Michael Brown shooting II

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KatieG said:
Another killer spouting "he wouldn't do anything differently"! Why not, you moron? You don't like wearing a Taser because it's uncomfortable? Bet it would have worked better than the gun? You have a clean conscience? You killed someone! Justified or not, you ******* killed another human being! Clean conscience, my ***! Your words and actions show me you should never wear a badge again. But you probably will and the next time you kill an unarmed man, it will be that much easier.

You had other options available to you, that didn't involve killing Michael Brown.

That interview is a softball, steaming pile of crap. :mad:
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Really? Exactly what other options did he have? He had a 6'5", 285lb stoned individual who has already assaulted him and tried to take his gun from him, charging at him at a distance of about 3m. What should he have done? Asked him out on a date?
 
PhantomWolf said:
Really? Exactly what other options did he have? He had a 6'5", 285lb stoned individual who has already assaulted him and tried to take his gun from him, charging at him at a distance of about 3m. What should he have done? Asked him out on a date?
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Michael Brown was 6'4", and weighed 290 pounds. Darrell Wilson is 6'4" and weighs 215. I don't see how that relates. Wilson was in a police cruiser. Wilson had a car and foot. One of his options was move backward or forward and distance himself from Brown.

That's one option. I can think of more.

Oh, a STONED individual. Do you know when it was the last time Brown smoked pot? You do know marijuana can stay in your system for more than 30 days? That you can abstain for a while but then casual smoking can send your levels sky high?
 
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WildCat said:
No cop is going to use a taser when he's alone with a dangerous suspect.

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That is one of the issues. Why did he choose to be alone with a dangerous subject? Was he afraid the dangerous subject was going to get away if he waited for backup? Was he afraid that the dangerous subject would kill somebody else?

Both seem unlikely based on the knowledge Wilson had at the time he got out of the car and proceeded to chase Brown. If Brown chose to stand and fight Wilson was down to one option, if he was going to save himself, he would need to shoot Brown because Brown had already demonstrated at least equal physical capabilities and Wilson couldn't risk allowing Brown to get his gun.

Additionally, if he really believed that Brown and Johnson were such dangerous criminals then how could he have done something that would leave Johnson in a position to attack him from behind? Wilson may not be able to figure out what he might have done differently, but that goes a lot more to why Wilson was not a good cop then that there weren't other options.

It is very doubtful that Wilson's first interaction with Brown and Johnson went the way he claims it did in the face of the Arman video. Wilson had probably created a tense situation by an unnecessarily rude confrontation with Brown and Johnson who didn't react well to it. Then Wilson backs up and goes cowboy. Why didn't he wait for back up at that time? were the suspects running away?

And after his first cowboy move leads to a bad result he goes cowboy again and starts a dangerous single handed chase of the suspect that was probably going to end in his death or the death of a suspect that might be too excited to calm down sufficiently to submit to arrest from a guy he had plenty of reason to be afraid of.
 
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PhantomWolf said:
Really? Exactly what other options did he have? He had a 6'5", 285lb stoned individual who has already assaulted him and tried to take his gun from him, charging at him at a distance of about 3m.
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Only because he chased him nearly 50 meters down the street shooting at him
 
PhantomWolf said:
Really? Exactly what other options did he have? He had a 6'5", 285lb stoned individual who has already assaulted him and tried to take his gun from him, charging at him at a distance of about 3m. What should he have done? Asked him out on a date?
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He could have retreated and waited for backup. It's what cops do when they are out gunned or out classed physically.

I'd sure like to have known a few things about officer Wilson:

  • What martial arts skills does he possess?
  • What is his general self image?
  • What is his theory of self defense?
  • Is he working out, taking steroids?
  • What are his racial attitudes?
  • How aggressive is he?
  • Has he ever been involved in any accusations of brutality?
  • Is he ex military?
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
And yet, somehow they managed to arrest 60 people last night without shooting any of them. Odd, that.
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Isn't it, though? When one officer confronts one man who's big, black, and scary enough to be a "threat", deadly shootings are completely inevitable and there's absolutely no other way things could have happened. But then, when officers are specifically ordered to not shoot, police facing an overwhelmingly large crowd of extremely angry and even violent black people engaging (and having recently engaged) in criminal activity were somehow able to effect dozens of arrests without killing a single person. Shocking and awesome.
 
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KatieG said:
Michael Brown was 6'4", and weighed 290 pounds. Darrell Wilson is 6'4" and weighs 215. I don't see how that relates. Wilson was in a police cruiser. Wilson had a car and foot. One of his options was move backward or forward and distance himself from Brown.

