Parse as you please.
And btw your contributions here are representative of the vacuous claims of the Amandites.
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Continuation Part 11: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito
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Parse as you please.
And btw your contributions here are representative of the vacuous claims of the Amandites.
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explaining the data
I was not putting forth a hypothesis, merely correcting one of Vibio's errors. I agree that there are more than one possible explanations.
Kevin_Lowe,
I was not putting forth a hypothesis, merely correcting one of Vibio's errors. I agree that there are more than one possible explanations.
Bribery and abuse of power? Sorry, but I know both countries. The difference with the US is that it's corruption is institutionalized. Things that are legal in the US from it's billion dollar political campaigns to it's all powerful lobby groups would be illegal and called corruption anywhere else.
And you can't tell me that a country that has one adult in 31 under “correctional” supervision is anything other than a fascist state.
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This is a huge FAILING in your posting, a person can have problems in areas and still comment about problems that another has.
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Yes, Vibio! Bribery and abuse of power! Conservatively, four out of every ten Italians thinks it is a constituent part of the judiciary there - Italians, not Americans passing comment on their own country.
I don't see much difference between Italians confidence in the judicial system and that of Americans or most of Europe for that matter.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/178757/confidence-judicial-systems-varies-worldwide.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/171992/americans-losing-confidence-branches-gov.aspx
Although since 1 in 31 Americans is under “correctional” supervision... I wonder if they even get to partake in these polls.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/178757/confidence-judicial-systems-varies-worldwide.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/171992/americans-losing-confidence-branches-gov.aspx
Although since 1 in 31 Americans is under “correctional” supervision... I wonder if they even get to partake in these polls.
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If Amandites are making vacuous claims, real claims are right now being made on PMF.
Guede, in other court cases, has also been found guilty both of handling stolen goods, and breaking into Brocchi's office.
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the latest report is that he has been convicted for the theft of the cook's knife from the Milan nursery. He had it in his bag which is sufficient dishonest appropriation and I have no doubt he intended to keep it.
Those claims are verbatim from the last hour.
Are you not concerned by the fact that despite Guede being connected to the blood of the victim, and his dna being found in the victim, it is Amanda who is being connected to the knife and break in elements of the Kercher murder.
Is there any surprise there are "Amandites"?
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It's ironic one had to go to PMF to restore this thread from a tit-for-tat.....
The problem with the term "Amandaites" is that it masks that this (right now anyway) is more immediately about Raffaele Sollecito. It is also about the Kerchers. As in that YouTube video I posted upthread, the documentary ends with Edda Mellas (following the devastation of the 2009 conviction) conceding that at least Amanda (back in 2009) got a second chance through appeal, whereas the Kerchers' never would. They've never forgotten the primary victim here, even as they've spent 7 years on advocating for the innocence of their daughter and Raffaele.
This is also about Edda and Curt who were targetted in a predatory prosecution by Mignini over defamation. I wish Vibio would comment on the appropriateness of Mignini charging Edda and Curt with defamation, when John Follain and The Telegraph were spared.
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Do you see how you misrepresent? I write about bribery and corruption in Italy which minimally four out of every ten Italians believe is rife in the judiciary. You respond with a post about Americans' lack of confidence in theirs! Then you say that you "don't see much difference"!
A lack of confidence in one is not the same as widespread allegations of bribery, corruption and abuse of power in the other. Do you see that now?
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With these posts regarding the number of persons in US prisons Vibio is attempting to distract and divert the topic of the thread. We need to recognize that and resist getting trapped in the diversion.
The US certainly has a number of problems with the administration of justice. That could be the topic of a different thread. The errors or injustices of one country do not justify those of another; to maintain that they do is a logical fallacy.
Hypotheses are not statements of fact, but proposals to be examined. As Vibio almost seems to understand, my hypothesis about Italians generally keeping lawyers on retainer, in contrast to foreigners in Italy, was meant as a satirical comment on the fact that Amanda's Italian flat-mates did hire lawyers after the discovery of Meredith's body. Amanda did not; she was not aware of the apparent danger from authorities in Italy of not doing so in such a serious case.
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The thing is that if Rudy thought there was any possibility he left his sperm at the scene before Meredith came home, he could have made that claim himself. The apparent truth is that Rudy totally raped Meredith while she was dying and in that act seeing all that blood he can't think of an alternative so he instead denies even the fact that he left sperm.
That pillow case still exists in the evidence locker. If this case goes to another trial, that stain is going to be tested. Once it is proven that Rudy left sperm right where his penis would be if he were raping Meredith as she lay dying with her pelvis propped up on the pillow that he put there with his own bloody hand, it will be too late for alternative stories. Rudy Herman Guede will be forever known as raper of the dead.
Now, if Rudy were to come clean with an apology and the whole truth before testing proves that what he said before was a complete pack of lies, I might be able to accept his alternative explanation.
