Continuation Part 10: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[RWVBWL]

The blood drop is outside, but was it created by someone/thing that was outside the window? Or could it perhaps have been created by a person reaching outside to close the window?

One other note about the drips on the bedding: it seems to me that the normal way to sample these spots for forensic testing is to cut them out and take the cut outs to the lab (like they did with the knife). Why are the sheets, comforter and sofa all intact, then?

A little luminol downstairs would have been a good idea.

Good points all around, Diocletus.
I had kinda assumed that the cat would have jumped from the cinder block wall up onto the bathroom window ledge, gotten a drop of blood there, then a lot more on the floor below when inside.

The blood on the bathroom floor is too many drops, way too closely spaced together to be from a cat, in my humble opinion, when compared to the other spots around the flat and on the stairs. Someone was freshly cut and bleeding a lot to have left those blood drops, seen here again to show the little drops, medium drops and bigger drops. The drops are only here, they do not form a trail leading out of the bathroom.
There does not appear to be blood anywhere the cat would have had to be to leap up onto the window sill,
such as if it jumped from the top of the toilet, as far as I can see.

It would be nice to watch an uncut video clip of all the rooms in the downstairs flat from Nov. 2, 2007.

Why is there a gap missing of almost 2 hours from the Crime Scene video from when the pot plants are found downstairs until they are back upstairs inside Meredith's flat? What, did the video camera battery run outta juice? Or is there something downstairs below that I, and you, do not need to see, so ILE edited and cut the scenes out?


It's gonna start getting light soon,
I'm grabbing my 600 mm lens, an extender, a Canon 1D mark 4
and heading to the beach shoot surfpix of a bro, the surf is supposed to be pumping again!
See ya!
RW
LAsurfpix.com

 

[Samson]

Gosh Dan O.,
did I piss you off or something?
Maybe I did not see your answer,
and most of the time I'm not online much,
so I asked again? No biggie, ok?


Since you already answered this,
and don't wanna respond again,
can you give me a link to where your post is?

Look man, I respect your input, a lot,
that's why I asked you for info.

I'm curious about Robyn's memory,
heck we know that the English gals could not pin down what time they ate dinner,which mighta helped narrow down the Time of Death issue better.
I wonder, did the gals smoke a spinello that night, get a little forgetful, like Raffaele did on the night of Nov. 5 when he was interrogated by Perugia's finest?

Robyn seemed concerned about Meredith.
She said she called again and again.
Maybe she is not the smart person you mention.
I'm not. I'd call again and again.
How would I know that the phone is not ever going to ring+ring thru-out the day?


Simple question,
no need to be defensive or give me The Stefanoni-like run-around:
Does anyone know how many times Robyn called Meredith's cell phones out of concern for her well being that morning, and if so, do you have the times she called Meredith on Nov. 2, 2007?

RWV
I am glad you have raised this.
I sometimes feel like a lone wolf, no pun intended.
No time the girls cite for this last supper accord with the SCIENCE of gravity and digestion.
Only Machiavelli can argue with fools like me that it must have been before 7 30pm, and therefore:
Because this means she was perambulating dead as she arrived home to find the black Ivorian Coaster on hand to confirm her status, all science is deemed cancelled
I have no interest in sounding melodramatic, but a huge interest in engaging the American public on this issue that is stone cold certain.

 

[Diocletus]

Good points all around, Diocletus.
I had kinda assumed that the cat would have jumped from the cinder block wall up onto the bathroom window ledge, gotten a drop of blood there, then a lot more on the floor below when inside.

The blood on the bathroom floor is too many drops, way too closely spaced together to be from a cat, in my humble opinion, when compared to the other spots around the flat and on the stairs. Someone was freshly cut and bleeding a lot to have left those blood drops, seen here again to show the little drops, medium drops and bigger drops.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=480&pictureid=9209[/qimg]


It would be nice to watch an uncut video clip of all the rooms in the downstairs flat from Nov. 2, 2007.

Why is there a gap missing of almost 2 hours from the Crime Scene video from when the pot plants are found downstairs until they are back upstairs inside Meredith's flat? What, did the video camera battery run outta juice? Or is there something downstairs below that I, and you, do not need to see, so ILE edited and cut the scenes out?

