Michael Brown shooting II

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Cl1mh4224rd said:
Now lawfully punishable by summary execution, it seems...
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At what point in an violent encounter is the victim expected to wait for further injury before acting in defense?

Here's my rule of thumb handed down to me: If they attack me or someone else, haven't shot me or someone else, immediately start running away and show all indication of running away until they reach water, they're not a threat.

If they attack and show any sign of continuing the festivities, it's time to act, with whatever level of force is appropriate given the conditions.
 
plague311 said:
No one should relish in a victory that results in good people losing their cars, or businesses. It's deplorable and should be condemned.
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Wait, what? Because some people lost their tempers and started destroying things, we can't be happy that justice was served?

As if it's the Grand Jury's fault that there's rioting in Ferguson?
 
Upchurch said:
Of course I understand that.

Others are telling me that I shouldn't look for myself because the grand jury has done the looking and deciding for us. Apparently, questioning arguments from authority is not what true skeptics do.
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No, others are suggesting the Grand Jury was given the best evidence available, and if you are looking for something more factual, it is unlikely you will find it...

I'm not saying the Grand Jury came to the right decision, or that it shouldn't be questioned, I'm just asking how you thing the available information can be improved upon, to the extent that you feel you have better/more facts than the Grand Jury did?

It already appears they had access to witnesses who were justifiably concerned about going public; while the media opportunists seem to have not been so accurate in their public testimony...
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
It's amazing to see the talking heads on CNN looking for anything and everything to blame.

Blame the timing of the announcement... blame the cops, blame the national guard, blame the DA, blame the mayor, blame whoever...

Just never, ever EVER even consider coming within 50,000 leagues of blaming those who actually deserve the blame: the rioters and looters themselves.
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It just so happens that I was watching CNN at the time of the verdict and for a few hours during the aftermath, and I never once witnessed any of the correspondents or anchors blaming anyone for looting but looters.
 
[Ed: Link is NSFW in that it contains photocopy image of a journal entry containing a racial epithet. The word has been edited by me in the quoted portion below.]

So W40's journal entry exhibit [NSFW] is pretty freaking bizarre.

Aug 9th - Saturday
8AM
Well Im gonna take my random drive to Florisant. Need to understand the Black race better so I stop calling Blacks ******* and start calling them People. Like dad always said you cant fear or hate an entire race cause of what one man did 40 years ago.​


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The next entry describes the shooting pretty exactly tracking Wilson's narrative -- fight at the car with Brown as he aggressor, Brown charging back head down, etc...

The first entry just sounds like a shot at McCulloch but if this thing was a journal presumably it was written contemporaneously, thus before the writer would have any motive/knowledge, etc...

Was this W40's narrative all-along?
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
It's amazing to see the talking heads on CNN looking for anything and everything to blame.

Blame the timing of the announcement...
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I haven't been following CNN's coverage, but one of the opinion pieces I read on their website didn't blame the timing, but certainly criticized it.

Who schedules an announcement that they know will likely lead to violence for after sunset, making it significantly more difficult for law enforcement to do their job? I've said it before, but it seems that every decision made by officials involved has exacerbated the situation, not calmed it.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
Who schedules an announcement that they know will likely lead to violence for after sunset, making it significantly more difficult for law enforcement to do their job? I've said it before, but it seems that every decision made by officials involved has exacerbated the situation, not calmed it.
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There was a not only legitimate reason, but a reason I'm profoundly thankful for. From the other thread:
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Most families are home by 8:30 PM. The schools were empty. Rush hour was over. There were far fewer people out on the streets, especially knowing that the verdict was going to be announced.

Had the announcement happened at, say, 3:00 PM, there would have been a rather massive protest between me and where I would need to go to get my daughter.

This was the smartest decision they made and they did for people's safety.
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ETA: I will defend that decision all day long. They did the right thing.
 
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It's pretty clear to me that the authorities here are going to be criticized no matter what they do.

Release all the information and appease the mob by going before the grand jury with it when it didn't merit even that? You'll get criticized for that.

If they hadn't done it, they'd have been criticized for the DA not doing anything and not releasing the info...

If it had been announced at 9am and traffic and business had been hampered during the daylight hours, they'd have been criticized for that.

They can do no right in the eyes of those who decided their entire spectrum of feelings and opinions on this case the moment they first heard about it and heard the races involved.
 
Now we have somebody who is saying in essence "Even if Wilson had executed Brown, he was totally justified".
This case is bringing out the extremes on both sides.
 
dudalb said:
Now we have somebody who is saying in essence "Even if Wilson had executed Brown, he was totally justified".
This case is bringing out the extremes on both sides.
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Tribalism, the curse of humanity.

Divisive identity politics should have no place in the American melting pot.
 
Upchurch said:
There was a not only legitimate reason, but a reason I'm profoundly thankful for. From the other thread:
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ETA: I will defend that decision all day long. They did the right thing.
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I'm asking in all seriousness, what about an announcement at say 8a.m.? As others have suggested, seems to me that the worst of the trouble makers would probably be asleep, the protests would have begun in daylight with less drunk people and with most people still at work or school.
 
So ABC News [Stephanopoulos] did an hour-long sit-down interview with Darren Wilson today - excerpts of which will air in a bit on World News Tonight It streams from abcnews.com. I expect the bulk of the interview will be aired on Nightline later tonight.
 
Giz said:
Tribalism, the curse of humanity.

Divisive identity politics should have no place in the American melting pot.
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Problematically, they cannot be left out. There is no room to form a consistent philosophical space that somehow addresses the African American community without addressing the African American community. At least not one that is intellectually honest.
 
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