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Terrorism in Canada

LaurelHS said:
I'm a little bit nervous about my city being a possible target. We have military facilities here and lots of military personnel walking around in uniform.
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And, in a spectacular showing of bad foresight, one of the buildings used for the Headquarters of the department of defense is right beside the Rideau center, with plenty of roads beside it and little in the way of security.

I don't think I'm a paranoid type of guy, but wouldn't it have made sense for them to locate such an important building to an area which is a bit more isolated and can be protected a bit easier? (They will be moving much of the defense staff to an area out in the west end of the city eventually...)
 
Segnosaur said:
And, in a spectacular showing of bad foresight, one of the buildings used for the Headquarters of the department of defense is right beside the Rideau center, with plenty of roads beside it and little in the way of security.
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And that's the improved security. They used to have a publicly-accessible road under the building to connect the parkway with Nicholas Street...
 
dudalb said:
Hopefully this will not cause a reaction for Canada to withdraw from the Anti ISIS coalition.
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I doubt it.

Still, anyone that believes that you can go to war without consequences is deluded. Attacking ISIL is reason for any of the disenfranchised young Muslims in our own countries who identify more with the propaganda of extremism than they do with the West, to respond by striking back at those they see as oppressors.
 
PhantomWolf said:
I doubt it.

Still, anyone that believes that you can go to war without consequences is deluded. Attacking ISIL is reason for any of the disenfranchised young Muslims in our own countries who identify more with the propaganda of extremism than they do with the West, to respond by striking back at those they see as oppressors.
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The outrage in Canada is being attributed to recent converts to Islam, who may indeed have been attracted to some species of extremist preaching by the prospect of engaging in violent acts, rather than existing disaffected young Muslims.

I hope, by the way, that the young Muslims in Canada are not "disenfranchised", but that if they oppose Western policies as regards Muslim countries, they have an opportunity to give effect to their opinions within the democratic process.
 
One of the things that the Ottawa Chief of Police did as a result was to send an email to the local leaders of the Muslim community and ask if they felt that in light of recent events if they felt that they needed additional protection.

Somehow, I am hopeful that Canadian democracy won't respond in an over the top manner.
 
After learning some info about the shooter I wonder if this is more a fancy "suicide by cop" then it was a terrorist attack.

The solider he shot was carrying a rifle with no firing pin. It may be that he expected to get shot down then and there, and when he wasn't he rushed the parliament in a suicidal attack.

He's a petty criminal who converted to islam a year ago or something. I don't know, it just doesn't seem like it's any sort of planned or coordinated attack. Obviously he was a very troubled person.

I don't want this to become an excuse to go any further into a police state mentality than we already are.

That being said, I feel for the family of the soldier. A cowardly murder.
 
ronin688 said:
The solider he shot was carrying a rifle with no firing pin. <snip>

That being said, I feel for the family of the soldier. A cowardly murder.
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Soldiers on cermonial duty carry standard service rifles with the firing pin - they are not issued ammunition.
 
dudalb said:
Problem is this "lone nut" was probably inspried by the propaganda of ISIS,so a organised movement might have been responsible.
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Not what I meant of course. I know ISIS has been calling for random killings in the West, which is insane as well as criminal. I mentioned it on an earlier thread. What I meant in this case was that I hoped the murder was not the work of an organised conspiracy involving several persons coordinating their actions.

It goes without saying that even lone nuts can be, and often are, inspired by crazed utterances expounded by gangs of ideological or religious maniacs; but they're still lone nuts, and I hope that's what this criminal was.
 
Oh, the guy acted alone but what is scary is that egging on the "lone wolves" seems to be a deliberate ISIL stragegy.
 
smartcooky said:
And some people on this forum want them to have the freedom of speech to do so. Go figure!
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I'm not sure what you mean. I was not referring to Canadian citizens, calling for the random murder of fellow citizens. That would be easy to deal with, because I suppose Canada has laws forbidding that. But ISIL are an armed body of people in the Middle East. The question here is not whether to grant or withhold freedom of speech - but whether to go to war.
 
Border Reiver said:
Because we don't like it when people try and tell everyone else what they should believe or say.
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Oh, I don't have a problem with people having the Freedom of Speech to say what they believe, e.g. to criticise governments. I just don't think that this Freedom ought to protect those who incite others to murder and maim their philosophical opponents.
 
smartcooky said:
Oh, I don't have a problem with people having the Freedom of Speech to say what they believe, e.g. to criticise governments. I just don't think that this Freedom ought to protect those who incite others to murder and maim their philosophical opponents.
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Who has supported the right to incite violence or murder being protected speech?

(I know there is another thread where people have defended the right to be offensive and cause distress... while saying that free speech should not extend to incitement, slander or stalking/harassment)
 
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