None of the blood is from a cat. The cat wasn't bleeding. The fresh, dark blood is from Rudy's hand and the dilute blood is from kercher.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

As we Texans like to say

Guede's presence on the scene is accepted by all, i guess, but reading guilty actions into the traces he left is not obvious. Anyone who has done the rhetorical exercise of taking and debunking each evidence against Amanda and Raffaele can exonerate Guede before one's first coffee.

I would convict Guede on the bloody handprint if it were the sole piece of evidence. The print is an identity stamp, and the blood is a time stamp. If you can explain why this piece of evidence isn't probative, then please do so. If not, then your argument is all hat and no cattle.

 

[Samson]

Yes, some memorable turns of phrase, if nothing else. By my reasoning, Guede should damn well "jesus all the guilt" if for no better reason than because all of the guilt is his own to jesus.

Reply to you and Lonepinealex:

There is an important piece, a smoking gun that sorts this. But it must be before the ides of march. If Raffaele is captured, it is too late. Everyone knows this.
PMF are uneasy, they know Nencini is fiction in many places.
In my strong opinion, it is a real life gastric emptying experiment in a teaching facility including all reasonable variables, alcohol induction, age, gender, size of meal, ingredients, and s on.
I look forward to being ridiculed for reasons a denial of such a simple proof of
Meredith's latest time of death should not be discovered.

 

[js202]

first, consider the source...

Reply to you and Lonepinealex:

There is an important piece, a smoking gun that sorts this. But it must be before the ides of march. If Raffaele is captured, it is too late. Everyone knows this.
PMF are uneasy, they know Nencini is fiction in many places.
In my strong opinion, it is a real life gastric emptying experiment in a teaching facility including all reasonable variables, alcohol induction, age, gender, size of meal, ingredients, and s on.
I look forward to being ridiculed for reasons a denial of such a simple proof of
Meredith's latest time of death should not be discovered.

You may expect ridicule in a post from Machiavelli, beginning 3, 2, 1... But given that this will be coherent and convincing only to those of his own peculiarly esoteric tribe, no need to worry too much.

 

[Wattson]

I would convict Guede on the bloody handprint if it were the sole piece of evidence. The print is an identity stamp, and the blood is a time stamp. If you can explain why this piece of evidence isn't probative, then please do so. If not, then your argument is all hat and no cattle.

He was propping up her butt to comfort her as she lay dying. It was either that or call 911. Unfortunately, he hadn't rummaged through her purse yet to find her phones. Poor Rudy.

 

[acbytesla]

Because of a degree of implication, a degree of presence, a degree of crime-scene-association that is much lower for a person of low social self-confidence.
Guede would be/feel in a guilt position sooner, for example any amount of witnessing/presence would already throw suspicion on him.
Social self-confidence, not as a person's idiosyncrasy, but as a relationship into a human system/group.
He'd consider himself guilty (apologizing for existing as an unwanted exogenous citizen, a guest) at any degree of participation, his intrusion into the Perugian society was his first guilt, the rest followed.
Lumumba seems to have lived through a swat team assault at his place, with his kid and wife; a white Italian would have been arrested with courtesy, simply because being black and living all one's life on an ejection seat has such admitted downside but also the (perceived) advantage of an escape exit. In the case of RS, he can't go too far, "we know where you live, we know your family, and someone will have to pay the debt". Although some think RS should live a happy life in Argentina, instead of that Italian inferno antechamber. Raffaele Sollecito's sense of entitlement is extraordinaire, we saw him on Youtube ask kindly to the judges (in different terms) to let bygones be bygones and let him move on with his life.

