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Mexican mass murder

rwguinn said:
Since we (the USA) have to take blame for Mexico failure, do we get credit for Canada success?



Didn't think so. Evil. That's US.
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Ban bacon in the US, and I recon Canada will quickly go the way of Mexico.
 
WildCat said:
I'm pretty sure there's little to no cocaine, heroin, and marijuana production taking place on the other side of Canada.
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Not unless it grows well under the ice. Though there's plenty of cannabis cultivation in Canada.
 
pipelineaudio said:
And yet Canada who is exactly the same thing has none of these problems
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Canada is the exact same thing as Mexico? In what world? There are practically zero similarities.

Canada doesn't have a border with third-world countries; and isn't a conduit for smuggling of anything, except maybe illegal immigrants from the far east. It's a developed nation that does not have a culture of corruption, and is about the least likely place to develop anything resembling massive drug cartels, since it doesn't have a climate conducive to producing cocaine or heroin on anything like a large scale.
 
When Mexico basically moves to the US, when they are offered amnesty, will the US start to become a bit more 3rd world?
 
Remember when the movie "El Mariachi" was edgy and filed under fictional instead of documentary film?

It's kind of a chilling detail that they found other mass graves while searching for the victims of this massacre.
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That is in fact the most horrifying detail of this whole event.
 
Caper said:
When Mexico basically moves to the US, when they are offered amnesty, will the US start to become a bit more 3rd world?
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"...start to become a bit more 3rd world"? I don't know about you, but it's already happened around these parts.

There are already thousands upon thousands of 3rd world gang members living and operating in Southern California, for starters. Ever heard of Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13)?
 
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Doghouse Reilly said:
"...start to become a bit more 3rd world"? I don't know about you, but it's already happened around these parts.

There are already thousands upon thousands of 3rd world gang members living and operating in Southern California, for starters. Ever heard of Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13)?
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And unlike California, the situation in Arizona is even worse, with a bottomless economy, no tax base to pay for the most used services, and no significant major industries left to cushion the blow

In kind of a sick way of looking at it, the livability in southern AZ has improved since the Zetas came, they took out a lot of the troublemakers and for some reason seem to treat the ranchers' properties with some respect
 
Travis said:
I don't see how one follows the other.
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How? If you took any third world nation and just dumped them in a developed situation of course the developed nation would suffer some negative effects.
 
Caper said:
How? If you took any third world nation and just dumped them in a developed situation of course the developed nation would suffer some negative effects.
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You are less than half right. Any population dumped into any established social system will upset the system for a while and then reach a new normal.
 
TragicMonkey said:
If those drugs were legalized in the US the big pharmaceutical companies would start producing them in direct competition. Quality-controlled, legal, legitimate competition. Hell, we could even cheat by legalizing drugs but only those purchased from registered, legitimate corporations with (expensive) licenses and health inspections and FDA oversight. Legalization would wipe out the current drug trade and replace it with something infinitely more boring and safe. There would be just as much money, but it would go to drug lords of a very different and much more socially acceptable nature, the kind who pay dividends to shareholders and taxes instead of bribes, who have corporate skyscrapers instead of party mansions and lawyers instead of assassination squads.
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Or let Mexico have the legitimate portion of the industry. It would do them good and bring them stable legal jobs. If Mexico benefits, we benefit. It's not outsourcing if it started there in the first place. :P
 
Mitchell314 said:
Or let Mexico have the legitimate portion of the industry. It would do them good and bring them stable legal jobs. If Mexico benefits, we benefit. It's not outsourcing if it started there in the first place. :P
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I think you overestimate how much drug production goes on in Mexico. They are mainly in the position they are in because they serve as a smuggling conduit due to their location. If drugs were legalized, most drug production would probably be centered in South America and/or Southeast Asia, which are where most of the agriculture for the raw materials takes place.
 
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Doghouse Reilly said:
I think you overestimate how much drug production goes on in Mexico. They are mainly in the position they are in because they serve as a smuggling conduit due to their location. If drugs were legalized, most drug production would probably be centered in South America and/or Southeast Asia, which are where most of the agriculture for the raw materials takes place.
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Distribution and logistics is still a very major component of an industry. There are plenty of wealthy western companies that sell "made in china" products to the not-china portion of the world. And they do have a lot of folks with experience in that regard . . .
 
Travis said:
Marijuana, yes. I know people that buy plenty of product grown in British Columbia. But Poppies and Coca plants? Not so much. Too cold.
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British Columbia is in Canada. "The other side of Canada" is the polar ice cap.
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
In another thread you said:


Why wouldn't this be even more true for other currently illegal drugs? There can be no doubt that they would be heavily, heavily taxed, so the same incentive would exist to create a tax-free black market, would it not?
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Which is why I'm against them being heavily taxed. Such taxes open the door for many of the same problems we have with Prohibition. Keep it cheap and there's no profit in a black market.

The bootleg cigarette market comes into play because in Chicago a pack of cigarettes is $11-$12, but just over the border in Indiana it's $5.
 
WildCat said:
Which is why I'm against them being heavily taxed. Such taxes open the door for many of the same problems we have with Prohibition. Keep it cheap and there's no profit in a black market.

The bootleg cigarette market comes into play because in Chicago a pack of cigarettes is $11-$12, but just over the border in Indiana it's $5.
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Okay, well I agree with you, then. I was approaching the issue under the (sadly probable) assumption that any drug legalization will follow the general rule that when something once considered "forbidden" is legalized, it is usually done so under a heavy taxation scheme, thereby negating many of the major benefits of legalizing it in the first place.
 
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