If Rudy has any friends left at this point, they should talk to him. Once the evidence is processed, Rudy is going to have a whole new set of necrophiliac friends. and won't have time for his old buddies.
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Thank you for bringing this back to the topic at hand.
It is my opinion, not shared by many, that Filomena Romanelli saved herself a truckload of trouble by lawyering up, even before (I believe) the grisly discovery in Meredith's room.
As in the Russ Faria case in the USA, it was conceivable in some nearby alternate universe that Mignini could have thrown this at Filomena - and what would make it comparable to the Faria case, would be that Mignini would have just had to have implicated everyone who tried to give Filomena an alibi.
Which sounds an awful lot like what happened to Raffaele. Mignini showed a willingness to throw the book at those who supported Amanda as well- charging her parents with defamation, and notoriously failing to similarly charge the author (Follain) or the publisher (The Telegraph) of that alleged defamation.
Added to all this was the way Knox was vilified and sluttified for the slightest thing - whereas no one criticizes (nor should they) Filomena for thinking about where she was going to live and so hired a lawer to deal with future rent/damage-issues at the cottage; rather than stay at home crying about the murder of her friend. Do you think Filomena was "cold" for doing that? I don't.
This case is fraught with double standards - what made it easy to swallow those double standards was the sluttification of Amanda Knox; to the point where in 2014, posters to obscure websites can use the term "Amandaites" or "Knoxians" as if the focus was/should be still on her, rather than the injustice manufactured against both her and Raffaele, as well as Knox's parents (defamation charge).
Just like the Russ Faria case the focus is on one person and the threats are against everyone else. In the Faria case, the four friends he was with on the night of his wife's murder were subtly implicated - in the prosecution's closing statement! One of those friends is in debate with one of the prosecutors on another obscure website, just to add more of a surreal atmosphere to that one! (And another prosecutor was sleeping with the lead detective in the case......)
Italy has not cornered the market on these predatory prosecutions. However, there is an Achilles Heel in Italy; it's the impunity granted to police, prosecutors and Scientific Police by the courts.
"If Stefanoni said it, I believe it, that settles it." Judge Massei could have written a one page motivations report in 2010.
"Cassazione made me do it". Judge Nencini also could have written a one page motivations report.
In that climate, it's no wonder everyone in Perugia within earshot of the murder lawyered up, except for Knox and Sollecito. And Sollecito admits in his book what a 20/20-hindsight dolt/idiot he was in not taking the advice of an anonymous female cop, who told him the day before his interrogation, "You'd better get a lawyer."
He thought as he always thought: "Why? What's this got to do with me?"
Boy did he get a surprise!
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As Mach has already explained, in Italy, unless somebody dies, no one is accountable. And we may add, if someone has died, absolutely anyone could be, if they don't lawyer up IMMEDIATELY.
The silliness gets even sillier: her flatmates were interns at a law firm.
Filomena Romanelli is a lawyer.
She's "lawyered up" 24/7...
https://it.linkedin.com/pub/filomena-romanelli/31/838/145
From her Linkedin profile:
Esperienza
Avvocato
Studio legale
maggio 2007 – presente (7 anni 8 mesi)
(Use Goole translate)
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As is well-known to those who have followed this case, Filomena and Laura were law interns when Amanda and Meredith joined them in the flat. After Meredith was murdered and raped, Filomena and Laura retained lawyers. Amanda did not - until, of course, after she was arrested.
ETA: And the important point is that Amanda was interrogated by the police without a lawyer representing her and without being warned of her right to remain silent. These are violations of the European Convention of Human Rights.
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She contacted her boss very smartly. Apart from the murder she was desperately worried about her pot use. She asked Ms Knox to lie for her. Funny all this talk about Ms Knox and drugs and dealers. Romanelli smoked like a chimney, Silenzi downstairs was growing the stuff and Ms Kercher was its custodian!
Silenzi himself, despite an alibi gets a lawyer sorted out in advance of his return to Perugia, gets off the train early to meet him and never goes near the police on his own. Smart man! He understood what the police were capable of.
Everyone else, apart from Ms Knox and Mr Sollecito thought only of their own welfare. Mr Sollecito thought only of Ms Knox and Ms Knox only wanted justice for Ms Kercher - to help the police catch her killer and to meet John Kercher to offer her condolences and "to be kind to him". She paid dearly for her good character.
What do you mean they "retained lawyers"?
They were working in a law firm.
You mean the "hired" lawyers? Oh Really? Who?
BTW: Even Knox found their law firm helpful (from her email):
" First things first though, my roommates both
work for lawyers, and they are going to try to send a request through
on monday to retrieve important documents of ours that are still in
the house. Secondly, we are going to talk to the agency that we used
to find our house and obviously request to move out. It kind of sucks
that we have to pay the next months rent, but the owner has protection
within the contract. "
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Do you have no understanding of satire and humor. . . .A way of trying to defuse tensions.
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