Expelling Guede from the start from the defense process through a fast-track trial option, is common sense; he doesn't have means for a long distance defense, no strong negotiator/protector to team up with defense colleagues, no one teams up without guaranties and collaterals, also there probably was high hopes that he would jesus all the guilt on his shoulders.
If there is zero sense of social entitlement in RG, then he may have walked hand in hand with a prosecutor, thinking all the way, "maybe I'm not so guilty for this crime, but by this i pay/apologize for previous guilt".
Which brings us to the interesting, incongruous concept of Ataraxia that Rudy claims in front of judge Hellmann, so incongruous it must point to a monument within his psyche, meaning: in that storm i am at peace in my heart, i am self-justified. Guilt is only Rudy's social communication interface.
Guede's presence on the scene is accepted by all, i guess, but reading guilty actions into the traces he left is not obvious. Anyone who has done the rhetorical exercise of taking and debunking each evidence against Amanda and Raffaele can exonerate Guede before one's first coffee.

Boy, this is a stretch. Rudy in fact, has been given every opportunity. He is not the so called "drifter" but the adopted son of a prominent Perugian family. They are the ones that labeled Rudy a compulsive liar. And Rudy told his dumb story of being at the scene of the crime first to a friend and not a prosecutor or a police officer. And Rudy never ever confessed to the crime so he has never felt the need to pay for the crime. Rudy has always said he didn't do it. That first a stranger came into the cottage and killed Meredith while he was taking a dump not in Meredith's bathroom but Filomena's and Laura's. And Amanda and Raffaele weren't even there, Then the mystery person became persons and became Amanda and Meredith. And then his story morphed again and again and again.

At no time has Rudy admitted his role.

Please stop with the "poor Rudy bit" Rudy clearly killed Meredith and it is really nonsense to suggest otherwise.

 

[Desert Fox]

Boy, this is a stretch. Rudy in fact, has been given every opportunity. He is not the so called "drifter" but the adopted son of a prominent Perugian family. They are the ones that labeled Rudy a compulsive liar. And Rudy told his dumb story of being at the scene of the crime first to a friend and not a prosecutor or a police officer. And Rudy never ever confessed to the crime so he has never felt the need to pay for the crime. Rudy has always said he didn't do it. That first a stranger came into the cottage and killed Meredith while he was taking a dump not in Meredith's bathroom but Filomena's and Laura's. And Amanda and Raffaele weren't even there, Then the mystery person became persons and became Amanda and Meredith. And then his story morphed again and again and again.

At no time has Rudy admitted his role.

Please stop with the "poor Rudy bit" Rudy clearly killed Meredith and it is really nonsense to suggest otherwise.

Stories kind of like what Guede argues are common. . . .The sexual contact was consensual but somebody else killed the victim. Often they will fit that suspect to whomever the prosecutor wants targeted.

It will do no good at all in Italian court because it is all political but I still would like to see an attempt to stage what is suppose to have occurred in that bedroom (and its furniture) with four people in there. I suspect that they would be tripping over each other. While the injuries may be consistent with both one or multiple attackers, the crime scene is more consistent with one attacker.

 

[NancyS]

Because of a degree of implication, a degree of presence, a degree of crime-scene-association that is much lower for a person of low social self-confidence.
Guede would be/feel in a guilt position sooner, for example any amount of witnessing/presence would already throw suspicion on him.
Social self-confidence, not as a person's idiosyncrasy, but as a relationship into a human system/group.
He'd consider himself guilty (apologizing for existing as an unwanted exogenous citizen, a guest) at any degree of participation, his intrusion into the Perugian society was his first guilt, the rest followed.
Lumumba seems to have lived through a swat team assault at his place, with his kid and wife; a white Italian would have been arrested with courtesy, simply because being black and living all one's life on an ejection seat has such admitted downside but also the (perceived) advantage of an escape exit. In the case of RS, he can't go too far, "we know where you live, we know your family, and someone will have to pay the debt". Although some think RS should live a happy life in Argentina, instead of that Italian inferno antechamber. Raffaele Sollecito's sense of entitlement is extraordinaire, we saw him on Youtube ask kindly to the judges (in different terms) to let bygones be bygones and let him move on with his life.

