Merged The Disturbences in Ferguson Missouri...

[Gallstones]

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony Barbara Tversky, Professor of Psychology and George Fisher, Professor of Law


Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts

This Is Psychology: Eyewitness testimony Dr. Anderson discusses research that has identified a number of reasons why eyewitness testimony is unreliable.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony Barbara Tversky, Professor of Psychology and George Fisher, Professor of Law


Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts

This Is Psychology: Eyewitness testimony Dr. Anderson discusses research that has identified a number of reasons why eyewitness testimony is unreliable.

You can add Elizabeth Loftus and Carol Tavris to the list.

 

[William Parcher]

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony

...Is bigger than that.

A person who accurately views and then accurately recalls the incident to police is technically/legally no different than a person who fabricates their observation because they didn't even see anything.

 

[KatieG]

St. Louis county police instituted a no-fly zone over the Ferguson protests solely to prevent news helicopters from covering the events, recorded conversations obtained by the AP reveal.

http://gawker.com/police-admit-no-fly-zone-over-ferguson-was-intended-to-1653854021

From the comments:

BREAKING: Lying Police Department Admits to More Lying.

 

[fuelair]

Are you suggesting that being a thug is a genetic trait?

Nurture not nature. Living with/used to being around thugs can mean picking up their traits. Note: this is not my fight area. I neither have nor am interested in gaining sufficient evidence to consider the situation proven or not proven. Just noting plausibles.

 

[fuelair]

I'm having trouble parsing this triple negative:

1. It would be unfortunate if there were riots when the cop is indicted?
2. It would be fortunate if there were not riots when the cop is indicted?
3. It would be fortunate if there were riots when the cop is not indicted?

I go for a different choice: it would be nice if there were no riots. Do not like riots, never did, have no problem with rioters being shot. Rioters commit very random damage, they often, if not always, do not destroy anything of any real value to those they are rioting against but do destroy much of the property where they are rioting - their's and that of their friends/relatives...... Rioting does not accomplish jack-feces. It is useless and pointless - though it does provide cover for thieves and robbers to work untroubled for a bit!!

 

[ehcks]

BREAKING: Lying Police Department Admits to More Lying.

How are we sure this isn't itself another lie?

 

[KatieG]

How are we sure this isn't itself another lie?

I was quoting another poster and I have no idea what he/she meant by their comment.

 

[Upchurch]

St. Louis county police instituted a no-fly zone over the Ferguson protests solely to prevent news helicopters from covering the events, recorded conversations obtained by the AP reveal.

http://gawker.com/police-admit-no-fly-zone-over-ferguson-was-intended-to-1653854021

I'm surprised there hasn't been more reaction to this. We're talking about the blatant violation of 1st Amendment rights, clearly meant to hide other county police civil rights violations.

 

[jimbob]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more reaction to this. We're talking about the blatant violation of 1st Amendment rights, clearly meant to hide other county police civil rights violations.

We knew somethinglike this:

Remember the Ferguson McDonald's arrests

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

 

[jimbob]

We knew somethinglike this:

Remember the Ferguson McDonald's arrests

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

Actually, that is worth rereading:

An officer with a large weapon came up to me and said, “Stop recording.”

I said, “Officer, do I not have the right to record you?”

He backed off but told me to hurry up. So I gathered my notebook and pens with one hand while recording him with the other hand.

As I exited, I saw Ryan to my left, having a similar argument with two officers. I recorded him, too, and that angered the officer. As I made my way toward the door, the officers gave me conflicting information.

One instructed me to exit to my left. As I turned left, another officer emerged, blocking my path.

Multiple officers grabbed me. I tried to turn my back to them to assist them in arresting me. I dropped the things from my hands.

“My hands are behind my back,” I said. “I’m not resisting. I’m not resisting.” At which point one officer said: “You’re resisting. Stop resisting.”

That was when I was most afraid — more afraid than of the tear gas and rubber bullets.

As they took me into custody, the officers slammed me into a soda machine, at one point setting off the Coke dispenser. They put plastic cuffs on me, then they led me out the door.

If they behaved like that to a reporter for a news organisation that was famous for bringing down a president, then it doesn't bode well for their treatment of less influential people who annoy them.

 

[Upchurch]

We knew somethinglike this:

Remember the Ferguson McDonald's arrests

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

I didn't forget.

