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Terrorism in Canada

smartcooky said:
Oh, I don't have a problem with people having the Freedom of Speech to say what they believe, e.g. to criticise governments. I just don't think that this Freedom ought to protect those who incite others to murder and maim their philosophical opponents.
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The RCAF will make our counter arguments against their head offices, and the police and courts will remind them that saying something is one thing, but there are consequences to actions.
 
smartcooky said:
Oh, I don't have a problem with people having the Freedom of Speech to say what they believe, e.g. to criticise governments. I just don't think that this Freedom ought to protect those who incite others to murder and maim their philosophical opponents.
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I'm sure Canada will be sending some Mounties to Syria on the next available flight to arrest the perps.
 
Horatius said:
Wouldn't be the first time we've sent some to war zones.
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The Mounties have gone to war in the Northwest Rebellion, then again in WWI, WWII, Korea, multiple UN missions, NATO missions to the Balkans, and recently to Afghanistan. They have the experience.
 
Border Reiver said:
The Mounties have gone to war in the Northwest Rebellion, then again in WWI, WWII, Korea, multiple UN missions, NATO missions to the Balkans, and recently to Afghanistan. They have the experience.
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Fascinating. I've never thought of the RCMP as military.

Learn something new etc. etc.
 
Border Reiver said:
The Mounties have gone to war in the Northwest Rebellion, then again in WWI, WWII, Korea, multiple UN missions, NATO missions to the Balkans, and recently to Afghanistan. They have the experience.
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How does this work? The soldiers will defeat the extremists, then the Mounties will arrest such of them as may survive for speech intended to incite violence in Canada?
 
Craig B said:
How does this work? The soldiers will defeat the extremists, then the Mounties will arrest such of them as may survive for speech intended to incite violence in Canada?
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Since the end of the Cold War the RCMP has often gone on NATO and UN sponsored missions, primarily as part of nation building efforts to train local police forces in policing methods, and also in policing ethics and how a police force is generally supposed to work in a free society. And yes, as a federal police force they would be the ones to bring back any accused criminals to be tried in Canada (subject to agreements with the host country, of course).
 
Jim_MDP said:
Fascinating. I've never thought of the RCMP as military.

Learn something new etc. etc.
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Lots of Americans don't realize exactly how serious the RCMP is. You see the guys in red on horses, and think it's quaint.

But picture instead a single force that encompasses your local PD, the State Police, the FBI, the US Marshall Service, the Secret Service, and just a touch of the CIA (although much less CIA since they split off CSIS), and then does all those jobs well, and you have the RCMP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police#Overview



Border Reiver said:
Since the end of the Cold War the RCMP has often gone on NATO and UN sponsored missions, primarily as part of nation building efforts to train local police forces in policing methods, and also in policing ethics and how a police force is generally supposed to work in a free society. And yes, as a federal police force they would be the ones to bring back any accused criminals to be tried in Canada (subject to agreements with the host country, of course).
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This is how Canada does "Badass".
 
Horatius said:
This is how Canada does "Badass".
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http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...y-two-sergeants-at-arms-two-kinds-of-heroism/

What has gone nearly unnoticed are the actions of the unnamed House of Commons Security Guard who attempted to get the rifle away from the criminal when he entered Parliament. He saw the man enter and, even though the Guard was unarmed, grabbed the weapon and shouted "Gun, gun gun!" to alert everyone as to what was going down. Unfortunately, he did not get the weapon away from the criminal and ended up getting shot in the foot. While there is no question as to the bravery of the officers who followed him into the building despite being shot at, or Mr. Vickers, it takes a special kind of stones to do the same without anything more than a sense of duty and probably some harsh language.
 
My thought was... Is a single, and by all acounts loony idiot "terrorism"? Or simply a mentally-disturbed fellow who has seized on Jihadist ideology as a vent for his lunacy?

We have similar musings about the hatchet attack on the NYPD officers. Immediately this was being spoken of as terrorism..... But again to all appearances a lunatic who has seized on the recent anti-police rhetoric coming out of the Brown shooting.