Expelling Guede from the start from the defense process through a fast-track trial option, is common sense; he doesn't have means for a long distance defense, no strong negotiator/protector to team up with defense colleagues, no one teams up without guaranties and collaterals, also there probably was high hopes that he would jesus all the guilt on his shoulders.
If there is zero sense of social entitlement in RG, then he may have walked hand in hand with a prosecutor, thinking all the way, "maybe I'm not so guilty for this crime, but by this i pay/apologize for previous guilt".
Which brings us to the interesting, incongruous concept of Ataraxia that Rudy claims in front of judge Hellmann, so incongruous it must point to a monument within his psyche, meaning: in that storm i am at peace in my heart, i am self-justified. Guilt is only Rudy's social communication interface.
Guede's presence on the scene is accepted by all, i guess, but reading guilty actions into the traces he left is not obvious. Anyone who has done the rhetorical exercise of taking and debunking each evidence against Amanda and Raffaele can exonerate Guede before one's first coffee.

Part of what you say has some truth to it, Guede would likely have experienced prejudice every day and had no family or social support network. However, if AK/RS were also present at the murder, Guede would have been the perfect person to blame it all on. Why bother with a bizarre staging and half hearted clean-up, if all they really had to do is claim they came home and saw Guede running out of the house? He would have been their get out of jail free card. Even if they didn't say anything straight away, as soon as they felt under pressure from the police, they would have blamed it all on Guede. They did four years in prison rather than blame Guede - and if involved, they would never have known they would be so incredibly lucky to barely leave a trace of themselves at the murder scene and that by some miracle the wounds wouldn't match the knife and that their clothes and possessions were spotless. During this time, they would have been terrified of what the police would find and would have blamed it all on Guede in a heartbeat and claimed they were too terrified/traumatised to say anything earlier.

I also think nothing would have prevented Guede from openly and conclusively, blaming it all on the other two, if they had been involved - he might have experienced prejudice, but he was not utterly repressed. He would also have received support from the prosecution if he had been willing to testify against the other two. The reason he didn't, is most likely that the prosecution know he is a liability and that he is unable to give a consistent account of the murder, which also involves AK/RS

 

[acbytesla]

Stories kind of like what Guede argues are common. . . .The sexual contact was consensual but somebody else killed the victim. Often they will fit that suspect to whomever the prosecutor wants targeted.

There is no part of Rudy's stories that make sense are are even marginally backed up by anyone or any evidence. Keep in mind that Rudy was seen at the cottage almost a full hour before Meredith showed. (Why would he do that if he had agreed to meet Meredith at a specific time? None of Meredith's friends were aware that Meredith had a date. Rudy said he had made the date with Meredith at the Halloween party but no one saw the two of them together at this party for even a single minute so how is that possible?

Meredith had also been seeing Giacomo from downstairs and Rudy was a friend of Giacomo so why would Meredith do that to Giacomo or why would Rudy do that to his friend?

Why would Rudy use the other bathroom? The other bathroom is much closer to Meredith's bedroom.

There is NO justification for Rudy being at the cottage. At some point you have to say "bs" to Rudy's nonsensensical stories and come to the conclusion that Rudy is a liar and a killer.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

TJ Walker and body language

Here is a YouTube video link to some comments from TJ Walker about an interview of Amanda Knox. Not everyone seems to agree with Mr. Walker. Here is a comment from one Eric Paroissien: "The reason why lie detection techniques don't work is because she could very well be sincerely crying about her fear to go back to jail while asked if she feels for Meredith Kercher, associating those two spaces is a muscle training. A 9 year old could do that."

 

[kwill]

Not quoting that whole strange thing again, but this bit needs to be noticed:

Raffaele Sollecito's sense of entitlement is extraordinaire, we saw him on Youtube ask kindly to the judges (in different terms) to let bygones be bygones and let him move on with his life.

To state the obvious: Innocent people who have been unfairly imprisoned and subjected to years of negative press are entitled to move on with their lives.

The use of that word (entitlement) points toward the writer's class envy. Raffaele's personal wealth is the reason a lot of PGP despise him. The joy at seeing a rich Italian kid suffer is only matched by the joy at seeing a pretty American girl suffer.

For lessons in how sad and twisted the human psyche can get, you only have to go spend a little time at one of their sites.