That's one option. I can think of more.
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At the time of the fatal shot Wilson was not in the vehicle, and was away from it. He had a very big guy (autopsy reports 6'5" and 285lb) 3m away charging him. You wanted him to turn and run back to the vehicle that from the maps looks like it was at least 10m behind him all the while praying that a guy that outweighed by 70lb and clearly was willing to kill him didn't catch up with him?

You're totally serious on this?
 
PhantomWolf said:
At the time of the fatal shot Wilson was not in the vehicle, and was away from it. He had a very big guy (autopsy reports 6'5" and 285lb) 3m away charging him. You wanted him to turn and run back to the vehicle that from the maps looks like it was at least 10m behind him all the while praying that a guy that outweighed by 70lb and clearly was willing to kill him didn't catch up with him?

You're totally serious on this?
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Allegedly, according to Wilson, the confrontation began while Wilson was in the car.

Are you totally serious on this?

BTW, you completely ignored the comment about Wilson's size. Not that much difference between them. A gun makes a big man, doesn't it?
 
MG1962 said:
Only because he chased him nearly 50 meters down the street shooting at him
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But that actually never happened. The kind of three shooting events claimed by Wilson are very well-corroborated by witnesses and the placement of the shell casings.

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Not a lot of shell casings scattered between the clusters to indicate Wilson was firing while actively pursuing Brown.
 
Olowkow said:
He could have retreated and waited for backup. It's what cops do when they are out gunned or out classed physically.
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retreated to where? look at where the shell casings and Brown's body is and where the vehicle is.

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152 feet = ~51m. Brown was 9m away when he started back towards Wilson and about 3m away at the time of the fatal shot.

I'd sure like to have known a few things about officer Wilson:

  • What martial arts skills does he possess?
  • What is his general self image?
  • What is his theory of self defense?
  • Is he working out, taking steroids?
  • What are his racial attitudes?
  • How aggressive is he?
  • Has he ever been involved in any accusations of brutality?
  • Is he ex military?
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Absolutely irrelevant when dealing with a guy that outweighs you by 70lb and has already assaulted and tried to murder you.
 
PhantomWolf said:
At the time of the fatal shot Wilson was not in the vehicle, and was away from it. He had a very big guy (autopsy reports 6'5" and 285lb) 3m away charging him. You wanted him to turn and run back to the vehicle that from the maps looks like it was at least 10m behind him all the while praying that a guy that outweighed by 70lb and clearly was willing to kill him didn't catch up with him?

You're totally serious on this?
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Yes I am - He had back up coming. By his own statement he recognized the area he was in was dangerous and very anti police. The office,from his own testimony said he had hit Brown at least twice before Brown started to move back towards him. A good blast of mace as Brown charged would have dropped hin like a stone
 
KatieG said:
Allegedly, according to Wilson, the confrontation began while Wilson was in the car.

Are you totally serious on this?

BTW, you completely ignored the comment about Wilson's size. Not that much difference between them. A gun makes a big man, doesn't it?
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30 kg not that much? What planet do you live on, that's about half a person difference.

And yes it did start in the car, are you suggesting that Police officers should run away from suspects instead of attempting to arrest them? Should criminals rule the roost because cops aren't allowed to purse them now?
 
Checkmite said:
Isn't it, though? When one officer confronts one man who's big, black, and scary enough to be a "threat", deadly shootings are completely inevitable and there's absolutely no other way things could have happened. But then, when officers are specifically ordered to not shoot, police facing an overwhelmingly large crowd of extremely angry and even violent black people engaging (and having recently engaged) in criminal activity were somehow able to effect dozens of arrests without killing a single person. Shocking and awesome.
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How many of those people assaulted police officers, tried to take their guns, and a short while later charged towards threatening manner?
 
Cylinder said:
Not a lot of shell casings scattered between the clusters to indicate Wilson was firing while actively pursuing Brown.
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Well take it up with Wilson because an interview on CBS he said he shot at him as he chased him, but could not tell if he hit him
 
PhantomWolf said:
Should criminals rule the roost because cops aren't allowed to purse them now?
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So then you are against police officers terminating car chases because of safety issues. Maybe the police should not pussy foot with the protesters, just blast away till they are all dead and no longer a threat.
 
PhantomWolf said:
30 kg not that much? What planet do you live on, that's about half a person difference.

And yes it did start in the car, are you suggesting that Police officers should run away from suspects instead of attempting to arrest them? Should criminals rule the roost because cops aren't allowed to purse them now?
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Police fighting over a weapon while in their cruiser should stop fighting back, reach for the keys, start the engine, check the mirrors, toot the horn, use their turn signal, and pull away smartly.
 
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