, turned it into his preferred quarry, letting good ole cognitive, memory and confirming biases do their job.

He of course insists he couldn't be wrong about any of the timeline, distances or height guesses measurements. If the incident happened at all, I think he misjudged all of the above, and perhaps the playfulness of his fellow enthusiasts.
 
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