 

[RWVBWL]

Steffi says on November 2 the blood wasn't there and the cat injured itself at some point between when they left on the 2nd and returned the next day. In other words they're completely stupid and not one of them realized saying "hey, this blood wasn't here yesterday".

Hi MichaelB, and everyone else,
The surf isn't as big as I'd hoped this morning here in Los Angeles, so I'm back online for awhile and I've wanted to chime in on this post of yours for a few days now.

Anyways,
I've been watching the Crime Scene videos that Methos linked awhile back, a lot lately.

So check this out, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong:
Crime Scene video Nov.2 2007 starts at 15:10:13.
It is filmed upstairs in the gals flat.

At about 16:28:14, the investigators are outside, heading downstairs.
At 16:28:42, Officer Zugarini starts to break+enter the downstairs flat by kicking in the kitchen door window. The video shows, at 16:40:40 a chair in the main bathroom, (which I recently posted a photo of) it has a bathtube and shower, but no shower curtain is seen. No blood drops are visible in this bathroom that I can see. The video shows the pot plants, and ends at 16:41:26, but does not show the living room with the tv and chair, the blood drops there, nor any of the boys bedrooms, nor other the bathroom with the blood in it.

At 18:37:40,
the camera operator heads back upstairs to Meredith's flat,
where they film until 19:29:58, give or take a few seconds.


Crime Scene video Nov. 3, 2007, Part 1 starts at 0:16:12 , Upstairs still.
At 2:24:51, early in the morning, we see the Bra Clasp, lying next to Meredith's bed -(I thought it was found underneath her pillow, which had been placed under her buttocks and naked genitalia?) I would think that the Bra Clasp, after being moved here, would have been tagged and bagged right then, after investigators video'd and photographed it, using a flash.

The scene ends,
nothing is shown for many hours,
I suppose the cops are done for the night, it appears, and take a break, get some sleep.

Crime Scene video Nov. 3, 2007 Part 1, restarts at 12:41:45
It's now the afternoon hours. They are still upstairs.
The video re-starts with an investigator cutting out some bloody fabric from the bedsheet covering Miss Kercher's mattress, right near where the Bra Clasp should be, below, on the floor. Over the next many minutes, I never see the Bra Clasp again, it seems to have disappeared, or maybe ILE does not want me to see it again, whereever it m ay be. This video ends at 14:21:56, with collection of blood samples near Crime Scene marker small L, near Meredith's sneaker. I still do not ever see the Bra Clasp again. Where is it?


Crime Scene Video Nov. 3, 2007, Part 2 starts at 16:26:59.
They are in Meredith and Amanda's shared bathroom. collecting evidence.
This clip ends at 18:17:26. It restarts heading downstairs, where it films all the boyz bedrooms, the living room, the kitchen, the laundry room and the pot plants. There is a lot to see and wonder about, like a possible shower curtain laying on the kitchen floor near the door....


Regarding the cats blood.

IF,
as Dr. Stefanoni stated the cat had not left any blood in the house when the investigators 1st broke in at 16:28 on Nov. 2. 2007, then that means that the blood seen at in the boyz downstairs flat was where they placed Crime Scene Markers on Nov. 2, 2007.

Surely Italian Forensic Police DID NOT place Crime Scene Markers at places where they saw blood downstairs, on the next day, on Nov. 3, 2007, right?

Crime Scene Blood Marker: #1+#2,
Time Stamp: 18:25:47
Blood drops and straight lines found on Stefano's bed and comforter.


Crime Scene Blood Marker: #3,
Time Stamp: 18:30:01
Found behind Meredith's boyfriend Giacomo's locked bedroom door, 1 bloody outline.
Found near 1 pair of sandals, another bloody outline on the floor.


Crime Scene Blood Marker: #4,
Time Stamp: 18:47:05
Blood found on some blue boxer briefs(?),
on the floor near the TV in the living room(?).


Crime Scene Blood Marker: #5,
Time Stamp: 18:47:16
many blood drops found on chair facing a small tv in the living room, with small markers D, E, F, G where the seat cushions would have been, if they had not been lifter upwards, stripped of their covering.