When does "lunatic with a weapon" become "terrorism"?
 
Bikewer said:
My thought was... Is a single, and by all acounts loony idiot "terrorism"? Or simply a mentally-disturbed fellow who has seized on Jihadist ideology as a vent for his lunacy?

We have similar musings about the hatchet attack on the NYPD officers. Immediately this was being spoken of as terrorism..... But again to all appearances a lunatic who has seized on the recent anti-police rhetoric coming out of the Brown shooting.

When does "lunatic with a weapon" become "terrorism"?
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Personally, I classify what happened this week as "criminal activity". While the activity may have been motivated by extremist ideology both incidents do not have any deeper connection than the two perps were loosers who had converted to a new religion, went right to the deep end and did something criminal. As there has been no information provided that would indicate that either person was trying to use terror to achieve any articulated political end, I'm just going to classify them as common criminals who may have been mentally ill, and who drank too much kool-aid (being Canadian, they should have stuck with coffee from the Hortons).
 
Bikewer said:
My thought was... Is a single, and by all acounts loony idiot "terrorism"? Or simply a mentally-disturbed fellow who has seized on Jihadist ideology as a vent for his lunacy?
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They are pretty much the same aren't they?

I mean, anyone who wants to go around flying civilian airliners into buildings and beheading people for publicity has to be some kind of psychopathic froot loop, surely!l
 
Border Reiver said:
Since the end of the Cold War the RCMP has often gone on NATO and UN sponsored missions, primarily as part of nation building efforts to train local police forces in policing methods, and also in policing ethics and how a police force is generally supposed to work in a free society. And yes, as a federal police force they would be the ones to bring back any accused criminals to be tried in Canada (subject to agreements with the host country, of course).
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it, the RCMP is usually a civilian police oranization, but members and/or units can be activated for Military Duty?
 
Border Reiver said:
Personally, I classify what happened this week as "criminal activity". While the activity may have been motivated by extremist ideology both incidents do not have any deeper connection than the two perps were loosers who had converted to a new religion, went right to the deep end and did something criminal.
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I don't buy that line of thinking.

The whole deal with these terrorists is that they implore Muslims all over the world to rise up and attack the infidel in his own home, in his home town and in his own country. So when some gullible Muslim pawn does exactly that, shouting jihadist slogans as he does so, you don't think that is terrorism? Surely, that act is directly traceable back to the terrorist call. The call has had the desired effect!
 
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Border Reiver said:
The Mounties have gone to war in the Northwest Rebellion, then again in WWI, WWII, Korea, multiple UN missions, NATO missions to the Balkans, and recently to Afghanistan. They have the experience.
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Speaking of the Northwest rebellion, Turner Classic movies last week showed the 1940 Cecil B De Mille epic "Northwest Mounted Police".about the Second Riel Rebellion, which manages, in true De Mille historical epic style to get the actual events totally wrong, while being pretty accurate about costumes,props etc.
One big mistake: it was filmed in the Sierras,with most of the action taking place in a dense Pine Forest,whereas the actual revolt took place in Manitoba in pure Prarie country.
 
smartcooky said:
They are pretty much the same aren't they?

I mean, anyone who wants to go around flying civilian airliners into buildings and beheading people for publicity has to be some kind of psychopathic froot loop, surely!l
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But not every kind of psycho undertakes to fly civilian airliners into public buildings. Some of them do other crazy things.
 
dudalb said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it, the RCMP is usually a civilian police oranization, but members and/or units can be activated for Military Duty?
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Nope, they're paramilitary which was strongly stressed in the recruitment seminar I went to. They are most visually involved in civilian policing but, as Horatio pointed out, they wear many hats.
 
Craig B said:
But not every kind of psycho undertakes to fly civilian airliners into public buildings. Some of them do other crazy things.
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Irrelevant.

I'm not arguing that all psychopaths are terrorists, so much as I am arguing that all terrorists are psychopaths!

Psychopathy is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior. It may also be defined as a continuous aspect of personality,

This profile sure fits ISIL and terrorists pretty closely!
 
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