I mean, people want to talk about government tyranny, this is what it looks like.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

It looks like the rotten apple didn't fall too far from the tree. Michael Brown's mother, Lesley McSpadden, was involved in a strong-arm robbery committed against Michael Brown's grandmother and cousin.

http://fox2now.com/2014/11/05/polic...-following-fight-among-michael-browns-family/

FERGUSON, MO (KTVI) – FOX 2 has just obtained the incident report involving a reported assault and robbery first exposed in the Fox Files. Chris Hayes obtained it after a hearing in St. Louis County Court.

It went to Court because Michael Brown`s Mom, Lesley McSpadden, asked police not to release the incident report. The City Attorney for Ferguson, Stephanie Karr, wanted to be sensitive while still following the law. So she took it to Judge Maura McShane who said the report needed to be released, according to the law.
...

The report says Brown`s grandma was ‘repeatedly struck in the back of the head by an unknown subject’ and ‘knocked to the ground.’ The report adds that McSpadden ‘then ran up and punched (grandma).’
...

Lesley McSpadden`s criminal attorney, Lynne Perkins, was also in court when the Judge released the report. He said McSpadden denies assaulting anyone on October 18th and he asked for people to be sensitive to his client, who`s dealing with the loss of her child. Judge McShane also asked for people to be sensitive to a tremendous bubbling of emotions. Lesley McSpadden is trying to send a message of peace and is scheduled to speak to the United Nations later this month in Geneva, Switzerland.


Oh my ...

 

[Upchurch]

Well, that clearly vindicates the county police violating First Amendment rights.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

http://fox2now.com/2014/11/05/polic...-following-fight-among-michael-browns-family/

FERGUSON, MO (KTVI) – FOX 2 has just obtained the incident report involving a reported assault and robbery first exposed in the Fox Files. Chris Hayes obtained it after a hearing in St. Louis County Court.

It went to Court because Michael Brown`s Mom, Lesley McSpadden, asked police not to release the incident report. The City Attorney for Ferguson, Stephanie Karr, wanted to be sensitive while still following the law. So she took it to Judge Maura McShane who said the report needed to be released, according to the law.
...

The report says Brown`s grandma was ‘repeatedly struck in the back of the head by an unknown subject’ and ‘knocked to the ground.’ The report adds that McSpadden ‘then ran up and punched (grandma).’
...

Lesley McSpadden`s criminal attorney, Lynne Perkins, was also in court when the Judge released the report. He said McSpadden denies assaulting anyone on October 18th and he asked for people to be sensitive to his client, who`s dealing with the loss of her child. Judge McShane also asked for people to be sensitive to a tremendous bubbling of emotions. Lesley McSpadden is trying to send a message of peace and is scheduled to speak to the United Nations later this month in Geneva, Switzerland.


Oh my ...

Might help to explain why the Gentle Giant^(tm) turned out they way he did.

 

[plague311]

Well, that clearly vindicates the county police violating First Amendment rights.

I don't believe he was responding to that, as that topic already has it's own thread. Also, he quoted the specific post he was replying too.

 

[jimbob]

I don't believe he was responding to that, as that topic already has it's own thread. Also, he quoted the specific post he was replying too.

But it is pretty irrelevant to why the disturbances happened. "When a felon's not engaged in his employment..." might be the start of a comic song, but is actually true.

I have no doubt that Brown was a criminal. I am unsure if the officer who shot him acted appropriately* but I am certain that the police department were not justified in arresting journalists in the stories listed above. Also the ratios of searches to arrests for different races should give one pause about whether there is a bias against black people in that department.







*given how few shootings there are in the UK, yet violence is moderately common (especially on Friday nights) I would have thought there would have been a better, non-fatal solution as used by UK police.

 

[Cylinder]

It's probably worth noting for those living in the area that this is the weekend that it was kind of reported that a decision was expected to be announced.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

....If they behaved like that to a reporter for a news organisation that was famous for bringing down a president, then it doesn't bode well for their treatment of less influential people who annoy them.

Do you really believe anyone on that police force had a clue about Watergate; or if they did, that they were filtering their actions with such knowledge?

Besides, it's not like the police anywhere, have a reputation for great press relations...

 

[Upchurch]

Feds bring impartial police training to St. Louis departments

The training is designed to enhance officers’ understanding of how bias — including implicit or unconscious bias — affects officer behavior, and the impact that biased policing has on officers and the community. Subsequent sessions focus on educating first-line supervisors and police trainers as a way to integrate these concepts into day-to-day practices, according to a Department of Justice official.