Crime Scene Blood Marker: #6,
Time Stamp: 18:48:42
Multiple dark red blood drops found in the bathroom,
you know, the last photo I posted, with all the small, med, + large drops of blood there.


Crime Scene Blood Marker: #7,
Time Stamp: 20:45:20
1 blood splatter drop, seen when coming out of 1st bedroom to right of tv,
near the blooded, blue brief shorts at Marker #4.
(Is that RG's bloody underwear???)



So none of these spots of blood,
(where the Crime Scene markers are),
could be from The Cat,
right?

 

[Diocletus]

Hi MichaelB, and everyone else,
The surf isn't as big as I'd hoped this morning here in Los Angeles, so I'm back online for awhile and I've wanted to chime in on this post of yours for a few days now.

Anyways,
I've been watching the Crime Scene videos that Methos linked awhile back, a lot lately.

So check this out, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong:
Crime Scene video Nov.2 2007 starts at 15:10:13.
It is filmed upstairs in the gals flat.

At about 16:28:14, the investigators are outside, heading downstairs.
At 16:28:42, Officer Zugarini starts to break+enter the downstairs flat by kicking in the kitchen door window. The video shows, at 16:40:40 a chair in the main bathroom, which has a bathtube and shower, but no shower curtain. No blood drops are visible in this bathroom that I can see. The video shows the pot plants, and ends at 16:41:26, but does not show the living room with the tv and chair, the blood drops there, nor any of the boys bedrooms, nor other the bathroom with the blood in it.

At 18:37:40,
the camera operator heads back upstairs to the Meredith's flat,
where they film until 19:29:58, give or take a few seconds.


Crime Scene video Nov. 3, 2007, Part 1 starts at 0:16:12 and runs until 2:24:51, Upstairs still. It ends filming the Bra Clasp, lying next to Meredith's bed -(I thought it was found underneath her pillow, which had been placed under her buttocks and naked genitalia?) I would think that the Bra Clasp, after being moved here, would have been tagged and bagged right then, after investigators video'd and photographed it, using a flash.

Crime Scene video Nov. 3, 2007 Part 1, restarts at 12:41:45.
It's now the afternoon hours.

The video re-starts with an investigator cutting out some bloody fabric from the bedsheet covering Miss Kercher's mattress, right near where the Bra Clasp should be. Over the next many minutes, I never see the Bra Clasp again, it seems to have disappeared, or maybe ILE does not want me to see it again, where ever it may be. This video ends at 14:21:56, with collection of blood samples near Crime Scene marker small L, near Meredith's sneaker. I still do not ever see the Bra Clasp again. Where is it?



Crime Scene Video Nov. 3, 2007, Part 2 starts at 16:26:59.
They are in Meredith and Amanda's shared bathroom. collecting evidence.
This clip ends at 18:17:26. It restarts heading downstairs, where it films all the boyz bedrooms, the living room, the kitchen, the laundry room and the pot plants. There is a lot to see and wonder about, like a possible shower curtain laying on the kitchen floor near the door....


Regarding the cats blood.
IF,
as Dr. Stefanoni stated the cat had not left any blood in the house when the investigators 1st broke in at 16:28 on Nov. 2. 2007, then that means that the blood seen at in the boyz downstairs flat was where they placed Crime Scene Markers was there on Nov. 2, 2007.

Surely Italian Forensic Police DID NOT place Crime Scene Markers at places they saw blood downstairs, the following day, on Nov. 3, 2007, right?

Crime Scene Blood Marker: #1+#2,
blood drops and straight lines found on Stefano's bed and comforter.

Crime Scene Blood Marker: #3,
found behind Meredith's boyfriend Giacomo's locked bedroom door, near sandals, 2 bloody outlines on the floor.

Crime Scene Blood Marker: #4,
bllod found on some blue boxer briefs(?), on the floor near the TV in the living room(?).

Crime Scene Blood Marker: #5,
found on chair facing a small tv in the living room, with small markers D, E, F, G where the seat cushions would have been, if they had not been lifter upwards, stripped of their covering.

