Ebola in America

Regarding immunity once you have survived there was a story on MSNBC Friday about people in west Africa getting ebola twice during this current outbreak. One was a little girl named "Hope" IIRC.
 
A'isha said:
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You're totally right. That's so hypocritical of conservatives. Liberals would never do anything like that. Never. Never ever ever. I swear.

Too bad we didn't have competent leadership back in 2004. People like a certain senator who demanded that the government get its act together and address the problem with the seriousness it deserved. Man, I wish that guy were president today.
 
Belz... said:
What is the federal government not doing now that it should ?
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Hell if I know, they aren't telling us what they're doing. I only know what they didn't do that they should have, because the failures have become too obvious to deny. Like they should have told that nurse who treated Duncan that she shouldn't fly on a commercial airline when she was exhibiting symptoms. Or, before that, found out if that Dallas hospital knew what the **** they were even doing. Or before that, having the CDC actually focus on its core mission, instead of delving into side projects like lesbian obesity.
 
Ziggurat said:
You're totally right. That's so hypocritical of conservatives. Liberals would never do anything like that. Never. Never ever ever. I swear.

Too bad we didn't have competent leadership back in 2004. People like a certain senator who demanded that the government get its act together and address the problem with the seriousness it deserved. Man, I wish that guy were president today.
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Yeah, cause if that guy were President today, we wouldn't have thousands of new cases of Ebola every week. We'd have maybe two, total.


Now, in truth, I'm pretty sure Barack Obama has pretty much nothing to do with the current state of Ebola in America, but if he did have anything to do with it, we would have to slap him on the back for a great job.

How many people have caught Ebola in America and died? Zero. How many people have caught Ebola in America and gotten sick? Two.

If what you care about are results, and you think the President is responsible for the results, then there is no possible conclusion than that Barack Obama is doing fantastic....at least so far.
 
Ziggurat said:
Hell if I know, they aren't telling us what they're doing. I only know what they didn't do that they should have, because the failures have become too obvious to deny. Like they should have told that nurse who treated Duncan that she shouldn't fly on a commercial airline when she was exhibiting symptoms. Or, before that, found out if that Dallas hospital knew what the **** they were even doing. Or before that, having the CDC actually focus on its core mission, instead of delving into side projects like lesbian obesity.
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What, Obama should have called that nurse ?

Seems to me like, for someone who "hell if he knows", you know quite a bit.
 
It's almost as if conservatives want this Ebola issue to get worse for their own political gain. Maybe I am just jaded.

It seems to me that some mistakes were made on a local level that exposed how vulnerable our healthcare system was. It seems now they are learning from these mistakes and taking the steps needed to correct the errors. The cdc will be demonstrating new standards and procedures in New York today. Anyone who says the governemen isn't communicating on this issues is plugging their ears and hoping for the worst IMO.

i shouldn't be surprised that a public health care crisis is nothing but a political football to some.
 
Belz... said:
What, Obama should have called that nurse ?
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No, the CDC should have told her not to fly. The fact that they didn't is a major failure. But Obama isn't treating it like a major failure. He's treating it like a PR problem.

Seems to me like, for someone who "hell if he knows", you know quite a bit.
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Compared to you, that might be true.
 
Meadmaker said:
How many people have caught Ebola in America and died? Zero. How many people have caught Ebola in America and gotten sick? Two.

If what you care about are results, and you think the President is responsible for the results, then there is no possible conclusion than that Barack Obama is doing fantastic....at least so far.
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If you don't wear your seat belt but you don't get in an accident, was not wearing your seat belt the right decision?

If you do wear your seat belt and you get into an accident, was wearing your seat belt a mistake?

Your standards are... illogical.
 
Ziggurat said:
If you don't wear your seat belt but you don't get in an accident, was not wearing your seat belt the right decision?
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If you are not in your bomb shelter when the nuclear war breaks out, is it the right decision ? If you are in your shelter and the war doesn't happen today, is it a bad decision ?

You know what the difference is between car accidents and Ebola ? Incidence.
 
Ziggurat said:
No, the CDC should have told her not to fly. The fact that they didn't is a major failure.
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They did tell her not to fly. She flew anyway. Yes, she broke the rules. They had decided not to actually post guards to guarantee that the affected individuals actually followed the orders, and perhaps you consider that a bad decision, but they did tell her not to fly.
 
Belz... said:
Par for the course for the current CinC.
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And that is exactly the problem.

Belz... said:
If you are not in your bomb shelter when the nuclear war breaks out, is it the right decision ? If you are in your shelter and the war doesn't happen today, is it a bad decision ?
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Really, Belz, you can do better than that. Being in your bomb shelter prevents you from doing other necessary tasks, which is why you can't do that as a prophylactic measure. Putting on your seatbelt does not prevent you from doing other necessary tasks, which is why it's such a sensible prophylactic measure. Treating ebola like a serious problem doesn't prevent you from doing other necessary tasks. We should be taking more prophylactic measures to protect against it.

You know what the difference is between car accidents and Ebola ? Incidence.
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The rate of incidence is not relevant to the logic of my analogy.
 
Meadmaker said:
They did tell her not to fly.
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Not according to any of the reporting I've seen. Here's one example:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...mber-vinson-checked-cdc-flight-source-n226961

Before the Monday flight, Vinson, who had been self-monitoring and was reporting her temperature to epidemiology teams routinely, had called someone at the CDC to report that she had an elevated temperature of 99.5, the spokesperson said.

Vinson was then considered in the category of "uncertain risk", which is a lower level, because it was believed that she had all worn all the necessary personal protective equipment while treating Duncan. This even though fellow Dallas nurse Nina Pham had been diagnosed with Ebola on Saturday. Oct. 11.

When Vinson called in to the CDC, the staffer she talked with looked on the agency's website for guidance, the spokesperson said. The category for "uncertain risk" had guidance saying that a person could fly commercially if they did not meet the threshold of a temperature of 100.4.​

Where are you getting your information from? Your claim directly contradicts everything I've seen. The closest I've seen (from that same link) is this bit:

The head of the CDC, Tom Frieden, did not have all of these details when he briefed the press earlier Monday by phone. On that call he said "She should not have traveled on a commercial aircraft."​

He said she should not have traveled. He did not say she was told not to travel.
 
Ziggurat said:
Really, Belz, you can do better than that. Being in your bomb shelter prevents you from doing other necessary tasks
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Having your seatbelt on limits your mobility. Can we stop nitpicking, here ? The question here is about the likelihood of it happening. You are extremely unlikely to catch Ebola within the next year.

Putting on your seatbelt does not prevent you from doing other necessary tasks, which is why it's such a sensible prophylactic measure.
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No, it's a good measure because it prevents injury during accidents.

The rate of incidence is not relevant to the logic of my analogy.
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Of course it is. Otherwise we'd spend all our money on anti-meteor technologies.
 
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