Crime Scene Blood Marker: #6,
found in the bathroom, you know, the last photo I posted, with all the drops of blood there.
+
Crime Scene Blood Marker: #7,
1 blood splatter drop, seen when coming out of 1st bedroom to right of tv, near the blooded, blue brief shorts at Marker #4.
(Is that RG's bloody underwear???)


So none of these spots of blood,
where the Crime Scene markers are,
could be from The Cat,
right?

Could you post a pick of this bloody underwear? Never heard of this before.

 

[RWVBWL]

Could you post a pick of this bloody underwear? Never heard of this before.

Hi Diocletus,
Sure,
here you go:

Underwear.
Guys, we've all worn 'em, right?
I've worn tighty whitey's, and in colors too, before.
I've worn boxer briefs, in white and colors before.
And I've worn boxers also.

Pictured above, lying on the floor, are boxer briefs, in my humble opinion.
Note the length of the briefs + the different color elastic on the legs openings
There is a buncha blood, not just drops on them, seen above the year 2007, at Crime Scene Marker #4,
They were found on the floor in the living room, to the left of the tv when you sit in the chair, facing it.
Watch the video, it shows the blood better, or tilt your computer screen back+forth...

What do you think?
Blue boxer briefs?
Whose are they?



PS-I'm gonna re-edit my long post above this 1 right now,
and I'll add the time stamps on each of the Crime Scene Markers that I mentioned above,
anyone can then find the scenes quicker if you are so inclined to watch it...
RW

 

[kwill]

Not quoting that whole strange thing again, but this bit needs to be noticed:

Raffaele Sollecito's sense of entitlement is extraordinaire, we saw him on Youtube ask kindly to the judges (in different terms) to let bygones be bygones and let him move on with his life.

To state the obvious: Innocent people who have been unfairly imprisoned and subjected to years of negative press are entitled to move on with their lives.

The use of that word (entitlement) points toward the writer's class envy. Raffaele's personal wealth is the reason a lot of PGP despise him. The joy at seeing a rich Italian kid suffer is only matched by the joy at seeing a pretty American girl suffer.

For lessons in how sad and twisted the human psyche can get, you only have to go spend a little time at one of their sites.

 

[Diocletus]

Hi Diocletus,
Sure,
here you go:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=480&pictureid=9216[/qimg]

Underwear,
we've all worn 'em, right?
I've worn tighty whitey's, and in colors too before.
I've worn boxer briefs, in white and colors before.
And I've worn boxer also.

Those are boxer briefs, in my humble opinion.
Note the length of the briefs + the different color elastic on the legs openings
There is a buncha blood, not just drops on them, seen above the year 2007, at Crime Scene Marker #4,
They were found on the floor in the living room, to the left of the tv when you sit in the chair, facing it.
Watch the video, it shows the blood better, or tilt your computer screen back+forth...

What do you think?
Blue boxer briefs?


PS-I'm gonna re-editing my long post above right now,
and I'll add the time stamps on each of the Crime Scene Markers that I mentioned above,
anyone can then find the scenes quicker if you are so inclined to watch it...
RW

Stefanoni describes this as a blue pillowcase in her report, but I agree, it looks like boxer shorts. WTF.

ETA: Maybe it could be a pillowcase . . . not sure.

 

[RWVBWL]

Stefanoni describes this as a blue pillowcase in her report, but I agree, it looks like boxer shorts. WTF.

ETA: Maybe it could be a pillowcase . . . not sure.

Hi Diocletus,
Watch the video when you get a chance,
and also, let's try to compare the size of the clothing with the size of the CS Marker #4 near it...
Nov. 3, 2007 Part 2.
Time Stamp; 18:42:05

I think that they are boxer briefs,
the kinda that hug the male form better than regular, loose fitting boxers do.

Of course,
I could be wrong,
so any help tryin' to figure this out is always expected and needed!
See ya, RW

 

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Hey Diocletus,
At 18:46:41 of that same video,
I see what looks like a towel on the ground, some camoflauge pants, those boxer briefs and a shirt, all strewn. Your thoughts?

Does Dr. Stef say that all of these are pillow cases?
Or just CSM #4?


Gotta run,
I'll check back l8r.
Have a good one!
RW